Kai Leng is a badass, and as such I wish to kill him as Shepard in ME3, just to establish who the REAL N7 badass is.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 03:01
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Ironic that Anderson and Sanders will be using Grayson's body to see the effects of Reapers on humans.
They wouldn't be able to do that without TIM's help and Cerberus intiative.
Yes, TIM did get too caught up on vengeance with Grayson, and Cerberus experiments tend to blow up in his face, but that is also because of the people within the organization. Look at Grayson, he turned against TIM; so did Pel in Revelation.
Wasn't the Alliance also experimenting with A.I in Ascension? (I have yet to read it.)
And Keiji had info in his greybox that could threaten the Alliance's hold in Citadel politics in Kasumi's DLC.
And the Alliance even sealed Reaper information, after a huge attack on the Citadel.
At the core of it, there is no difference between the Alliance and Cerberus. But at least Cerberus is open about their belief in the ends justify the means. I think Cerberus would be more open with their experiments if they didn't have to fear the Alliance. The Alliance is passive-aggresive, covers their tracks when experiments blow up in their faces, and goes after miniscule threats like the geth. Then, the Alliance pot calls the Cerberus kettle black.
They wouldn't be able to do that without TIM's help and Cerberus intiative.
Yes, TIM did get too caught up on vengeance with Grayson, and Cerberus experiments tend to blow up in his face, but that is also because of the people within the organization. Look at Grayson, he turned against TIM; so did Pel in Revelation.
Wasn't the Alliance also experimenting with A.I in Ascension? (I have yet to read it.)
And Keiji had info in his greybox that could threaten the Alliance's hold in Citadel politics in Kasumi's DLC.
And the Alliance even sealed Reaper information, after a huge attack on the Citadel.
At the core of it, there is no difference between the Alliance and Cerberus. But at least Cerberus is open about their belief in the ends justify the means. I think Cerberus would be more open with their experiments if they didn't have to fear the Alliance. The Alliance is passive-aggresive, covers their tracks when experiments blow up in their faces, and goes after miniscule threats like the geth. Then, the Alliance pot calls the Cerberus kettle black.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 03:41
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Pel was in Ascension only.TIM was also first reveled in Ascebsion. The ai experiment was in Revilation. You have you books confused.Brodyaha wrote...
Ironic that Anderson and Sanders will be using Grayson's body to see the effects of Reapers on humans.
They wouldn't be able to do that without TIM's help and Cerberus intiative.
Yes, TIM did get too caught up on vengeance with Grayson, and Cerberus experiments tend to blow up in his face, but that is also because of the people within the organization. Look at Grayson, he turned against TIM; so did Pel in Revelation.
Wasn't the Alliance also experimenting with A.I in Ascension? (I have yet to read it.)
And Keiji had info in his greybox that could threaten the Alliance's hold in Citadel politics in Kasumi's DLC.
And the Alliance even sealed Reaper information, after a huge attack on the Citadel.
At the core of it, there is no difference between the Alliance and Cerberus. But at least Cerberus is open about their belief in the ends justify the means. I think Cerberus would be more open with their experiments if they didn't have to fear the Alliance. The Alliance is passive-aggresive, covers their tracks when experiments blow up in their faces, and goes after miniscule threats like the geth. Then, the Alliance pot calls the Cerberus kettle black.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 03:47
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Why are we and everyone else crying about Cerberus so much? It not like their not doing experiments. Heck, they didn't fail any experiment, the experiment was interupted by the tuians. It not dumb for them to look into the depths of a shady organization.snfonseka wrote...
Actually according to my opinion ME related novels are getting dumber at each release. The first novel is a good one, second one also somewhat good (but not better than the first) and this novel is the dumbest of all. Its looks like the writers cannot survive without Cerberus. Why they can't come-up with a new creative idea, rather than writing about another failed experiment. ME universe has enough failed experiments... now it's time for thinking something new !
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 04:08
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Kai Leng is a badass, and as such I wish to kill him as Shepard in ME3, just to establish who the REAL N7 badass is.
It wont be much of a fight after Anderson totalled his legs.
Btard totally got what he deserved.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 04:30
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He's from the same group that brought back a person who was so dead you could put what left of them in a box. I'm sure a few leg wounds can be pached up.Giggles_Manically wrote...
KainrycKarr wrote...
Kai Leng is a badass, and as such I wish to kill him as Shepard in ME3, just to establish who the REAL N7 badass is.
It wont be much of a fight after Anderson totalled his legs.
Btard totally got what he deserved.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 04:43
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dreman9999 wrote...
Why are we and everyone else crying about Cerberus so much? It not like their not doing experiments. Heck, they didn't fail any experiment, the experiment was interupted by the tuians. It not dumb for them to look into the depths of a shady organization.snfonseka wrote...
Actually according to my opinion ME related novels are getting dumber at each release. The first novel is a good one, second one also somewhat good (but not better than the first) and this novel is the dumbest of all. Its looks like the writers cannot survive without Cerberus. Why they can't come-up with a new creative idea, rather than writing about another failed experiment. ME universe has enough failed experiments
Cerberus is the NOT the only thing worth look into depth in ME universe. I mean, c'mon if it is a side-mission then it is Cerberus, if it is a DLC then again Cerberus... now when we are looking into novels...... again it is Cerberus! Either one of their agent got captured, their entire team KIA/ MIA or one of the experiments have gone loose (with or without interupted by the tuians). So basicaly writers survive on Cerberus!
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:22
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1. This book is an intro to ME3. What goes on in this book helps bring light to what to expect in ME3. No way Cerberus is not involved.snfonseka wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Why are we and everyone else crying about Cerberus so much? It not like their not doing experiments. Heck, they didn't fail any experiment, the experiment was interupted by the tuians. It not dumb for them to look into the depths of a shady organization.snfonseka wrote...
Actually according to my opinion ME related novels are getting dumber at each release. The first novel is a good one, second one also somewhat good (but not better than the first) and this novel is the dumbest of all. Its looks like the writers cannot survive without Cerberus. Why they can't come-up with a new creative idea, rather than writing about another failed experiment. ME universe has enough failed experiments
Cerberus is the NOT the only thing worth look into depth in ME universe. I mean, c'mon if it is a side-mission then it is Cerberus, if it is a DLC then again Cerberus... now when we are looking into novels...... again it is Cerberus! Either one of their agent got captured, their entire team KIA/ MIA or one of the experiments have gone loose (with or without interupted by the tuians). So basicaly writers survive on Cerberus!
2. It 's Cerberus nature to have lot of experiments. But your forgetting a major point in conducting experiments. Trail and error. Sure, you have a theory and a hypothesis on how it works but that does it going to work and with all of Cerberus experiments being life threating of course the experiment go wrong everything get pear shaped. They bring a blunt hammer to science.
3.It human nature to take risks, and Cerberus is a human organization.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:40
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dreman9999 wrote...
1. This book is an intro to ME3. What goes on in this book helps bring light to what to expect in ME3. No way Cerberus is not involved.snfonseka wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Why are we and everyone else crying about Cerberus so much? It not like their not doing experiments. Heck, they didn't fail any experiment, the experiment was interupted by the tuians. It not dumb for them to look into the depths of a shady organization.snfonseka wrote...
Actually according to my opinion ME related novels are getting dumber at each release. The first novel is a good one, second one also somewhat good (but not better than the first) and this novel is the dumbest of all. Its looks like the writers cannot survive without Cerberus. Why they can't come-up with a new creative idea, rather than writing about another failed experiment. ME universe has enough failed experiments
Cerberus is the NOT the only thing worth look into depth in ME universe. I mean, c'mon if it is a side-mission then it is Cerberus, if it is a DLC then again Cerberus... now when we are looking into novels...... again it is Cerberus! Either one of their agent got captured, their entire team KIA/ MIA or one of the experiments have gone loose (with or without interupted by the tuians). So basicaly writers survive on Cerberus!
2. It 's Cerberus nature to have lot of experiments. But your forgetting a major point in conducting experiments. Trail and error. Sure, you have a theory and a hypothesis on how it works but that does it going to work and with all of Cerberus experiments being life threating of course the experiment go wrong everything get pear shaped. They bring a blunt hammer to science.
3.It human nature to take risks, and Cerberus is a human organization.
Yea, but the problem is the outcome always an error (not considering the Lazerus Project). With these kind of story writing (not only taking about novel), Cerberus looks like a group of monkeys. So all these risk taking turn to be epic failures at the end! I mean.... so much of failures without any success at all !!!!
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 05:43
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I think the ME team just likes to use Cerberus as a punching bag,
Team Rocket has a higher succes rate then those bozos.
Team Rocket has a higher succes rate then those bozos.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:09
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We'll error is bound happens when you try to pound a a square peg in a round hole. Cerberus most of the time is trying to force human it forward at any means necessary. TIM need to learn that Humanity need to expand naturually on it own. It not that Cerberus is a bunch of monkeys, it's that science has a lot of failures.snfonseka wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. This book is an intro to ME3. What goes on in this book helps bring light to what to expect in ME3. No way Cerberus is not involved.snfonseka wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Why are we and everyone else crying about Cerberus so much? It not like their not doing experiments. Heck, they didn't fail any experiment, the experiment was interupted by the tuians. It not dumb for them to look into the depths of a shady organization.snfonseka wrote...
Actually according to my opinion ME related novels are getting dumber at each release. The first novel is a good one, second one also somewhat good (but not better than the first) and this novel is the dumbest of all. Its looks like the writers cannot survive without Cerberus. Why they can't come-up with a new creative idea, rather than writing about another failed experiment. ME universe has enough failed experiments
Cerberus is the NOT the only thing worth look into depth in ME universe. I mean, c'mon if it is a side-mission then it is Cerberus, if it is a DLC then again Cerberus... now when we are looking into novels...... again it is Cerberus! Either one of their agent got captured, their entire team KIA/ MIA or one of the experiments have gone loose (with or without interupted by the tuians). So basicaly writers survive on Cerberus!
2. It 's Cerberus nature to have lot of experiments. But your forgetting a major point in conducting experiments. Trail and error. Sure, you have a theory and a hypothesis on how it works but that does it going to work and with all of Cerberus experiments being life threating of course the experiment go wrong everything get pear shaped. They bring a blunt hammer to science.
3.It human nature to take risks, and Cerberus is a human organization.
Yea, but the problem is the outcome always an error (not considering the Lazerus Project). With these kind of story writing (not only taking about novel), Cerberus looks like a group of monkeys. So all these risk taking turn to be epic failures at the end! I mean.... so much of failures without any success at all !!!!
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 06:21
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As a point of relevance to the full story-line of ME: The main point of Retribution was following the progress of Indoctrination from the inside, and introducing us to Reaper psychology and motives. I think that is is going to be a major point of ME3. As Shepard is probably a person who has been exposed to more Reaper technology than anyone else and survived, it's not impossible that Shepard may start to come under the influence of Indoctrination, even if he can resist it through strength of will, as Greyson did for a while.
On it's own, Retribution didn't seem to explore a who lot of the ME universe like Revelation and Ascension did, but it did explore that key point of Indoctrination point by point. People that have read Retribution may recognize the first signs of indoctrination in either Shepard or their teammates before it's fully revealed in-game.
On it's own, Retribution didn't seem to explore a who lot of the ME universe like Revelation and Ascension did, but it did explore that key point of Indoctrination point by point. People that have read Retribution may recognize the first signs of indoctrination in either Shepard or their teammates before it's fully revealed in-game.
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 09:12
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What I mean is if Anderson quit does Udina become councillor? Or do the events of this book only happen if certain choices are made in ME and ME2
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Posté 02 août 2010 - 09:34
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If Andersen resigns as Counselor (assuming he was ever Counselor in your play-through), the next logical person to put in place is Udina. If you picked Udina as Counselor in the first place, then Andersen's resignation is just as it happened in the book.
The net result is that no matter what, they're setting up for Udina to be the Human Counselor in ME3 and Andersen is no longer officially a part of the Alliance military/political structure.
The net result is that no matter what, they're setting up for Udina to be the Human Counselor in ME3 and Andersen is no longer officially a part of the Alliance military/political structure.
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Posté 03 août 2010 - 06:51
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Giggles_Manically wrote...
KainrycKarr wrote...
Kai Leng is a badass, and as such I wish to kill him as Shepard in ME3, just to establish who the REAL N7 badass is.
It wont be much of a fight after Anderson totalled his legs.
Btard totally got what he deserved.
Mass Effect science can bring back the dead and such, I heavily doubt two shots in the legs would make him a cripple for the rest of his life.
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Posté 03 août 2010 - 02:27
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Pel was in Ascension only.TIM was also first reveled in Ascebsion. The ai experiment was in Revilation. You have you books confused.Brodyaha wrote...
Ironic that Anderson and Sanders will be using Grayson's body to see the effects of Reapers on humans.
They wouldn't be able to do that without TIM's help and Cerberus intiative.
Yes, TIM did get too caught up on vengeance with Grayson, and Cerberus experiments tend to blow up in his face, but that is also because of the people within the organization. Look at Grayson, he turned against TIM; so did Pel in Revelation.
Wasn't the Alliance also experimenting with A.I in Ascension? (I have yet to read it.)
And Keiji had info in his greybox that could threaten the Alliance's hold in Citadel politics in Kasumi's DLC.
And the Alliance even sealed Reaper information, after a huge attack on the Citadel.
At the core of it, there is no difference between the Alliance and Cerberus. But at least Cerberus is open about their belief in the ends justify the means. I think Cerberus would be more open with their experiments if they didn't have to fear the Alliance. The Alliance is passive-aggresive, covers their tracks when experiments blow up in their faces, and goes after miniscule threats like the geth. Then, the Alliance pot calls the Cerberus kettle black.
I know, I realized that after I made the post. Revelation = Saren and AI. Ascension = Ascension Project + Grayson Betrayal.
Whoops!
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 03:52
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I think the ME team just likes to use Cerberus as a punching bag,
Team Rocket has a higher succes rate then those bozos.
Hahaha, you actually had me laugh when I read that
But the people in this forum seem to be ignoring a key element regarding Cerberus' failures, This element being that Cerberus is a SECRET organisation, which means we all know about their failures only because they failed at keeping them secret. From this point of view, it is quite logical to assume that any person that doesn't work in the high ranks of cerberus cannot know about the experiments taking place.
Don't forget that cerberus is a threat to the council races for a reason.
Here's a couple of successfull Cerberus operations we know of:
-Rebuilding the Normandy
-Saving the Citadel from a Batarian attack
-Rebulding Shepard
-Unleashing a Thresher maw on some humans
Notice that these projects we successful yet largely unkown by the majority of people
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I just hope in ME3, Kahlee is featured in some way or mentioned by someone. And the main enemy we fight on the ground in similar to the "GraysonReaper".
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I just hope in ME3, Kahlee is featured in some way or mentioned by someone. And the main enemy we fight on the ground in similar to the "GraysonReaper".
Agreed. With the Reaper's using Grayson to forcibly access the database from the academy, we may as well conclude that the Reapers can access untapped biotic potential in future human hosts. It's about time too, the husks look and act completely retarded in ME:2; it's about time we received a more menacing "common indoctrinated" foe (the Collectors don't count).
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Posté 05 août 2010 - 08:42
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I hope Kahlee Sanders is in ME3 just so I can hear her name pronounced. Does it rhyme with tally, Molly or Bailey?
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Wasn't it the Turians who messed up Grayson if they hadn't released him (or attacked the base) he would have never got out.
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I just hope in ME3, Kahlee is featured in some way or mentioned by someone. And the main enemy we fight on the ground in similar to the "GraysonReaper".
After reading, it almost feels like you may end up working with Kahlee and Anderson. I hope they are part of your team, I was expecting more Anderson in ME2, now looks like maybe in 3. I feel like Eric Cartmen waiting for the Wii, come on...come on....
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I hope Kai Leng quickly recovers after getting shot in the legs, I hope he recovers to the state he was before getting shot, judging by the technology in Mass Effect he should be back in no time. If theres a character i really want in Mass Effect 3 it'll easily be Kai Leng. I want him in my team so badly. He is the perfect character, Skillful, Loyal and Intelligent.
