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[CptSkull]

twincast wrote...

CptSkull wrote...

mllrthyme wrote...

Arttis wrote...

Would love bulge slider!

lol.  OMG I'm seriously having so much fun right now.

They have that feature in Saints Row 2, the problem was you could use it on a girl character.

You tellin' me you got sometin' against she-males, mistah?

No, but I think Eddie Murphy does.

[Azdeus]

Slightly related article on the subject. ( I think )

Thanks to WorstUsernameEver for the link, and apologies for not mentioning you earlier.

Modifié par Azdeus, 28 juillet 2010 - 08:55 .

[CptSkull]

Azdeus wrote...

Slightly related article on the subject. ( I think )

I was reading the comment section of that article and one guy said that he would like to "a ****ty guy" in a game. 

[Deviija]

Wynne wrote...
They don't have to be, but there's a reason they should be. 'Cause not everyone likes buff bodies. I know women who like the Seth Rogen/Jason Segel type; the cuddly pudgy teddy-bear guys, and I am a woman who doesn't mind buff, but prefers to date a guy who's somewhere between lean-muscled, average, and scrawny stick-man.

Oh no, I understand quite well.  Everyone likes different things.  My quibble was against 'mages must be skinny/lean,' as that seemed to be the direction of class-oriented body types.  I definitely would not want that at all, as those conventions are far too steeped in a rigid mentality of other fantasy books/games/PnP.  

However, if we are speaking about choice of body morphs for everyone, regardless of class, then I would be a great supporter of that.  Unfortunately, that seems to be an MMORPG customization icing on the cake rather than a convention for single-player RPGs like ME and DA.  Supposedly due to models, animations, and romance interaction.  Supposedly.  

So if we must have one standard body for our PCs, I'd just rather it be a fit and toned bodytype for ladies (and men).

Also, more games definitely need a bulge slider.  If there's a boob slider, then it is only fair.

[Saibh]

Azdeus wrote...

Slightly related article on the subject. ( I think )

I kinda don't agree with the girl on some things, and do on others...she's not a very good writer, though. Honestly, it seemed like she played Dragon Age through this "I'm offended at gender stereotypes" goggles. I disagree with her on a lot of points.

[AllThatJazz]

Interesting article, that. Thanks for posting. Not sure about the women in DA all looking like porn stars, though 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 28 juillet 2010 - 08:29 .

[Saibh]

Deviija wrote...

Also, more games definitely need a bulge slider.  If there's a boob slider, then it is only fair.

lol It's not even the same. Unless they're only wearing jeans that is...:innocent:

[Arttis]

Azdeus wrote...

Slightly related article on the subject. ( I think )

Sounds like its trying to stir up more female hate towards the current games and make people have bad info.You can tell from the comments the kind of effects this has.

[The Hardest Thing In The World]

All of the women in DA does indeed look like porn stars!

[mllrthyme]

Azdeus wrote...

Slightly related article on the subject. ( I think )

Thanks for the link.  I think the article had some valid points and concerns, but I don't agree with everything she wrote.

[Saibh]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

All of the women in DA does indeed look like porn stars!

Besides all having the same weird gravity-defying breasts, they all looked fine to me. They didn't have exactly average femShep-sized boobs, but they didn't look patently ridiculous. Morrigan's outfit made sense to me. She used her sexuality to her advantage, and lived in the Wilds all of her life with her mother. Probably not the most prudish environment you can grow up.

When done well, sexuality doesn't bother me at all. It's only when it's all over the place and without disgression or reason that it starts getting irritating.

[Arttis]

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

All of the women in DA does indeed look like porn stars!

Anyone can be a porn star.

[mllrthyme]

Saibh wrote...

The Hardest Thing In The World wrote...

All of the women in DA does indeed look like porn stars!

Besides all having the same weird gravity-defying breasts, they all looked fine to me. They didn't have exactly average femShep-sized boobs, but they didn't look patently ridiculous. Morrigan's outfit made sense to me. She used her sexuality to her advantage, and lived in the Wilds all of her life with her mother. Probably not the most prudish environment you can grow up.

When done well, sexuality doesn't bother me at all. It's only when it's all over the place and without disgression or reason that it starts getting irritating.

Agreed.  As for the gravity-defying breasts, I can' t help but remember Zevran and Wynn's conversation about her magical bosom.  Perhaps the writers were poking fun at the body models?

[Azdeus]

Saibh wrote...
I kinda don't agree with the girl on some things, and do on others...she's not a very good writer, though. Honestly, it seemed like she played Dragon Age through this "I'm offended at gender stereotypes" goggles. I disagree with her on a lot of points.

She has a few points, I agree, and she probably had preconceptions about the game when going into it, I can't say. She claims to be a professional writer though. *Shrug*

AllThatJazz wrote...
Interesting article, that. Thanks for posting. Not sure about the women in DA all looking like porn stars, though [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

No problem, forgot to give props to WorstUsernameEver for pointing me to it. Need less beer. >-<

She does go into hyperbole about their Pornstar bodies though, but Wynne would be an example where she has a point on that matter. Her body is'nt really believable with concideration to her apparent age and, well, breastsize.

Saibh wrote...

Besides
all having the same weird gravity-defying breasts, they all looked fine
to me. They didn't have exactly average femShep-sized boobs, but they
didn't look patently ridiculous. Morrigan's outfit made sense to me. She
used her sexuality to her advantage, and lived in the Wilds all of her
life with her mother. Probably not the most prudish environment you can
grow up.

When done well, sexuality doesn't bother me at all. It's
only when it's all over the place and without disgression or reason
that it starts getting irritating.

While on that point, I bet she would be pretty cold during winter out in those woods.

I don't really mind your reasoning, but at the same time - living in the woods she does'nt really have any use of her sexuality really. She can flash her boobies at that apple in the tree all day, but it's not going to fall down into her lap as hard as she might try. *Grins*

[Saibh]

Azdeus wrote...

While on that point, I bet she would be pretty cold during winter out in those woods.

I don't really mind your reasoning, but at the same time - living in the woods she does'nt really have any use of her sexuality really. She can flash her boobies at that apple in the tree all day, but it's not going to fall down into her lap as hard as she might try. *Grins*

The two were unrelated, but I didn't seperate them when I spoke. I think of it like this:

1) When meeting with humans (and its hard to tell how often she does this), it makes sense to dress the way she does. She cites one particular instance of using feminine wiles to escape danger. Besides that, she might not really care who sees her side boob. She only ever dealt with men who lusted after her and her mother.
2) Morrigan might not have access to regular people clothes. I think she mentions this at one point, in fact. What she has was simply stitched together from scraps and bird feathers.
3) People who grow up in the cold are more used to it than others (I know, that's obvious). Winter hadn't really begun by the time you meet her, but its possible she wears clothes similar to her Sacred Ashes counterpart when she has to. But then, she doesn't seem to mind the cold of the Frostback Mountains either. So maybe not. Maybe she has a general warmth spell.

All-in-all, my point was is that the way Morrigan dresses doesn't bother me a bit. It makes sense according to her character. She's not a warrior, she's a mage. It's only when chainkini comes into play that I start losing respect for the game.

[Games4ever]

I just hope the females have a bit more sexy Amur than in the first game..

what more can a man ask for?

[Azdeus]

Saibh wrote...

The two were unrelated, but I didn't seperate them when I spoke. I think of it like this:

1) When
meeting with humans (and its hard to tell how often she does this), it
makes sense to dress the way she does. She cites one particular instance
of using feminine wiles to escape danger. Besides that, she might not
really care who sees her side boob. She only ever dealt with men who lusted after her and her mother.
2)
Morrigan might not have access to regular people clothes. I think she
mentions this at one point, in fact. What she has was simply stitched
together from scraps and bird feathers.
3) People who grow up in the
cold are more used to it than others (I know, that's obvious). Winter
hadn't really begun by the time you meet her, but its possible she wears
clothes similar to her Sacred Ashes counterpart when she has to. But
then, she doesn't seem to mind the cold of the Frostback Mountains
either. So maybe not. Maybe she has a general warmth spell.

All-in-all,
my point was is that the way Morrigan dresses doesn't bother me a bit.
It makes sense according to her character. She's not a warrior, she's a
mage. It's only when chainkini comes into play that I start losing
respect for the game.

The "*Grins*" signified I was trying to make a joke though aswell as the smiley.

Modifié par Azdeus, 28 juillet 2010 - 09:21 .

[Merllle]

I do quite agree on the body customizing for both males and females - one of the problems in DA:O, besides the already discussed proportions, was that everyone's bodies looked the same. Leliana and Wynne. Alistair and Loghain. A tool to personally customize proportions would certainly be a great asset to the sequel! But if I am not mistaken, the same happened with Mass Effect, was it not? Although, the variety of species allowed some concealment of the fact. In Dragon Age you have three races and the fact that everyone's bodies is exactly the same ends up taking a little bit of credibility from such an already well constructed world.

[DaringMoosejaw]

Saibh wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Saibh wrote...

MistySun wrote...

Wouldn't it be better to have an option in Character Creation to change the size of the breasts to how big or small you want them ? (females of course)

Edit: I just realised what i just said...of course that only applies to the you not the NPC's.

Well it's early here for me...i'm not quite awake.

You know, I think the first game worked perfectly well without boob implants. I think it worked perfectly well without trampy armor. I'd prefer for it to stay without. Jiggle physics, breast enlargement, hip...rounding: to me, it'd just feel like an attempt to "sex up" the game when it doesn't (and never did) need it.

It's not offending anybody to leave it out, but it would offend some people to put it in. And, while I understand some people would use the sliders to make petite frames for mages, or stronger frames for warriors, most would use it as free boob enhancement surgery. Which is utterly unnecessary and contributes nothing to the game except pleasing Male Gaze, while simultaneously taking zots away from things I actually care about.

Heaven forbid people use a game feature to have fun, even if it's a fun you don't like. And fun I'd rather them have by themselves nowhere near me, but fun none-the-less.

As for OFFENDING people, anyone who'd get offended at a video game they don't need to buy and aren't being forced to play should probably mind their own business.

Heaven forbid time and money get taken away from story and characters and dialogue, so people can stare at some big, pixel breasts. Again, you lose nothing by having it not in there.

Real breasts have caused a far greater loss of time and money than pixelated breasts, of that I can assure you. I don't think, if they're going to introduce some sort of a slider system anyway, adding a few more variables is going to take too much time away from the rest. Why would they have the same guy working on story working on breasts? If they do, this man is a genius.

Whatever the case, I don't see them saying, "Oh, we were going to make the story way better, but we spent all this time on breast sliders. So very sorry."

[Tsuga C]

Deviija wrote...
If there's a boob slider, then it is only fair.

What games have had a "boob slider"?  Is this the standard we now hope BioWare will slouch towards? 

[NugWrangler]

So many boob posts! I'm amazed this thread hasn't been shut down.



Women having their own models is good enough for me. I'm sure they will get it right this time. Having body shape sliders and whatnot seems pointless since once you put on most armor or robes everyone looks roughly the same. I would much rather have a way to customize my equipment than my character's body.

[Merllle]

Tsuga C wrote...

Deviija wrote...
If there's a boob slider, then it is only fair.

What games have had a "boob slider"?  Is this the standard we now hope BioWare will slouch towards? 

Boob... Slider...? Maker, no no no noooo!! There's a huge difference between a boob slider and a proper body proportions slider. Of course it should include breast size, but not as the sole modifiable characteristic. We're talking Dragon Age, not Dead or Alive Extreme Beach Volleyball! D:

There is a recent Japanese RPG, White Knight Chronicles, by Level 5, in which you create your own playable avatar. The customization is truly impressive and it goes to the smallest imaginable detail. Maybe BioWare should turn a little to what other games are doing in terms of character customization, for, in my opinion, it had always been a weak spot in their games. Same for clothing, but that belongs to another discussion entirely. We want preetier characters, BioWare, make us fabulous!!

[Saibh]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Real breasts have caused a far greater loss of time and money than pixelated breasts, of that I can assure you. I don't think, if they're going to introduce some sort of a slider system anyway, adding a few more variables is going to take too much time away from the rest. Why would they have the same guy working on story working on breasts? If they do, this man is a genius.

Whatever the case, I don't see them saying, "Oh, we were going to make the story way better, but we spent all this time on breast sliders. So very sorry."

Someone else described it eloquently, but I'll say it fast: money, resources, and zots all go into making any aspect of the game. If these things are put into a different, new aspect--like a breast slider or body slider--than it ultimately takes away from another aspect which might be more important or enjoyable.

Modifié par Saibh, 28 juillet 2010 - 10:01 .

[CptSkull]

From what I read on this Thread, most people want character bodies that look and act like the age and gender of that character.



Correct me if I am wrong.

[Ziggy]

Azdeus wrote...
Slightly related article on the subject. ( I think )

She makes lots of good points but substitute mass effect 2 for dragon age in that article and I think it would be much more obvious... I really felt like bioware wasn't expecting me to buy that game.