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[nokori3byo]

Dollars to donuts Anderson's status at the end of Retribution will be reflected in ME3.

[Dave of Canada]

nokori3byo wrote...

Dollars to donuts Anderson's status at the end of Retribution will be reflected in ME3.

He gets thrown around the station by a biotic teenager?

[didymos1120]

Taranatar9 wrote...

If they wanted to enforce an Udina as councillor outcome, they already passed on a perfectly good and logical way to do it.

"We appreciate your recommendation, Shepard, but the voters of the Alliance decided otherwise. Like it or not, that's how the system works, right?"

That's why I'd bet good money that when it comes to ME3 it'll be Retribution, not ME2, that gets disregarded.

To have taken that opportunity, they'd have had to have Udina in mind all along.  The fact they even offered the choice is fairly conclusive evidence that they didn't.  And since it was offered, they had to show Anderson as Councilor in ME2, even if they'd already decided that Udina would ultimately end up as Councilor in ME3.  Well, they didn't have to, but imagine how p!ssed people would have been if they hadn't.

Of course, you may be right: they might well disregard Retribution.  I wouldn't count on it though.  They've disregarded certain fairly minor details of the novels (moreso Revelations: for instance,  the Volus don't wear exosuits in that novel), but they've yet to significantly contradict them.  Changing events so that Anderson resigns as Councilor to go off with Kahlee counts as pretty significant in my book.  Making it so he doesn't leave at all counts too.  The only other option is to more or less ignore the book entirely, because Anderson just plain can't be exicised from the plot of Retribution without completely breaking it.

[REShepard]

Dave of Canada wrote...

nokori3byo wrote...

Dollars to donuts Anderson's status at the end of Retribution will be reflected in ME3.

He gets thrown around the station by a biotic teenager?

That actually never happens...

[didymos1120]

nokori3byo wrote...
 Practically speaking, you select the Councillor on the shuttle leaving the Cerberus Station during Jacob and Miranda's little questionaire.  How's that for retconning?

Only if you imported.  For default Shep, that choice isn't offered.  Also, they had to do that because the special save created for importing doesn't record who you chose.  Thus, they disguise it as a "test of memory"

[Dave of Canada]

REShepard wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

nokori3byo wrote...

Dollars to donuts Anderson's status at the end of Retribution will be reflected in ME3.

He gets thrown around the station by a biotic teenager?

That actually never happens...

It did, during the epilogue when we cut away from Anderson he was being thrown around the station.

[Fiery Phoenix]

All I can say is, the default Shepard seems to have taken the cake. Brutally so!

[Kaiser Shepard]

nokori3byo wrote...

Dollars to donuts Anderson's status at the end of Retribution will be reflected in ME3.

Hmm, if that will indeed be so, then the real purpose of putting him on the Council - from a metagaming perspective - was to grant Shepard another shot at regaining Spectre status should the original Council have died, right?

[jmood88]

It's hilarious how people who either haven't read the book or have no idea how to follow what they read whine about choices being overruled. None of your choices were changed, Anderson resigned his post during the story and at the end he was going back to the Citadel to show the Alliance and the Council Grayson's body and allow them to experiment with Reaper technology. Nothing that happened in the book would keep Anderson from being the Councilor if you picked him, with the amount of evidence and useful technology that he is bringing with him, he can still get his job back.

[jmood88]

Dave of Canada wrote...

REShepard wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

nokori3byo wrote...

Dollars to donuts Anderson's status at the end of Retribution will be reflected in ME3.

He gets thrown around the station by a biotic teenager?

That actually never happens...

It did, during the epilogue when we cut away from Anderson he was being thrown around the station.

He got thrown around by Grayson. Nick only used his powers once, on Grayson and Kahlee, and got shot immediately after.

[Dave of Canada]

jmood88 wrote...

It's hilarious how people who either haven't read the book or have no idea how to follow what they read whine about choices being overruled. None of your choices were changed, Anderson resigned his post during the story and at the end he was going back to the Citadel to show the Alliance and the Council Grayson's body and allow them to experiment with Reaper technology. Nothing that happened in the book would keep Anderson from being the Councilor if you picked him, with the amount of evidence and useful technology that he is bringing with him, he can still get his job back.

Except near the start of the story they outright called Udina the Councilor and said that Anderson was his assistant.

Meaning the only thing that Anderson DID resign out of was Udina's assistant.

[Itkovian]

I actually think that the whole "Councilor Udina" thing is an error. Drew is very careful for the longest time NOT to nail down what position Anderson actually holds (when it would have been much easier to just come out and say it), and then in a single sentence mentions Udina as councilor.

So, yeah, I'm thinking it's just a mistake that was missed in editing. Those things happen.

That said, it's clear that the novel is removing certain choices from the equation for ME3 (simplifying things).

Itkovian

[didymos1120]

jmood88 wrote...

It's hilarious how people who either haven't read the book or have no idea how to follow what they read whine about choices being overruled. None of your choices were changed, Anderson resigned his post during the story and at the end he was going back to the Citadel to show the Alliance and the Council Grayson's body and allow them to experiment with Reaper technology. Nothing that happened in the book would keep Anderson from being the Councilor if you picked him, with the amount of evidence and useful technology that he is bringing with him, he can still get his job back.

What the hell are you talking about?  He resigned from being Councilor Donnel Udina's advisor.  Now, this doesn't mean he couldn't have previously been Councilor and been ousted for political reasons, but it damn well does override the player's decision to put him on the Council.  I don't particularly have a problem with that, if it's explained well, but don't pretend it doesn't overrule anything.  Just because he could hypothetically end up as Councilor as a result of the novel doesn't change that.  That notional outcome would be more or less totally unrelated to the player's choice at the end of ME1.  At best, it would just be arbitrarily restricted to Anderson-choosers.  At worst, it would overrule those who picked Udina in the first place.

[Shwiggliness]

I havven't had a chance yet to read Retribution, but from what I hear, sounds like

If we picked Anderson;

He stepped down, he never enjoyed it anyway



If we picked Udina;

Nothing has changed.

[IrishSpectre257]

Regardless of who you picked, it doesn't matter now. Anderson resigned. Udina will be the Councilor in everyone's ME3. The book isn't going to be something that only happened if you picked Udina.



I still have no idea why Drew decided to specify that Udina was the Councilor though, since there was no real reason for it, but it's not something I can't ignore and forget.

[BlackyBlack]

Anderson probably resigned during the events between ME2 and Retribution

[didymos1120]

IrishSpectre257 wrote...
I still have no idea why Drew decided to specify that Udina was the Councilor though, since there was no real reason for it, but it's not something I can't ignore and forget.

I can think of one rather obvious one: to free him up for a more active role in ME3 that wouldn't make sense if he were still on the Council.  I'm not saying he'll be a squadmate.  I highly doubt that's going to happen, but it seemed pretty clear they were setting things up so that he'll be much more intimately involved in the plot of the next game.  The epilogue isn't exactly subtle about it:

"He knew enough about Admiral David Anderson to know he wasn't going to ignore this. Finally, someone other than Cerberus was going to start doing something about the Reapers.  That didn't mean the Illusive Man was going to step aside, however.

Working with Anderson probably wasn't an option.  Not in the immediate future, anyway, though he wasn't willing to rule it out entirely."

In a way, it kinda looks like Anderson is being set-up as a sort of anti-TIM.

Modifié par didymos1120, 28 juillet 2010 - 08:21 .

[Nerevar-as]

Maybe he´ll take Hackett´s place.

If Udina is Council I hope we get the chance to airlock him with the turian.

It´s possible Drew will answer. At least in his SW Darth Bane books he explained a few plot points that hadn´t been too clear in the books.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 28 juillet 2010 - 10:10 .

[GnusmasTHX]

*facepalm*



I don't see why it matters.



Do you complain when your friend makes different choices on his playthrough screaming, "NOW MY PLAYTHROUGH ISNT CANON!!!"

[REShepard]

IrishSpectre257 wrote...

Regardless of who you picked, it doesn't matter now. Anderson resigned. Udina will be the Councilor in everyone's ME3. The book isn't going to be something that only happened if you picked Udina.

I still have no idea why Drew decided to specify that Udina was the Councilor though, since there was no real reason for it, but it's not something I can't ignore and forget.

This mirrors my feelings on the whole situation as well.  It doesn't really matter either way now but I'm still dumb-founded at why Drew would even address Udina as Councillor.  

[REShepard]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

*facepalm*

I don't see why it matters.

Do you complain when your friend makes different choices on his playthrough screaming, "NOW MY PLAYTHROUGH ISNT CANON!!!"

It matters because BioWare has been selling us this idea of how Mass Effect is the players story yet they've now released a media that is suppose to add to your games experience but instead it nullifies many fans choices.

 I will however yell at my friend now if he ever picks Anderson as the Councillor telling him his choice was the wrong one and he's an idiot for making a stupid decision.  See, BioWare destroys friendships by lying to its fans...(for those that are dense, I'm joking)

[GnusmasTHX]

REShepard wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

*facepalm*

I don't see why it matters.

Do you complain when your friend makes different choices on his playthrough screaming, "NOW MY PLAYTHROUGH ISNT CANON!!!"

It matters because BioWare has been selling us this idea of how Mass Effect is the players story yet they've now released a media that is suppose to add to your games experience but instead it nullifies many fans choices.

Yeah. BioWare shouldn't have released the book to begin with<_<. My "experiences" aren't adversely affected by reading Retribution. I have the common sense to know somethings have to be the way they are. And use my imagination for the rest.

Just like I don't throw a tantrum because VanderShep is on the case.

Modifié par GnusmasTHX, 29 juillet 2010 - 12:35 .

[didymos1120]

REShepard wrote...
It doesn't really matter either way now but I'm still dumb-founded at why Drew would even address Udina as Councillor.  

Again: it's rather likely to be about freeing Anderson up for a more active role in ME3, instead of just having him mope about how being Councilor is actually kinda lame and he can't get sh!t done yet again.  I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes a (or the) primary confidant/advisor/quest-giver in ME3.

[EricHVela]

Canon fights are for Star Wars because Lucas claims that [his] canon is the end-all/beat-all most important thing in Star Wars.

ME, so far, has not suffered from such a terrible fate. Don't let it be like that.

[Dave of Canada]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

REShepard wrote...

GnusmasTHX wrote...

*facepalm*

I don't see why it matters.

Do you complain when your friend makes different choices on his playthrough screaming, "NOW MY PLAYTHROUGH ISNT CANON!!!"

It matters because BioWare has been selling us this idea of how Mass Effect is the players story yet they've now released a media that is suppose to add to your games experience but instead it nullifies many fans choices.

Yeah. BioWare shouldn't have released the book to begin with<_<. My "experiences" aren't adversely affected by reading Retribution. I have the common sense to know somethings have to be the way they are. And use my imagination for the rest.

Just like I don't throw a tantrum because VanderShep is on the case.

But most of the book can't possibly have happened with Councilor Anderson, so either Anderson isn't the Councilor or he dropped out from being the Councilor - both of them having heavy impacts on our decision.