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[REShepard]

 I'm about a third of the way through Mass Effect: Retribution and it seems like some of our choices in Mass Effect, once again, don't matter.  Captain Anderson is referred to as Admiral Anderson and Ambassador Udina is referred to as Councillor Udina.  So about that whole "There is no canon version of Mass Effect" thing...

[Fiery Phoenix]

[BlackyBlack]

Anderson is an Admiral no matter what. Perhaps, Adina is councilor only in his absence

[Matdeception]

This is a rather ridiculous topic. Given what choices effect ME2, and the various playstyles of the people who play, they can't create a comic that will reflect all their players choices. If they did that, we'll be dealing with a thousand different Redemption comics, like "Redemption; I nuked Ashley and Wrex ate a bullet on Virmire' to 'Redemption, Council sux, but I wanted to do the Asari counciler so I let em live. Also, kaidan ate a nuke.'



You can't expect your choice to effect the mass marketing of the game and it's various outlets. It's not cannon as far as your story is concerned. It's not cannon as far as my story is concerned, but it is what the developers believed would have happened if we, the players and our myriad view points and beliefs were not an issue.



They really should just retract that whole "There is no cannon version of Mass Effect" statement. It spawns these kinds of some what justified complaints.

[REShepard]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Anderson is an Admiral no matter what. Perhaps, Adina is councilor only in his absence

Just so we're clear, all this information is coming from Aria, and we all know about her one rule, so lets not try and break it by tip-toeing around the evidence.

[Naltair]

It's a book doing the best it can.

[REShepard]

Matdeception wrote...

This is a rather ridiculous topic. Given what choices effect ME2, and the various playstyles of the people who play, they can't create a comic that will reflect all their players choices. If they did that, we'll be dealing with a thousand different Redemption comics, like "Redemption; I nuked Ashley and Wrex ate a bullet on Virmire' to 'Redemption, Council sux, but I wanted to do the Asari counciler so I let em live. Also, kaidan ate a nuke.'

You can't expect your choice to effect the mass marketing of the game and it's various outlets. It's not cannon as far as your story is concerned. It's not cannon as far as my story is concerned, but it is what the developers believed would have happened if we, the players and our myriad view points and beliefs were not an issue.

They really should just retract that whole "There is no cannon version of Mass Effect" statement. It spawns these kinds of some what justified complaints.

They had done a great job so far trying to keep the mass marketing material such as the books and comics as neutral as possible never really commenting on what choices you made in game.  And at first mention of Admiral Anderson in the book, I assumed we would be alright because Mr. Karpyshyn even went on to explain that even though Anderson was in still in the military he was now more involved with the political workings on the Citadel.  The problem came in when they actually decided to use the word Councillor.  They could have gotten away with not revealing Shepard choice...

[Matdeception]

REShepard wrote...

Matdeception wrote...

This is a rather ridiculous topic. Given what choices effect ME2, and the various playstyles of the people who play, they can't create a comic that will reflect all their players choices. If they did that, we'll be dealing with a thousand different Redemption comics, like "Redemption; I nuked Ashley and Wrex ate a bullet on Virmire' to 'Redemption, Council sux, but I wanted to do the Asari counciler so I let em live. Also, kaidan ate a nuke.'

You can't expect your choice to effect the mass marketing of the game and it's various outlets. It's not cannon as far as your story is concerned. It's not cannon as far as my story is concerned, but it is what the developers believed would have happened if we, the players and our myriad view points and beliefs were not an issue.

They really should just retract that whole "There is no cannon version of Mass Effect" statement. It spawns these kinds of some what justified complaints.

They had done a great job so far trying to keep the mass marketing material such as the books and comics as neutral as possible never really commenting on what choices you made in game.  And at first mention of Admiral Anderson in the book, I assumed we would be alright because Mr. Karpyshyn even went on to explain that even though Anderson was in still in the military he was now more involved with the political workings on the Citadel.  The problem came in when they actually decided to use the word Councillor.  They could have gotten away with not revealing Shepard choice...

Provided they used that word (I refuse to dig up the comics and check), then I'll have to ultimately agree there. But surely you can see the stupidity of it. As things stands, using the word 'Counciler' seems to be taboo, I wonder what word will be next?

"HAI GUYS! I'M A COLLECTER OF FINE WINES..." splat!

Shepard, in their cool armor that doesn't quite reveal if he is a he, or if she is a she, snorts through an audio box that likewise conceals his.. her... it's true identity. "NO COLLECTOR FOR YOU! ONE YEAR!" as it holsters his weapon of indisernable shape, before leaning over and slapping their non-descript but very real love interest on the rump. "Let's go, you sexy thing you!"

[Naltair]

I think this isn't a big deal.

[KainrycKarr]

It's not a big deal, don't be a baby. Those are pretty minor details, at best, and we all knew they were trying to expand the franchise. They HAVE to cut a corner or two eventually. Deal with it.

[REShepard]

@ Naltair

I don't think it's that big a deal either, I mean I'm not going to stop playing the Mass Effect games simply because my choices aren't the "real" choices now. But I was just disappointed because every comic and book up until this point kept the choices that we made vague so that everyone's story of Shepard could fit in to the stories.



@MatDeception

While your taboo example is quite humorous it really doesn't help your argument. I mean, there is a very good reason that the title "Councillor" is considered taboo, it breaks one of the biggest decisions you make at the end of Mass Effect. It'd be the same if Tali was referred to as Tali vas Normandy or Tali vas Neema in a future book or comic. The fact is that they could have easily kept it vague by not using the title Councillor and just implied that both Udina and Anderson were heavily involved in political dealings on the Citadel.

[Graz73]

REShepard wrote...
@MatDeception
While your taboo example is quite humorous it really doesn't help your argument. I mean, there is a very good reason that the title "Councillor" is considered taboo, it breaks one of the biggest decisions you make at the end of Mass Effect. It'd be the same if Tali was referred to as Tali vas Normandy or Tali vas Neema in a future book or comic. The fact is that they could have easily kept it vague by not using the title Councillor and just implied that both Udina and Anderson were heavily involved in political dealings on the Citadel.

I get your point, but I think they are going to have to make some choices and just go with it.  Otherwise they are going to always have to do stories relegated to the fringes of the universe for fear that they might contradict someone's game.

I mean...  Should they avoid ever includingTali or Garrus because they MIGHT have died during the Suicide mission?  Those are two of the most popular characters.

[Fiery Phoenix]

BlackyBlack wrote...

Anderson is an Admiral no matter what. Perhaps, Adina is councilor only in his absence

I think I'll just follow your reasoning while reading the book.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Really? That's somewhat disappointing given how Ascension and Redemption apparently avoided having to establish a canon. I wonder if this will be clarified in the near future, hopefully through a rewrite or something. I don't want this to mean that Udina becomes Councilor after Anderson steps down or something.

Edit: Then again, stepping down to become Admiral so that he can back Shepard when the time comes does sound like Anderson.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 27 juillet 2010 - 05:28 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

It lets you into the inner workings of the Illusive Man's mind. And you care about who is called Councilor? ...it doesn't matter to me, really. I just want to know what the hell goes on in TIM's head.

[Dave of Canada]

I'm just reading it like if it was Default ME2 Shep.

[DOYOURLABS]

I just got to that part too, it threw me off. Also, the turian councilor is different, so it's following the "council dies" storyline.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'm just reading it like if it was Default ME2 Shep.

More or less my thoughts. I haven't read the book yet, but that's my conclusion from what everyone is saying.

[mosor]

They had to chose eventually. Might as well been the default stuff. Besides, the game is your universe, you make it as you see fit if you don't like the choices the book took. Not many people complain when they play a game set in real history and decide they want to try changing things when playing it.

[Naltair]

Yeah if anything this is just one version of events and the really important stuff I thought was TIM, Grayson getting implanted with Reaper Tech, and the resolution.

[Fiannawolf]

I imagine Anderson still has a commission with Alliance Command even if he's on the Council. If I remember correctly he even mentions Udina is his assistant if Anderson has the role. Im only a few chapters in though so I havent seen anything that contradicts my playthru at all.

[BatarianBob]

REShepard wrote...

So about that whole "There is no canon version of Mass Effect" thing...

What about it?  The games are played by millions.  The books are read by dozens.  Why should the books trump the games?

Modifié par Taranatar9, 27 juillet 2010 - 07:13 .

[REShepard]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

I just got to that part too, it threw me off. Also, the turian councilor is different, so it's following the "council dies" storyline.

The Turian Councilor isn't different, the Turian Councilor isn't even mentioned in the book, At least not so far as I've read.  You're getting Ambassador Oriana confused with the Turian Councilor, hence why titles are in fact important.

Taranatar9 wrote...

REShepard wrote...

So about that whole "There is no canon version of Mass Effect" thing...

What about it?  The games are played by millions.  The books are read by dozens.  Why should the books trump the games?

I'm going to go with..because the books are written by the lead writer of the games?  What is and isn't considered canon is not decided by the amount of viewers or players, its not a democracy.  It's decided by the owners of the brand or universe which in this case is BioWare.  But it seems that they've chosen to go that route.

Modifié par REShepard, 27 juillet 2010 - 08:02 .

[Rivercurse]

Enjoy the games for what they are, and enjoy the books for what they are.

There was always a canon Shepard.  he's male, his name's John, and he looks like mark Vanderloo.
Some decisions were canonized aswell, they had to be, for players who didn't join the ride until ME2.

It's really not a big deal.