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[andar91]

Although I am optimistic about DA2, I do have one slight fear.  Though it is still extremely early, we know that the demo displayed at comic con was on the X-box 360.  As a result, most impressions of the demo are of the console experience.  We've been told that the combat is different between the versions so I reach my concern: will the PC version be shown as well or will they focus on the console version?

I'm not trying to debate which version is better or start a console war; I play my pc games and my ps3 games equally and like them both.  I also think that both versions of DA2 have the potential to be great games (and I think they probably will be).  Personally, however, I prefer the strategic feel of the game on the pc the most and am worried that there may be a shortage of information on it.  If the gameplay differs between the systems, will we be aware of both versions or just one?

Any developer input would be greatly appreciated on this, and I really hope that people stay polite and not turn this into a flame-filled console war.  Thanks for taking the time to click. 

[Captain Iglo]

Second this!

[javierabegazo]

Surely you don't entertain the idea of them releasing the game without releasing any videos of gameplay for the PC.



It's still really early in the news cycle. Wait is the mantra here

[TheMadCat]

The console versions have the biggest room for growth in this series as far as sales are concerned so I'm sure that will be pushed much harder then the PC version, meaning that's the version we'll be seeing the most of. Obviously we'll also get glimpses of the PC version as well, just at a less frequent rate.

[andar91]

javierabegazo wrote...

Surely you don't entertain the idea of them releasing the game without releasing any videos of gameplay for the PC.

It's still really early in the news cycle. Wait is the mantra here

True, but I'm still curious.  I guess I was just used to DA:O and how we saw no console stuff until extremely late, whereas all versions of DA2 are being developed at the same time.  Personally, I'd like to learn about both versions during the time before release.  I may very well end up buying both versions.  I wouldn't normally do that, but for Dragon Age I would.

[Rubbish Hero]

Be none, like Crysis 2, pc John Merrick, locked in room eating prune making little matchstick building away from public. Heartless money driven media want pc to lie on back and die.

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 27 juillet 2010 - 10:07 .

[andar91]

TheMadCat wrote...

The console versions have the biggest room for growth in this series as far as sales are concerned so I'm sure that will be pushed much harder then the PC version, meaning that's the version we'll be seeing the most of. Obviously we'll also get glimpses of the PC version as well, just at a less frequent rate.

That's kind of what I was thinking.  It isn't that big of a deal, I suppose.

[Brockololly]

I'm just worried that since they're going all out on the console version, the PC version won't get half as much attention- instead of making big improvements, you'll see features chipped away to level the playing field with the console version. Thats just my fear.

Basically,how the PC version of ME 2 was handled is what I fear with DA2- you didn't hear or see anything from that until a couple weeks before release.

[Chris Priestly]

Keep in mind also that at live events, a console is a much better idea than a PC. "What? Priestly, you're crazy! I love PCs. Everyone loves PCs! Etc Etc!"

I'm not saying a PC is a better or worse than a console, but I am saying at a convention (like the one we just had at Comic Con) a console is much easier for those of us who set up and work the booths. A PC is a big machine. Graphics cards, keyboards, sound cards, mice, cases, fans, etc all add up to be pretty heavy machines. These machines need to be shipped to the event, unpacked, set up, used, packed back up and shipped back or on to the next event. We used 16 stations at SDCC. Imagine the space for 16 PCs and their protective casings.

Consoles have all the same stuff, but in a smaller, lighter package. It is cheaper to ship, easier to move around and simpler to use (one controller instead of keyboard and mouse reduces the possibility of breakage by 50%). This is why we used the Xbox 360s at Comic Con.

Now, will we be at any more conventions this year? I hope so. Will we only have consoles, or will we have PCs? I don't know. I would guess we would still have mostly Xbox 360 consoles for the reasons I mention above, but we could mix in some PCs or some Playstations or focus an event on any one of the three.

Now, will you ever see anything in coverage or promotion for the game from the PC or will it be only consoles? I don't know. I do know that for Dragon Age: Origins we showed coverage for all platforms before the game was released. Will we do so again? You'll need to stay tuned and see.

[Bryy_Miller]

Chris Priestly wrote...

I'm not saying a PC is a better or worse than a console, but I am saying at a convention (like the one we just had at Comic Con) a console is much easier for those of us who set up and work the booths. A PC is a big machine. Graphics cards, keyboards, sound cards, mice, cases, fans, etc all add up to be pretty heavy machines. These machines need to be shipped to the event, unpacked, set up, used, packed back up and shipped back or on to the next event. We used 16 stations at SDCC. Imagine the space for 16 PCs and their protective casings.

Consoles have all the same stuff, but in a smaller, lighter package. It is cheaper to ship, easier to move around and simpler to use (one controller instead of keyboard and mouse reduces the possibility of breakage by 50%). This is why we used the Xbox 360s at Comic Con.

Easy solution: everyone brings their own rigs.

[TheMadCat]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind also that at live events, a console is a much better idea than a PC. "What? Priestly, you're crazy! I love PCs. Everyone loves PCs! Etc Etc!"

I'm not saying a PC is a better or worse than a console, but I am saying at a convention (like the one we just had at Comic Con) a console is much easier for those of us who set up and work the booths. A PC is a big machine. Graphics cards, keyboards, sound cards, mice, cases, fans, etc all add up to be pretty heavy machines. These machines need to be shipped to the event, unpacked, set up, used, packed back up and shipped back or on to the next event. We used 16 stations at SDCC. Imagine the space for 16 PCs and their protective casings.

Consoles have all the same stuff, but in a smaller, lighter package. It is cheaper to ship, easier to move around and simpler to use (one controller instead of keyboard and mouse reduces the possibility of breakage by 50%). This is why we used the Xbox 360s at Comic Con.

Now, will we be at any more conventions this year? I hope so. Will we only have consoles, or will we have PCs? I don't know. I would guess we would still have mostly Xbox 360 consoles for the reasons I mention above, but we could mix in some PCs or some Playstations or focus an event on any one of the three.

Now, will you ever see anything in coverage or promotion for the game from the PC or will it be only consoles? I don't know. I do know that for Dragon Age: Origins we showed coverage for all platforms before the game was released. Will we do so again? You'll need to stay tuned and see.

Er, why not simply use a laptop? That fits all that criteria, some areas better then the console does.

[Rubbish Hero]

Probably more sense us pc, better graphics.

Use 360 controller, hide pc, trick stupid heads that visual actually lots better.

[Lord Gremlin]

Hm. I wonder why 360 and not PS3, since there's always a risk of 360 breaking (last year I was on a Microsoft presentation in Moscow, 3 xboxes broke during this event).

[andar91]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Keep in mind also that at live events, a console is a much better idea than a PC. "What? Priestly, you're crazy! I love PCs. Everyone loves PCs! Etc Etc!"

I'm not saying a PC is a better or worse than a console, but I am saying at a convention (like the one we just had at Comic Con) a console is much easier for those of us who set up and work the booths. A PC is a big machine. Graphics cards, keyboards, sound cards, mice, cases, fans, etc all add up to be pretty heavy machines. These machines need to be shipped to the event, unpacked, set up, used, packed back up and shipped back or on to the next event. We used 16 stations at SDCC. Imagine the space for 16 PCs and their protective casings.

Consoles have all the same stuff, but in a smaller, lighter package. It is cheaper to ship, easier to move around and simpler to use (one controller instead of keyboard and mouse reduces the possibility of breakage by 50%). This is why we used the Xbox 360s at Comic Con.

Now, will we be at any more conventions this year? I hope so. Will we only have consoles, or will we have PCs? I don't know. I would guess we would still have mostly Xbox 360 consoles for the reasons I mention above, but we could mix in some PCs or some Playstations or focus an event on any one of the three.

Now, will you ever see anything in coverage or promotion for the game from the PC or will it be only consoles? I don't know. I do know that for Dragon Age: Origins we showed coverage for all platforms before the game was released. Will we do so again? You'll need to stay tuned and see.

That had crossed my mind; that does make a  lot of sense.  Thanks for finding the will to post within that dark, dark heart of yours.

[Divine Justinia V]

It's still pretty early for everything. I'm sure at future conventions/demos they'll have the PC version and not just 360/PS3. 

& I'm not sure why some people in these forums are so uptight about consoles (not saying you, OP) it's ridiculous..

Modifié par VittoriaLandis, 27 juillet 2010 - 10:41 .

[Brockololly]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Consoles have all the same stuff, but in a smaller, lighter package. It is cheaper to ship, easier to move around and simpler to use (one controller instead of keyboard and mouse reduces the possibility of breakage by 50%). This is why we used the Xbox 360s at Comic Con.

Well,  I'd argue the notion that consoles have all the same stuff as a quality gaming rig, but I get your point in taking consoles to show the game. Its just that most of the hyped up changes seem to have been done with the consoles in mind, and the longer the PC version stays quiet the easier it is to think the worst.

And I understand its really, really early in everything DA2, but given how the console and PC versions of DA2 are supposed to have fairly different combat, I think most PC gamers would like to see just how the combat on PC will differ from the consoles and if any other PC features we had in Origins (like the zoomable camera) are getting  chopped out.

Chris Priestly wrote...
Now, will you ever see anything in coverage or promotion for the game from the PC or will it be only consoles? I don't know. I do know that for Dragon Age: Origins we showed coverage for all platforms before the game was released. Will we do so again? You'll need to stay tuned and see.

I mean, technically ME2 had PC coverage too, but that was about 1 week before release. I just don't want to see the PC version of DA2 get treated and handled like the red headed step child to the heavily marketed and hyped console version- especially when Origins was a game built from the ground up on PC.

Modifié par Brockololly, 27 juillet 2010 - 10:43 .

[andar91]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

It's still pretty early for everything. I'm sure at future conventions/demos they'll have the PC version and not just 360/PS3.

& I'm not sure why some people in these forums are so uptight about consoles (not saying you, OP) it's ridiculous..

Thank you.   

I think it's because consoles are considered more mainstream and mainstream to some equals faster, easier, flashier, dumber.  I don't think that's true in all cases, but I do think that rpg's are better suited to...not that formula.  Since this is a forum dedicated to rpgs, it results in a lot of dislike of something that is largely associated with the aforementioned combination of elements.  The mistake in that assumption, imo, is that not all console games will necessarily follow that route (though some do).  So when there are whispers of an rpg on a console, fear that the pc version will be somehow tainted abound.  I think that that fear, while not baseless, has little reason for being, as Bioware knows what the PC does well and what the consoles do well.

[Divine Justinia V]

andar91 wrote...

Thank you for explaining that to me  now I don't feel out of the loop!

I'm sure you can tell I'm new-ish to actually writing in these forums and now that I've been more frequent in my postings,  I've noticed a lot of "PC/Console wars" lol. 

[Rubbish Hero]

andar91 wrote...I think it's because consoles are considered more mainstream

Tell that to Starcraft II. Probably outsell every Bioware game to date, Old Republic probably outsell all Bioware games released also. Double, tripple, Mass Effect.

[andar91]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Thank you for explaining that to me  now I don't feel out of the loop!

I'm sure you can tell I'm new-ish to actually writing in these forums and now that I've been more frequent in my postings,  I've noticed a lot of "PC/Console wars" lol. 

Yeah, console wars exist all over the internet, and this forum is no exception.  Personally, I think they're a personal preference and (like religion and politics) I try not to talk about them unless I know the person already agrees with me since it's one of those things that you'll never change anybody's mind on and it just causes bad feelings.
Glad I could bring you into the loop.

[andar91]

Edit: Sorry about that.

Modifié par andar91, 27 juillet 2010 - 10:57 .

[andar91]

Edit: Sorry again.  Something keeps going wrong and I end up with a
post a mile long.  I was trying to say to RubbishHero: That's why I
think the war between PCs and consoles is fallacious: they both can
play a wide range of games and I don't really think that one is more
suited to any one type of game in the grand scheme of things.  I tend
to enjoy CRPGs more than console ones, but that doesn't mean a console
couldn't produce a great rpg.

Modifié par andar91, 27 juillet 2010 - 11:03 .

[Hel]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Now, will we be at any more conventions this year? I hope so.

What does it take to lure you to gamescom next month for the second year in a row?

[DPB]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

& I'm not sure why some people in these forums are so uptight about consoles (not saying you, OP) it's ridiculous..

I can only speak for myself, but I'm concerned that this is going to end up like ME2, in that it feels like a port that doesn't properly utilise the strengths of PCs. See here for some of what I'm referring to. Demiurge did a better job on the interface in ME1.

I don't have anything against consoles (I still have 5 older generation consoles, nothing new though), but I'd just like to see them do multiplatform development properly this time. For DA2, I'm worried that we're not going to get same controls and interface as the PC version of DAO.

[angj57]

Chris Priestly wrote...

 A PC is a big machine. Graphics cards, keyboards, sound cards, mice, cases, fans, etc all add up to be pretty heavy machines. These machines need to be shipped to the event, unpacked, set up, used, packed back up and shipped back or on to the next event. We used 16 stations at SDCC. Imagine the space for 16 PCs and their protective casings.

Consoles have all the same stuff, but in a smaller, lighter package. It is cheaper to ship, easier to move around and simpler to use (one controller instead of keyboard and mouse reduces the possibility of breakage by 50%).

And this sums up why I switched to consoles for 90% of my gaming. I love the style of pc games, but hate having incompatibilities, driver updates, and all that nonsense.

That's why I hate all the console-bashing on forums like these. Some of us switched to consoles not because we prefer a certain style of gaming but for economic and convienence reasons.