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I am so not going to be butthurt about this. Kinda pointless.
Mass Effect: Retribution makes choices canon?
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:40
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It's establishing canon. If Bioware writes this in to ME3 as canon, thus disregarding the player's choices, it's the writers telling the individual player, "Here, you did this wrong. Let me fix it." It detracts from the RPG elements of the game. It turns the game in to an on-rails experience. Whereas the game's critics once pointed out the failure to incorporate the player's choices in a meaningful way, the criticism has been turned around, and proven - now not only do your choices not matter, you will make choices as the writers see fit.
I'm very disappointed. Didn't Bioware criticize JRPGs for being an on-rails experience? Woops!
I'm very disappointed. Didn't Bioware criticize JRPGs for being an on-rails experience? Woops!
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:44
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There is no canon sheploo 
Default doesnt mean OFFICAL CANON. So far Im liking Retribution. I cant wait to Paragon Falcon Punch TIM though.
Default doesnt mean OFFICAL CANON. So far Im liking Retribution. I cant wait to Paragon Falcon Punch TIM though.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:45
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Fiannawolf wrote...
There is no canon sheploo
You quite sure default doesn't equal canon?
How are they different?
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:48
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Default is just a preset, for both Male and Female shep, with standard choices and such. Like a quick start option for players that just want to jump in. To me Defualt John/Jane Shepard arent canon, just pre fab characters.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:51
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Fiannawolf wrote...
Default is just a preset, for both Male and Female shep, with standard choices and such. Like a quick start option for players that just want to jump in. To me Defualt John/Jane Shepard arent canon, just pre fab characters.
If the decision of people who chose to save the Council in ME3 are not represented, that would constitute establishing canon.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:52
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It sounds like default Shepard preserved the base.
I've noticed the way the Reaper talked and how Kahlee described the way it talked. It sound like it was desperate in trying to describe why the Reapers do what they do, but couldn't with a limited vocabulary. Maybe there is more going on with the Reapers than we know.
I've noticed the way the Reaper talked and how Kahlee described the way it talked. It sound like it was desperate in trying to describe why the Reapers do what they do, but couldn't with a limited vocabulary. Maybe there is more going on with the Reapers than we know.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:56
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yorkj86 wrote...
Fiannawolf wrote...
Default is just a preset, for both Male and Female shep, with standard choices and such. Like a quick start option for players that just want to jump in. To me Defualt John/Jane Shepard arent canon, just pre fab characters.
If the decision of people who chose to save the Council in ME3 are not represented, that would constitute establishing canon.
Yeah this is exaclty my point. default, or standard = canon.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 08:58
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Heres a thought for Bioware if they decided to write future books. Lets just keep all the characters from the games out of the damn books period. You can mention them, but just keep them out. This way you don't have to worry about fans or people getting the whole choice thing together mixed up. This way everyones happy.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:02
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Tooneyman wrote...
Heres a thought for Bioware if they decided to write future books. Lets just keep all the characters from the games out of the damn books period. You can mention them, but just keep them out. This way you don't have to worry about fans or people getting the whole choice thing together mixed up. This way everyones happy.
These books should be EU, nothing more. Bioware has potentially misstepped.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:03
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Rivercurse wrote...
yorkj86 wrote...
Fiannawolf wrote...
Default is just a preset, for both Male and Female shep, with standard choices and such. Like a quick start option for players that just want to jump in. To me Defualt John/Jane Shepard arent canon, just pre fab characters.
If the decision of people who chose to save the Council in ME3 are not represented, that would constitute establishing canon.
Yeah this is exaclty my point. default, or standard = canon.
And that is my outrage.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:06
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And for me Default/Standard/Stock pre fab choices = Default, not canon
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:09
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Since Retribution happens AFTER ME2 maybe Anderson decided to quit his job as a councilor and won't be the councilor in ME3 no matter what you chose
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:12
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True, Drew did say it takes place after the end of ME2.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:14
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Fiannawolf wrote...
And for me Default/Standard/Stock pre fab choices = Default, not canon
Default = Bioware's idea of what choices were made
Bioware's idea of what choices were made = Canon
I don't understand why this matters so much to people. It doesn't effect your own enjoyment of the games does it?? If it's not the choice that YOUR shepard made, so what?
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:14
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boo hoo they said my game is wrong....wow you people **** over some seriously trivial stuff here
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:20
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Rivercurse wrote...
Default = Bioware's idea of what choices were made
Bioware's idea of what choices were made = Canon
Default = what BioWare thinks is easiest to "understand" for the newbs. That's not a canon, nor does it imply that BioWare thinks these are the decisions Shepard would have made.
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:21
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Wait, did it say that Anderson is Udinas assistant, or just that Udina is councillor?
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:21
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My only problem is that the books doesn't need to establish that Udina is councilor, but it does anyways.
Not hard to just ignore it and imagine it said "She recognized Anderson's name. He was a human on the Citadel Council."
Not hard to just ignore it and imagine it said "She recognized Anderson's name. He was a human on the Citadel Council."
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:22
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InHarmsWay wrote...
It sounds like default Shepard preserved the base.
I've noticed the way the Reaper talked and how Kahlee described the way it talked. It sound like it was desperate in trying to describe why the Reapers do what they do, but couldn't with a limited vocabulary. Maybe there is more going on with the Reapers than we know.
Wait, what? That wouldn't make any sense. To quote what I said in another topic:
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So far the rule [for default Shepard] seems to be to have as few references/plot hooks to earlier events as possible, which means that everyone who can die has died and everything that could have been destroyed was. Ergo, the Collector Base has to be destroyed, as TIM saying "Hey there new guy, remember that base you gave us a few years ago?" would not work.
I wonder what they're trying to do, though. Write different books for different Mass Effect multiverses? Will the next book by that Dietz fellow feature Grayson in a world where Shepard chose Anderson and destroyed the base?
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:24
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wait, what's the fuzz is all about? had anyone actually give some quotes?
so far it seems like raging out of one misplaced word 'councilor'
so far it seems like raging out of one misplaced word 'councilor'
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:25
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mashavasilec wrote...
wait, what's the fuzz is all about? had anyone actually give some quotes?
so far it seems like raging out of one misplaced word 'councilor'
The exact line is "She recognized Anderson's name: he was an advisor to Councilor Donnel Udina."
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:26
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Wrong, the Default Shepard is meant for players that never played the previous game, so it removes most characters since new players don't really know them: no side quests, no romance, everybody that can be killed is dead etc.Rivercurse wrote...
Default = Bioware's idea of what choices were made
Bioware's idea of what choices were made = Canon
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Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:26
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IrishSpectre257 wrote...
mashavasilec wrote...
wait, what's the fuzz is all about? had anyone actually give some quotes?
so far it seems like raging out of one misplaced word 'councilor'
The exact line is "She recognized Anderson's name: he was an advisor to Councilor Donnel Udina."
ouch
#50
Posté 27 juillet 2010 - 09:30
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For those who chose Udina, you're lucky.
For those who chose Anderson, let us pretend that he gave his position to Udina, as he in the game expressed that he didn't like his position as councilor. Do that work?
For those who chose Anderson, let us pretend that he gave his position to Udina, as he in the game expressed that he didn't like his position as councilor. Do that work?
