i like what i have read so far i hope anderson becomes a teammate in me3
Mass Effect Retribution Discussion - SPOILERS AHOY!
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#302
Posté 15 août 2010 - 09:46
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yeah... let's made that butcher (aka Kai Leng) recruitable... so this will spare my Shepard time to hunt him down and deliver to Aria... what she will do to him it's her business.
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Posté 15 août 2010 - 11:00
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why would anyone want that Leng char a squadmember is beyond me..he kills defenselesss people,he is racist...he is scum..if anything i hope we get to kill him in ME3..or deliver him to Aria...heh..a man can also hope for both...can we run him over with a ship ?
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Posté 15 août 2010 - 11:38
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What is with everyone and their hate towards Kai Leng? Hes one of the most skilful, intelligent, and loyal characters. Also the Illusive, if anything Retribution makes me respect him even more.
If you ever want humanity to rise above the other species in the mass effect society we need people like the Illusive Man and Kai Leng. Miracles don’t just happen; it’s when normal people make hard decisions.
Kai Leng helped Cerberus when they needed him the most and succeeded, whilst Cerberus are the only people doing something about the imminent threat of the Reapers. What is there so much hate towards Cerberus? If you lived in a society of aliens you would be racist, it is human nature of being racist, and you can’t prevent it. Everyone is racist and if we really discovered aliens in the future everyone would be somewhat speciest.
Since Bioware has introduced this character in the final Mass Effect novel, Theres a high chance that he would be in Mass Effect 3. And I assume there’s going to be a huge choice to kill Aria. And I already decided who I’m gonna kill. Why do you guys even care about criminals like Pirate Queen? And her whorish daughter?
If you ever want humanity to rise above the other species in the mass effect society we need people like the Illusive Man and Kai Leng. Miracles don’t just happen; it’s when normal people make hard decisions.
Kai Leng helped Cerberus when they needed him the most and succeeded, whilst Cerberus are the only people doing something about the imminent threat of the Reapers. What is there so much hate towards Cerberus? If you lived in a society of aliens you would be racist, it is human nature of being racist, and you can’t prevent it. Everyone is racist and if we really discovered aliens in the future everyone would be somewhat speciest.
Since Bioware has introduced this character in the final Mass Effect novel, Theres a high chance that he would be in Mass Effect 3. And I assume there’s going to be a huge choice to kill Aria. And I already decided who I’m gonna kill. Why do you guys even care about criminals like Pirate Queen? And her whorish daughter?
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Posté 15 août 2010 - 11:58
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KendallX23 wrote...
why would anyone want that Leng char a squadmember is beyond me..he kills defenselesss people,he is racist...he is scum..if anything i hope we get to kill him in ME3..or deliver him to Aria...heh..a man can also hope for both...can we run him over with a ship ?
this...no way do I want this racist bastard in my squad<_<
I wouldn't mind if Tazzik is a squadmember in ME3...
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Posté 15 août 2010 - 02:39
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raptor1906 wrote...
What is with everyone and their hate towards Kai Leng? Hes one of the most skilful, intelligent, and loyal characters. Also the Illusive, if anything Retribution makes me respect him even more.
If you ever want humanity to rise above the other species in the mass effect society we need people like the Illusive Man and Kai Leng. Miracles don’t just happen; it’s when normal people make hard decisions.
Kai Leng helped Cerberus when they needed him the most and succeeded, whilst Cerberus are the only people doing something about the imminent threat of the Reapers. What is there so much hate towards Cerberus? If you lived in a society of aliens you would be racist, it is human nature of being racist, and you can’t prevent it. Everyone is racist and if we really discovered aliens in the future everyone would be somewhat speciest.
Since Bioware has introduced this character in the final Mass Effect novel, Theres a high chance that he would be in Mass Effect 3. And I assume there’s going to be a huge choice to kill Aria. And I already decided who I’m gonna kill. Why do you guys even care about criminals like Pirate Queen? And her whorish daughter?
u are assuming most people on this forum want humanity to be above the other species..i want them to be on the same page.If anything most humans in the ME Universe seem greedy and many are simply racist.
And please stop assuming u know people...for example..i am more then sure i would have no problem with meeting aliens and living among them..actually i would love it..the chance to meet other cultures are far more important then petty things like Speciesism.
well since Omega is lawless..and outside the jurisdiction of the COuncil..Aria is not a criminal...and why was her daughter that bad ?because she is asari...careful here..don't bring the game to real life...
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Posté 15 août 2010 - 02:48
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I liked Kai Leng. After hearing things about him, I thought I'd hate him, but he does know how to get the job done and isn't beyond asking his enemies for help. Still, Shepard is gonna choose Aria's side should it come down to Cerberus v Omega, and he'd enjoy handing him over to the grieving mother of the daughter he murdered.
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Posté 15 août 2010 - 02:50
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raptor1906 wrote...
And her whorish daughter?
****s are cool, yo.
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Posté 15 août 2010 - 06:49
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To the question about whether the Reapers will end up actually being "good" or "bad", quite honestly I think they'll end up being neither, and I don't think they're lying either. I think they believe what they are doing is both their and our salvation but just as they are unknowable to us we are unknowable to them, and they don't seem to comprehend the fact that we don't -want- to be like they are.
They think they're doing us a favour, basically.
They think they're doing us a favour, basically.
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Posté 15 août 2010 - 07:18
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Myrmedus wrote...
To the question about whether the Reapers will end up actually being "good" or "bad", quite honestly I think they'll end up being neither, and I don't think they're lying either. I think they believe what they are doing is both their and our salvation but just as they are unknowable to us we are unknowable to them, and they don't seem to comprehend the fact that we don't -want- to be like they are.
They think they're doing us a favour, basically.
Sovereign sure didn't give me this impression....are Reapers different in thinking ?
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 03:11
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KendallX23 wrote...
Myrmedus wrote...
To the question about whether the Reapers will end up actually being "good" or "bad", quite honestly I think they'll end up being neither, and I don't think they're lying either. I think they believe what they are doing is both their and our salvation but just as they are unknowable to us we are unknowable to them, and they don't seem to comprehend the fact that we don't -want- to be like they are.
They think they're doing us a favour, basically.
Sovereign sure didn't give me this impression....are Reapers different in thinking ?
Well Legion gives the impression that each is a collective of its own so to a degree are individual, yeah. Sovereign came across as very arrogant, even for a Reaper.
But Harbinger gives the impression that the Reapers are trying to do us a favour all throughout ME2 with his quotes and what he says at the end "That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction," and of course the Reaper possessing Grayson says similar things.
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 03:24
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Most people are trying to forget that Aria is a crime lord. Since her daughter worked for her, I really don't think she is innocent... So basically my Shep doesn't give a damn about them!
"What goes around comes around"
"What goes around comes around"
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 06:07
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Myrmedus wrote...
To the question about whether the Reapers will end up actually being "good" or "bad", quite honestly I think they'll end up being neither, and I don't think they're lying either. I think they believe what they are doing is both their and our salvation but just as they are unknowable to us we are unknowable to them, and they don't seem to comprehend the fact that we don't -want- to be like they are.
They think they're doing us a favour, basically.
I've been thinking the same thing since playing ME2, and the dialogue in Retribution reinforces it. Frankly, I'd be very surprised if this isn't what is revealed in ME3.
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 08:00
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So, I'm about 130 pages from the end. My enjoyment of the book's been marred by the fact I seem to have a dodgy book (it looks like it's going to split down the middle. Lurvely!), annoyingly.
Enjoying it so far, I guess. The Illusive Man seems different, though. Very different.
Enjoying it so far, I guess. The Illusive Man seems different, though. Very different.
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 11:02
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raptor1906 wrote...
What is with everyone and their hate towards Kai Leng? Hes one of the most skilful, intelligent, and loyal characters. Also the Illusive, if anything Retribution makes me respect him even more.
If you ever want humanity to rise above the other species in the mass effect society we need people like the Illusive Man and Kai Leng. Miracles don’t just happen; it’s when normal people make hard decisions.
Kai Leng helped Cerberus when they needed him the most and succeeded, whilst Cerberus are the only people doing something about the imminent threat of the Reapers. What is there so much hate towards Cerberus? If you lived in a society of aliens you would be racist, it is human nature of being racist, and you can’t prevent it. Everyone is racist and if we really discovered aliens in the future everyone would be somewhat speciest.
Since Bioware has introduced this character in the final Mass Effect novel, Theres a high chance that he would be in Mass Effect 3. And I assume there’s going to be a huge choice to kill Aria. And I already decided who I’m gonna kill. Why do you guys even care about criminals like Pirate Queen? And her whorish daughter?
I am not racist and I am not a speciest, even if we would discover alien life I would view them as equals. So tell me, does this make me an anomaly among the human species?
Oh and as to why people dislike Kai Leng? That usually happens when a character happens to be a criminal, racist, merciless killer without any conciense. And I do hope we see Kai Leng in me3, he would make an awesome boss or miniboss.
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 11:51
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raptor1906 wrote...
If you ever want humanity to rise above the other species in the mass effect society we need people like the Illusive Man and Kai Leng. Miracles don’t just happen; it’s when normal people make hard decisions.
Kai Leng helped Cerberus when they needed him the most and succeeded, whilst Cerberus are the only people doing something about the imminent threat of the Reapers. What is there so much hate towards Cerberus? If you lived in a society of aliens you would be racist, it is human nature of being racist, and you can’t prevent it. Everyone is racist and if we really discovered aliens in the future everyone would be somewhat speciest.
Since Bioware has introduced this character in the final Mass Effect novel, Theres a high chance that he would be in Mass Effect 3. And I assume there’s going to be a huge choice to kill Aria. And I already decided who I’m gonna kill. Why do you guys even care about criminals like Pirate Queen? And her whorish daughter?
1. Some of us don't want humanity to be superior. We just want to co-exist with the other races.
2. We'd probably be more biased towards our own species, sure, but we wouldn't spit on the others whenever we got the chance like Kai Leng seems to do.
3. As far as I'm aware, Kai Leng killed Aria's daughter in an especially sadistic manner (slit her throat while she's naked and unconscious) without any good reason.
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 12:28
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How is Kai Leng a criminal? (We can’t really judge about him getting stripped of his rank because there’s just not enough details)The point of a black ops organisation is so that the government can take actions which the public wouldn’t know about, Why? Because it’s controversial and Controversial usually means effective however at a certain cost, while people debate about whether to do it or not, actions can be taken, the problem could already be saved during that time. However people only look at the dark side of things, thus their actions are considered evil among primary school students, which usually they are too naive to realise this 'grey area'. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s considered a criminal act. The world isn’t what little children are educated like “no one deserves to die”, Outlaws like Aria and her people are nothing but thugs who use their superior numbers for extortion. Thus it is only right that they die, Her daughter is one of those people. This is what it’s like on the battlefield, if you show mercy you'll end up paying for it. That’s the reality of soldiers. Kill or be killed.
I guess I’d rather fight Kai Leng though because I’m getting a little bit weary that Shepard isn’t the ultimate badass anymore in the galaxy after introducing Kai Leng.
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Like I said before Aria’s daughter is a criminal, they deserve to die, it’s only making the galaxy a better place when a criminal dies whether the method is considered sadistic or not, it’s still a good thing. Furthermore, if Liselle doesn’t die, how else is Cerberus going to extract Paul Grayson? Whether their experiment on Gryson is considered a criminal act, is for another day. It is an extremely intelligent plan cleverly executed by Kai Leng.
And you know, in the end we’ll all make decisions in Mass Effect 3 based on our personal opinions so what’s the point of debating over it? I want Kai Leng in Mass Effect 3, you guys want him dead, who cares in the end?
From what I’ve seen from Cerberus and their agents so far, their essentially just a powerful black ops organisation. Hate them, love them would it matter when Bioware decides to make them the star of the show in Mass Effect 3?
How is Kai Leng a criminal? (We can’t really judge about him getting stripped of his rank because there’s just not enough details)The point of a black ops organisation is so that the government can take actions which the public wouldn’t know about, Why? Because it’s controversial and Controversial usually means effective however at a certain cost, while people debate about whether to do it or not, actions can be taken, the problem could already be saved during that time. However people only look at the dark side of things, thus their actions are considered evil among primary school students, which usually they are too naive to realise this 'grey area'. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s considered a criminal act. The world isn’t what little children are educated like “no one deserves to die”, Outlaws like Aria and her people are nothing but thugs who use their superior numbers for extortion. Thus it is only right that they die, Her daughter is one of those people. This is what it’s like on the battlefield, if you show mercy you'll end up paying for it. That’s the reality of soldiers. Kill or be killed.
I guess I’d rather fight Kai Leng though because I’m getting a little bit weary that Shepard isn’t the ultimate badass anymore in the galaxy after introducing Kai Leng.
@ThisIsMadness91
Like I said before Aria’s daughter is a criminal, they deserve to die, it’s only making the galaxy a better place when a criminal dies whether the method is considered sadistic or not, it’s still a good thing. Furthermore, if Liselle doesn’t die, how else is Cerberus going to extract Paul Grayson? Whether their experiment on Gryson is considered a criminal act, is for another day. It is an extremely intelligent plan cleverly executed by Kai Leng.
And you know, in the end we’ll all make decisions in Mass Effect 3 based on our personal opinions so what’s the point of debating over it? I want Kai Leng in Mass Effect 3, you guys want him dead, who cares in the end?
From what I’ve seen from Cerberus and their agents so far, their essentially just a powerful black ops organisation. Hate them, love them would it matter when Bioware decides to make them the star of the show in Mass Effect 3?
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 01:06
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Marta Rio wrote...
Myrmedus wrote...
To the question about whether the Reapers will end up actually being "good" or "bad", quite honestly I think they'll end up being neither, and I don't think they're lying either. I think they believe what they are doing is both their and our salvation but just as they are unknowable to us we are unknowable to them, and they don't seem to comprehend the fact that we don't -want- to be like they are.
They think they're doing us a favour, basically.
I've been thinking the same thing since playing ME2, and the dialogue in Retribution reinforces it. Frankly, I'd be very surprised if this isn't what is revealed in ME3.
Isn't this alrady mentioned by Harbinger (in his dialogs) in ME2?
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 02:39
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She was naked because she'd just slept with Greyson, unconscious because they tranq'd her and just how else would they kill her? It's possible for a head injury, even a bullet, to not kill someone - better safe than sorry.ThisIsMadness91 wrote...
3. As far as I'm aware, Kai Leng killed Aria's daughter in an especially sadistic manner (slit her throat while she's naked and unconscious) without any good reason.
But, from where I am in the book and if you look back at what happened, if Kai hadn't have killed her then why would Aria be going after Greyson? Sure, he disappeared and he was a good worker for her, but as far as she's aware Greyson killed Liselle and so the Illusive Man is indirectly working that angle to bring Aria onto his side to track Greyson down.
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 03:02
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OnlyShallow89 wrote...
She was naked because she'd just slept with Greyson, unconscious because they tranq'd her and just how else would they kill her? It's possible for a head injury, even a bullet, to not kill someone - better safe than sorry.ThisIsMadness91 wrote...
3. As far as I'm aware, Kai Leng killed Aria's daughter in an especially sadistic manner (slit her throat while she's naked and unconscious) without any good reason.
But, from where I am in the book and if you look back at what happened, if Kai hadn't have killed her then why would Aria be going after Greyson? Sure, he disappeared and he was a good worker for her, but as far as she's aware Greyson killed Liselle and so the Illusive Man is indirectly working that angle to bring Aria onto his side to track Greyson down.
Liselle was in the wrong place at the wrong time
Kai Leng is racist but it doesn't mean he killed her cause she's an asari
Kai is an assasin he has to be efficient and can't help an asari was interfering in his plans=]
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 04:28
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Three quick thoughts that have already been shared by others, but I feel like sharing them too. 
1. On the one hand, it makes me sad that the book's mention of Admiral Anderson/Councilor Udina implies that there is a "canon" Mass Effect universe regardless of what choices you make. I really thought this series was doing a great job actually bridging the gap between top-down authorial control and fan-contributed canon (or "fanon") by leaving some details vague.
2. On the other hand, I have no problem pretending I never read that Batarians are long-necked and furry, so what's the big deal?
3. I just realized that the ONLY reason I read these Mass Effect books is to basically get back story on important characters and events that will appear in the next game. Revelation gave info on Saren pre-indoctrination and how Sovereign was discovered; Ascension introduced the Illusive Man and offered a bit more on the Flotilla. We only get a moment to reflect on Aria having a daughter before even she seems to forget about it, and Kai Leng is such a generic badass assassin that it's hard to feel like this included anything new at all. I understand that the goal of the book should be to tell a compelling story in and of itself … but, well … it's a video game tie-in. It's not as if our expectations are high to begin with.
At least this one was better proofread than the earlier ones.
1. On the one hand, it makes me sad that the book's mention of Admiral Anderson/Councilor Udina implies that there is a "canon" Mass Effect universe regardless of what choices you make. I really thought this series was doing a great job actually bridging the gap between top-down authorial control and fan-contributed canon (or "fanon") by leaving some details vague.
2. On the other hand, I have no problem pretending I never read that Batarians are long-necked and furry, so what's the big deal?
3. I just realized that the ONLY reason I read these Mass Effect books is to basically get back story on important characters and events that will appear in the next game. Revelation gave info on Saren pre-indoctrination and how Sovereign was discovered; Ascension introduced the Illusive Man and offered a bit more on the Flotilla. We only get a moment to reflect on Aria having a daughter before even she seems to forget about it, and Kai Leng is such a generic badass assassin that it's hard to feel like this included anything new at all. I understand that the goal of the book should be to tell a compelling story in and of itself … but, well … it's a video game tie-in. It's not as if our expectations are high to begin with.
At least this one was better proofread than the earlier ones.
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 05:03
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Guy like that whos with Cerberus is pretty much just a common murderous criminal, like TIM himself.
The fact he happens to be a sadistic racist and totally fanatical servant to TIM just makes me wanna arrest his ass more.
Infact i think Criminal doesnt accurately describe him tough, you may be right. "Terrorist" is much closer.
The fact he happens to be a sadistic racist and totally fanatical servant to TIM just makes me wanna arrest his ass more.
Infact i think Criminal doesnt accurately describe him tough, you may be right. "Terrorist" is much closer.
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 05:11
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Omg guys maybe!! the illusive man is the shadow broker!!! 
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 05:18
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well it sort of makes sense.. he has the eyes for it dont u think? xD and his weapon is information, and it states that hes funded by many 'o people altho... Liara had to get shepards body from shadowbroker for cerb which doesnt make sense, but maybe its a double story just to make shepard think its not him when really he sold the body to himself at cerberus? think about it he never sees anyone(what a loner) okay... so i just wanna hear ur opinions , coz i know mine suck xD
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Posté 16 août 2010 - 06:28
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Kai Leng is cool in my books. A badass assassin who gets the job done. So he hates aliens, big frigging deal. Joram Talid hates humans, incites alien hatred for humanity, extorts human business' for money, yet I don't hear many paragons bragging that they gunned him down on Thane's mission. Leng's the kind of person I'd like as a squadmate. Tough, ruthless, adaptive, disciplined and determined. Unlike my current squad, this guy doesn't have daddy issues that I know of.
Liselle. She was no innocent. Hell that night they were celebrating ambushing a rival turian gang and stealing their drugs. Forgive me if I don't shed a tear at her death. Hell it's not like Kai Leng planned on killing her. He did everything possible to avoid that. She was at the wrong place at the wrong time and she killed one of Leng's men.
Liselle. She was no innocent. Hell that night they were celebrating ambushing a rival turian gang and stealing their drugs. Forgive me if I don't shed a tear at her death. Hell it's not like Kai Leng planned on killing her. He did everything possible to avoid that. She was at the wrong place at the wrong time and she killed one of Leng's men.
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