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[Maugrim]

Yeah there are practically no time gaps at all in Retribution, certainly not of the two year variety.

[dreman9999]

Commdor wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Commdor wrote...

Question to those who have read the book (I'm still waiting on my copy to arrive): Is there by any chance a two-year gap between Grayson's capture by Cerberus and his escape?

The book says 'It had been almost three years since he had betrayed Cerberus for the sake of his daughter,'

Hope that helps as I'm not one to examine timelines too closely

I'm afraid that's just the gap between Ascension and the start of Retribution. I'm talking about a gap within Retribution itself. As it is, the beginning of Retribution is supposed to be 2186 (Ascension was in 2183, two months after the end of ME), and the Alliance hero is supposed to be dead in 2188, yet six months before Retribution happens. The dots aren't connecting.

I wish I had my copy, I'm missing something.

No gap. Retribution takes place 3 years and some months after ME1 and a few months after ME2.

[didymos1120]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Yeah, the books and comics are completely canon. Everything in them counts towards the storyline. Of course, that won't stop people from claiming you can't use information from them as evidence because "Mass Effect must stand on it's own," as though supplementary material wasn't admissible.

They can be and have been overriden by the games, though.  Especially Revelation.  Off the top of my head, in that novel:

Volus don't wear exosuits, though they still have special breathers.

Batarians have very long necks, short fur on their face, and "nostril slits" instead of the "vampire bat" thing they've got going on now.

The Council Chamber has amphitheater-style seating that can accommodate thousands.

The history of the Blue Suns doesn't match up all that well to either the true story (Zaeed co-founded it) or the fake one, as it's implied they've been around quite awhile and only "recently started taking on humans."  At that time, Zaeed would likely have just been ousted and it would have been the Batarians who were recently being taken on.

[dreman9999]

didymos1120 wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Yeah, the books and comics are completely canon. Everything in them counts towards the storyline. Of course, that won't stop people from claiming you can't use information from them as evidence because "Mass Effect must stand on it's own," as though supplementary material wasn't admissible.

They can be and have been overriden by the games, though.  Especially Revelation.  Off the top of my head, in that novel:

Volus don't wear exosuits, though they still have special breathers.

Batarians have very long necks, short fur on their face, and "nostril slits" instead of the "vampire bat" thing they've got going on now.

The Council Chamber has amphitheater-style seating that can accommodate thousands.

The history of the Blue Suns doesn't match up all that well to either the true story (Zaeed co-founded it) or the fake one, as it's implied they've been around quite awhile and only "recently started taking on humans."  At that time, Zaeed would likely have just been ousted and it would have been the Batarians who were recently being taken on.

Or the book takes place after the blue suns were created. Zaeed was on his revenge trip for 20 years and book takes place 20 years ago.

And the Bat thing the Bartarians have is nostril slits and short fur is on their faces.

Modifié par dreman9999, 29 juillet 2010 - 11:56 .

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Why did the Reapers want to go to the Ascension project



Seriously I don't see or understand any motive

[Foolsfolly]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Those books are great example how ME 2 could look if Drew K. remain as lead writer.

On the other hand... even revelation comic rises couple questions about TiM's true intention when comes to Shepard's body.

He didn't do absolute nothing to prevent Shepard's body leaving Omega despite fact that there was in off Cerberus operatives on Omega (including Miranda) to stop whole deal between mercs and SB emissary.... heck he even gives Miranda direct order NOT to interfere when Taz leaves Omega with Shepard's body...

His entire behavior made me like o_O when i compare those events to his juicy PR speech how Shepard is important for humanity during first meeting after Lazarus.

But i known one thing... pro cerberus people never accept those books as source of information about TiM...

But they're canon? That's like ignoring bad news, and pretending it didn't happen.

For myself, I fully acknowledge that the books in any game that has them are canon....but I don't like the practice at all. The important bits of the story needs to be in the games. It's not like movies pull this nonsense and plot points appear out of no where unless you read/collected a tie-end.

I don't like this practice at all. Which is why I only read outlines.

[dreman9999]

PKchu wrote...

Why did the Reapers want to go to the Ascension project

Seriously I don't see or understand any motive

Its not like they spent a 2 year getting as much data on humans as possible by kidnapping humans to study their genetics via grinder.
No way they would not want to know the latest info on Human biotic growth at all.

[dreman9999]

Foolsfolly wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Asheer_Khan wrote...

Those books are great example how ME 2 could look if Drew K. remain as lead writer.

On the other hand... even revelation comic rises couple questions about TiM's true intention when comes to Shepard's body.

He didn't do absolute nothing to prevent Shepard's body leaving Omega despite fact that there was in off Cerberus operatives on Omega (including Miranda) to stop whole deal between mercs and SB emissary.... heck he even gives Miranda direct order NOT to interfere when Taz leaves Omega with Shepard's body...

His entire behavior made me like o_O when i compare those events to his juicy PR speech how Shepard is important for humanity during first meeting after Lazarus.

But i known one thing... pro cerberus people never accept those books as source of information about TiM...

But they're canon? That's like ignoring bad news, and pretending it didn't happen.

For myself, I fully acknowledge that the books in any game that has them are canon....but I don't like the practice at all. The important bits of the story needs to be in the games. It's not like movies pull this nonsense and plot points appear out of no where unless you read/collected a tie-end.

I don't like this practice at all. Which is why I only read outlines.

It not like you never know what happens in the books. The games tell you what happens in the books you just don't have the details.(Like Anderson giving up a chance of becoming a spector to save Kahleen.)

[Legion 2.5]

I got a question for those who have read the book. How is the Anderson-Kahlee relationship presented in the book?

[dreman9999]

Shandepared wrote...

Honestly I never noticed any chemistry between the two. Then again it's been a long time since I read Revelation. I was also surprised to see Kahlee suddenly giving a **** about Grayson. In Ascension she was pretty eager to kill him. I actually disliked her for it since her grudge against him seemed rather selfish to me with her never stopping to consider how Grayson's death might affect Gillian.

The Grayson/Kahleen relationship was build up do to 3 years worth of bi-weekly calls by Grayson cheaking on her.
Grayson was not a bad guy, he was misguided. He even gave up seeing his daughter again to save her.
Also, the kiss between Kahleen and Anderson was on queue for 20 YEARS!!!!!!!!!

[Legion 2.5]

So there was a kiss between anderson and kahlee.

[dreman9999]

Legion 2.5 wrote...

I got a question for those who have read the book. How is the Anderson-Kahlee relationship presented in the book?

Like a reuniting old couple/former lovers. It was the down time that got them to gether not the damsil in distress nonsence in Reveilation. They just picked up where they left off.

[Legion 2.5]

So they did not coninue their romance together?

[dreman9999]

Legion 2.5 wrote...

So there was a kiss between anderson and kahlee.

About damn time, too. They're luck humans age slower in the Mass Effect universe.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2010 - 05:56 .

[dreman9999]

double post

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 juillet 2010 - 05:56 .

[Legion 2.5]

So, how far in the book those that take place? Probably near the end.

[dreman9999]

Legion 2.5 wrote...

So, how far in the book those that take place? Probably near the end.

200 pages in...give or take.

[Legion 2.5]

How many pages is the book itself?

[dreman9999]

Legion 2.5 wrote...

How many pages is the book itself?

......This Platforms purpose is not an Idex.

[Pacifien]

So the book seems to go into considerable detail about how indoctrination works and hints at aspects of humanity that seem to have the Reapers' attention. And the one guy who experiences all this is dead. And all that's left is uncollated data that doesn't even scratch the surface of what he learned. I'm not sure if dissecting the body is going to be more helpful than knowing the actual psychological process of it all.

I'm just trying to figure out the purpose of it all other than to hammer it home that, in his zeal for results at all costs, the Illusive Man yet again took one step forward and two steps back. I hate him. I hate him so much.

I hope he is that thorn in humanity's side until he dies from natural causes at the ripe old age of 150, though.

[dreman9999]

Pacifien wrote...

So the book seems to go into considerable detail about how indoctrination works and hints at aspects of humanity that seem to have the Reapers' attention. And the one guy who experiences all this is dead. And all that's left is uncollated data that doesn't even scratch the surface of what he learned. I'm not sure if dissecting the body is going to be more helpful than knowing the actual psychological process of it all.
I'm just trying to figure out the purpose of it all other than to hammer it home that, in his zeal for results at all costs, the Illusive Man yet again took one step forward and two steps back. I hate him. I hate him so much.
I hope he is that thorn in humanity's side until he dies from natural causes at the ripe old age of 150, though.

 He did everything to Grayson for revenge and to study the readers. I teared up when thay gave him red sand to break him so that he can be esaily indoctrinated. The one drug he fought so hard to break the habit of. He was given a fate worse than death.

[dreman9999]

Shandepared wrote...

Really? The Illusive Man was my favorite character in the book. He was no less ruthless but also willing to pick up a gun and fight, and even to sacrifice himself if need-be.

What, The Man was trying to servive. He was not in tne thick of it fighting a god fight, he was just trying to make it through the day.