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[Barquiel]

raptor1906 wrote...

Hate them, love them would it matter when Bioware decides to make them the star of the show in Mass Effect 3?

Yes

Mass Effect 2, DLC (Overlord), the books, the new comic series -
starring Cerberus and TIM !

I want the option to kill Kai Leng and TIM (or give them to Aria), but...quite honestly...I am getting a bit tired of Cerberus.

[jbblue05]

armass wrote...

Guy like that whos with Cerberus is pretty much just a common murderous criminal, like TIM himself.
The fact he happens to be a sadistic racist and totally fanatical servant to TIM just makes me wanna arrest his ass more.

Infact i think Criminal doesnt accurately describe him tough, you may be right. "Terrorist" is much closer.

When is killing a krogan in a bar fight. Killing two turians and an asari who were jackasses to you killed one of your  men
a terrorist act.

Paragon Shepard should arrest every racist in the galaxy because clearly they are all terrorists.:happy:

I hope if you save the base Kai Leng is a squaddie  two N7 marines can take on anything. you won't even need a 2nd team member
Plus Bioware needs a "true" Renegade in Mass Effect 

[Lellandra]

Marta Rio wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

To the question about whether the Reapers will end up actually being "good" or "bad", quite honestly I think they'll end up being neither, and I don't think they're lying either. I think they believe what they are doing is both their and our salvation but just as they are unknowable to us we are unknowable to them, and they don't seem to comprehend the fact that we don't -want- to be like they are.

They think they're doing us a favour, basically.

I've been thinking the same thing since playing ME2, and the dialogue in Retribution reinforces it.  Frankly, I'd be very surprised if this isn't what is revealed in ME3. 

Yep, I agree with you two.

I believe when they created the human reaper they were "inviting" humanity to join their superior race and live forever with them as an equal. Even though making smoothies out of thousands of people is an abomination in our eyes, to them is just the way to reach salvation.

[snfonseka]

Barquiel wrote...

raptor1906 wrote...

Hate them, love them would it matter when Bioware decides to make them the star of the show in Mass Effect 3?

Yes

Mass Effect 2, DLC (Overlord), the books, the new comic series -
starring Cerberus and TIM !

I want the option to kill Kai Leng and TIM (or give them to Aria), but...quite honestly...I am getting a bit tired of Cerberus.

If they continue it this rate... the series will soon become "Cerberus Effect"......

[Loerwyn]

I finish it last night. I really hope Kai Leng isn't a squad member as I really didn't care for him. There's being a d*ck, and then there's Kai. He'd be a terrible squad mate as he'd just drop Shep when he/she isn't looking.

I'm a bit torn about the book. Drew's interpretation of The Illusive Man seems to differ from the in-game version - something I noticed in Ascension, too. Best character throughout the book had to be Anderson, though. He rocked.

[ThisIsMadness91]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

I finish it last night. I really hope Kai Leng isn't a squad member as I really didn't care for him. There's being a d*ck, and then there's Kai. He'd be a terrible squad mate as he'd just drop Shep when he/she isn't looking.
I'm a bit torn about the book. Drew's interpretation of The Illusive Man seems to differ from the in-game version - something I noticed in Ascension, too. Best character throughout the book had to be Anderson, though. He rocked.

I believe you mean to say Kai would try to drop Shep...try, then get tied up and fed to Urz!

I wonder if the different interpretaion of the Illuvie Man in the game compared to the novel is because they wanted to make him a bit less detestable in ME2. If he were as evil as he seems to be in the novels, how many people would be willing to play the game knowing they have to answer to him?

[Loerwyn]

TIM, in ME2, seemed much more reclusive and distant. In both books he's appeared in, he's less restrained about meeting people face to face - I would say that I feel the book TIM would have met Shep instead of always communicating to him/her via the holo thingy. He's not stupid and he knows that meeting Shep face to face would be a better idea, so why didn't he?

His voice doesn't sit well with me in the game. I respect Martin Sheen as an actor, but I don't see him as TIM. His voice is too old for his body, in my mind. I think he should sound a bit younger and perhaps even a bit deeper.

[redplague]

oNLYsHALLOW89 - Is your avatar April Ryan?

[SirRengeti]

@redplague: It is April ( god i love "the longest journey" and "dreamfall").

[StefanBW]

Was anyone annoyed by the typos in the book? Orinia being called Oriana multiple times? Kail Leng? Come on, it's like Drew never read through his own work once. Deadlines I suppose.

[ThisIsMadness91]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

TIM, in ME2, seemed much more reclusive and distant. In both books he's appeared in, he's less restrained about meeting people face to face - I would say that I feel the book TIM would have met Shep instead of always communicating to him/her via the holo thingy. He's not stupid and he knows that meeting Shep face to face would be a better idea, so why didn't he?
His voice doesn't sit well with me in the game. I respect Martin Sheen as an actor, but I don't see him as TIM. His voice is too old for his body, in my mind. I think he should sound a bit younger and perhaps even a bit deeper.

That's something that really bugged me. He was willing to meet Liara in person in the Redemption series, but made Shepard speak to him via holographic communication, even when they were (unless I'm mistaken) on the same freaking station.

[Loerwyn]

redplague wrote...
oNLYsHALLOW89 - Is your avatar April Ryan?

Yup. The one and only.

stefanbw wrote...
Was anyone annoyed by the typos in the
book? Orinia being called Oriana multiple times? Kail Leng? Come on,
it's like Drew never read through his own work once. Deadlines I
suppose.

Can't say I noticed many typos (I noticed a to/too mix up). Think it might have also been something his editor missed, too.

[Alixen]

I liked the book. Didn't love it; but it was an okay read.



I found it was a bit too much with the dark and gritty element, and very light on uplifting scenes.



I spent the whole book waiting for Aria to disembowel Kai Leng; yet he got away scot free. I knew there was no hope for Greyson the second the Reaper's started to whisper to him, but damn, even his death is looking at the guy who got him in the situation in the first place. I thought they may have been hinting that Nick may be a future lead character; and it turns out his starring scene is taking a bullet to the gut and barely surviving. Kahlee is a character that never really interested me, so can't really say I care that she is getting a somewhat happy ending.



Really, Anderson is the only character I was rooting for, and he got so-much-crap kicked out of him constantly in the book.



I miss Lemm. He was cool. Crazy quarian and his mad shotgun skillz.



I too would like to see Shepard and Leng throw down. Honestly, reading about him makes me think that in close-up it would probobly be Leng walking away. He specialises in melee combat; whereas Shepard is damn good (the Turians in Afterlife) but pretty all-around. Can't really say without it happening, but thats what sort of feel I got from the book. And I hate that, because I loathed Leng. xD

[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

Read it. I was hoping TIM would get killed during the Turian surprise attack. Goddamn Leng. It was good to see Anderson finally get some girl action. Goddamn took long enough.

Modifié par THEE_DEATHMASTER, 29 août 2010 - 12:58 .

[Count Viceroy]

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

It was good to see Anderson finally get some girl action. Goddamn took long enough.

You do realise that probably means we'll meet the most boring character ever made in Me3, right? 

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 29 août 2010 - 01:13 .

[Bad King]

Barquiel wrote...

raptor1906 wrote...

Hate them, love them would it matter when Bioware decides to make them the star of the show in Mass Effect 3?

Yes

Mass Effect 2, DLC (Overlord), the books, the new comic series -
starring Cerberus and TIM !

I want the option to kill Kai Leng and TIM (or give them to Aria), but...quite honestly...I am getting a bit tired of Cerberus.

If TIM is killed then Shepard will lose a powerful ally. When the galaxy is facing annihilation Shepard needs all the allies he can get, even morally questionable ones like TIM. Plus slaying TIM would probably be a renegade option- a Paragon would most likely imprisson him.

[swirlwind]

For me, the most interesting content in the book had to do with indoctrination. I believe it will be a major plot point in ME3 (or if not, that'll be a lamentable waste of great potential for drama), and it was intriguing to see how it affected Grayson and the people around him. By the end of the book, he exuded indoctrination, almost like he was contagious. Imagine how dangerous something like that could be if introduced to Shepard's team. I think in ME3, we'll see either a team member (perhaps even LI) indoctrinated (at least to some extent), or then Shepard herself. I always thought indoctrination was the most devastating and horrifying weapon in the Reapers' arsenal, and Grayson's fate reaffirmed that belief.

[Asheer_Khan]

cerberus a powerful ally???



Seriously folks... how someone can consider that single organization like cerberus which consisted maybe couple hundred people (assuming they didn't goes rogue yet like many previous cells) will be able to stop huge fleet of Reapers???



Yes you will say tech from C-Base will help us... fair in off under one exception.

IF there is some tech there then decoding any blueprints could take years and even that without any guarantee of success... UNLESS you will pull up another ID 4 stunt (crack alien code using laptop in 5 minutes) but that would be plain ridiculous degradation of this series....



I think LoTSB could give us some answers (IF playing post C-Base mission) about in what direction will go ME 3... but on the other hand maybe i expect too much (even with my already low level of expectation) that Bioware will gather in off courage to cut off this entire elegy to cerberus glory...

[Bad King]

Asheer_Khan wrote...

cerberus a powerful ally???

Seriously folks... how someone can consider that single organization like cerberus which consisted maybe couple hundred people (assuming they didn't goes rogue yet like many previous cells) will be able to stop huge fleet of Reapers???

Yes you will say tech from C-Base will help us... fair in off under one exception.
IF there is some tech there then decoding any blueprints could take years and even that without any guarantee of success... UNLESS you will pull up another ID 4 stunt (crack alien code using laptop in 5 minutes) but that would be plain ridiculous degradation of this series....

I think LoTSB could give us some answers (IF playing post C-Base mission) about in what direction will go ME 3... but on the other hand maybe i expect too much (even with my already low level of expectation) that Bioware will gather in off courage to cut off this entire elegy to cerberus glory...

They are a powerful ally in that they can provide very useful intel and tech. Despite being small, Cerberus is hugely influential with contacts and investors spread across the galaxy. Regardless of whether you kept or blew up the CB, Cerberus are still a technologically advanced faction- just look at EDI and the SR2 as examples (as well as all the dlc items they send us ). Cerberus will continue to research new technologies and perhaps supply us with tech that may give us an advantage over the reapers. As for intelligence, Cerberus provided us with info all the way through Mass Effect 2- much of it was vital in stopping the collectors.

[Randy1012]

If BioWare makes the mistake of making Kai Leng a squadmate in ME3, I hope we'll have the option of killing him or handing him over to Aria or something equally bad. What a disgusting waste of flesh.

But I kind of got the feeling that TIM was going to use Kai Leng to continue his experiments with Reaper technology. He at least got copies of his research data from Aria, and to me it felt like they were setting Kai Leng up to be the Dragon character in ME3. Which would be fine by me; ME2 lacked such a character, and suffered for it. Plus it would mean I'd get a chance to blow Kai Leng away.

[RiouHotaru]

Lellandra wrote...

Marta Rio wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

To the question about whether the Reapers will end up actually being "good" or "bad", quite honestly I think they'll end up being neither, and I don't think they're lying either. I think they believe what they are doing is both their and our salvation but just as they are unknowable to us we are unknowable to them, and they don't seem to comprehend the fact that we don't -want- to be like they are.

They think they're doing us a favour, basically.

I've been thinking the same thing since playing ME2, and the dialogue in Retribution reinforces it.  Frankly, I'd be very surprised if this isn't what is revealed in ME3. 

Yep, I agree with you two.

I believe when they created the human reaper they were "inviting" humanity to join their superior race and live forever with them as an equal. Even though making smoothies out of thousands of people is an abomination in our eyes, to them is just the way to reach salvation.

There's a TVTrope for this, and the Reapers are actually listed under this trope: http://tvtropes.org/...dOrangeMorality

[durasteel]

Kai Leng is no more loathsome than Zaeed Massani. They are both villains, the big difference is that Zaeed has a sense of humor.

[SphereofSilence]

Dave of Canada wrote...

And yes, this book still proves that Cerberus are incompetent at everything.

IMO, Cerberus is anything but incompetent. Being an enemy of all other alien species, as well as the Alliance, an entity being able to survive and even operate fluidly, steathily, and effciently for such a long time since its inception, that to me is already a big achievement. 

Setbacks will always happen, particularly an organization the nature of Cerberus is. The Illusive Man is smart, I'm sure he's taken the risks into consideration.

[achwas]

PrinceLionheart wrote...
I guess lucky for Shepard, Miranda was involved in the project since she seems to be the only competent Cerberus Operative.

Well, even Miranda confides to Shepard that Shepard + Normandy vs. Reapers is the smoothest and most successful Cerberus Operation she ever witnessed. Go figure.

But basically the books (and ME game-plot) overdo the "Cerberus = bumbling fools" shtick quite a bit. TIM seems smart enough to know what oversight and control is , and judging from the LotSB files Cerberus was quite successful in their operation - like taking control of the greater part of human-space's drug trade, assassinating ambassadors and council members, popes and other potentates...., as long as neither the books nor the ME game seems affected. but the easy and overdone plot-device is Cerberus lost control of the project..... fools !