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[dreman9999]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Shandepared wrote...

DaBigDragon wrote...

Also, WTF at Aria not being able to avenge her daughter's death. I felt terrible for her. Hopefully Kai Leng gets what's coming to him in ME3 or the next book.

Aria is a murderer and a thug, she deserves a gas chamber, not sympathy.

.....And what did she do to deserve this I may ask?
We never seen her kill anyone.

She rules OMEGA, the Terminus Citadel.

The Patriarch himself says she killed half his men, do you really believe that's all there is to it?

I am sorry, but I really could give a crap about her and her daughter. As for Gillian, there is no certainty the drugs were responsible for her continuing to be autistic. Sanders THINKS it might because of them, but Sanders also thinks it might because of the isolated environment, and from what I know about autism I think the latter is quite likely.

1.Patriarch tried to kill her. She did not intent to ever take him down. They were friends.
2.It Omega and she the law. Everyone she killed were gangs, mercs and drug lord. People Commander Shepard kills regulerly. She just keeps order. She's nuetal not Evil.

[dreman9999]

Shandepared wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1.Patriarch tried to kill her. She did not intent to ever take him down. They were friends.
2.It Omega and she the law. Everyone she killed were gangs, mercs and drug lord. People Commander Shepard kills regulerly. She just keeps order. She's nuetal not Evil.

Oh yeah, it was totally self defense how Aria took over Omega and became its biggest crime lord.

Ether that or die. Partich didn't give her a choice. He back stabed her.

[tonnactus]

Shandepared wrote...


How about she doesn't go to Omega and work for a criminal in the first place?

You mean like shepardt did it in MAss Effect 2?

[TMA LIVE]

dreman9999 wrote...

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dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Being in love? What? No....... She just cared for him.
She just cried over him because it was tragic and she understand everything that happened to him for giving up his daugter to him kicking his redsand habit. The have a bit of history and her good nature want to help him due to 3 years of vid mails and vid calls. If it was once every 3 month to a year I would understand but it was every 2 weeks for 3 years.
But NO SHE WAS NOT IT LOVE WITH HIM.
And the character development is fine.

Grayson feels dirty being with that asari after talking to Kahlee. And Kahlee seems to be debating if she has strong feelings for him.

And no the character development isn't fine. If I never read any of the other books, I wouldn't have cared about any of them besides Grayson. Example: Leng. Besides being a badass, a racist, and loyal to Cerberus, we don't know anything about him. How about Orinia? Know anything about her to remember? Or hell, do any of these characters grow or change besides Grayson?

.....Grayson felt dirty because he was cradle robbing. Liselle may have been older than him but she was around 100....a teenage for Asari. And we know what that means since ME1 with Liara.

No, he was thinking of Kahlee. Liselle even brought it up, and he even thought it.

He was thinking about his Daughter...... He call Kahleen and asked her about his daughter. And When he look at Liselle he was think that she was the same mental age of HIS DAUGHTER...

"Tonight, however, it felt wrong for some reason. Like he would be taking advantage of her somehow."

"You were talking to her again, weren't you? Your mystery women. You always get like this after you talk to her."

page 52....
Kahlee was a link ti his old life, speaking to her was a way to keep the connection with his daughter alive.

You never heard of, it started that way, but now it's more? You don't think people lie to themselves?

[dreman9999]

Shandepared wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ether that or die. Partich didn't give her a choice. He back stabed her.

How about she doesn't go to Omega and work for a criminal in the first place?

This is all clearly way over your head though.

I rest my case.

It already happened. Nothing we can do the change it. She's the boss andbrings order to Omega. Not like killing 100's, 1000's or Millions of people daily to do it.

[dreman9999]

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Being in love? What? No....... She just cared for him.
She just cried over him because it was tragic and she understand everything that happened to him for giving up his daugter to him kicking his redsand habit. The have a bit of history and her good nature want to help him due to 3 years of vid mails and vid calls. If it was once every 3 month to a year I would understand but it was every 2 weeks for 3 years.
But NO SHE WAS NOT IT LOVE WITH HIM.
And the character development is fine.

Grayson feels dirty being with that asari after talking to Kahlee. And Kahlee seems to be debating if she has strong feelings for him.

And no the character development isn't fine. If I never read any of the other books, I wouldn't have cared about any of them besides Grayson. Example: Leng. Besides being a badass, a racist, and loyal to Cerberus, we don't know anything about him. How about Orinia? Know anything about her to remember? Or hell, do any of these characters grow or change besides Grayson?

.....Grayson felt dirty because he was cradle robbing. Liselle may have been older than him but she was around 100....a teenage for Asari. And we know what that means since ME1 with Liara.

No, he was thinking of Kahlee. Liselle even brought it up, and he even thought it.

He was thinking about his Daughter...... He call Kahleen and asked her about his daughter. And When he look at Liselle he was think that she was the same mental age of HIS DAUGHTER...

"Tonight, however, it felt wrong for some reason. Like he would be taking advantage of her somehow."

"You were talking to her again, weren't you? Your mystery women. You always get like this after you talk to her."

page 52....
Kahlee was a link ti his old life, speaking to her was a way to keep the connection with his daughter alive.

You never heard of, it started that way, but now it's more? You don't think people lie to themselves?

....He was not in love with Kahlee. He was just thinking of his daughter.

[TMA LIVE]

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Being in love? What? No....... She just cared for him.
She just cried over him because it was tragic and she understand everything that happened to him for giving up his daugter to him kicking his redsand habit. The have a bit of history and her good nature want to help him due to 3 years of vid mails and vid calls. If it was once every 3 month to a year I would understand but it was every 2 weeks for 3 years.
But NO SHE WAS NOT IT LOVE WITH HIM.
And the character development is fine.

Grayson feels dirty being with that asari after talking to Kahlee. And Kahlee seems to be debating if she has strong feelings for him.

And no the character development isn't fine. If I never read any of the other books, I wouldn't have cared about any of them besides Grayson. Example: Leng. Besides being a badass, a racist, and loyal to Cerberus, we don't know anything about him. How about Orinia? Know anything about her to remember? Or hell, do any of these characters grow or change besides Grayson?

.....Grayson felt dirty because he was cradle robbing. Liselle may have been older than him but she was around 100....a teenage for Asari. And we know what that means since ME1 with Liara.

No, he was thinking of Kahlee. Liselle even brought it up, and he even thought it.

He was thinking about his Daughter...... He call Kahleen and asked her about his daughter. And When he look at Liselle he was think that she was the same mental age of HIS DAUGHTER...

"Tonight, however, it felt wrong for some reason. Like he would be taking advantage of her somehow."

"You were talking to her again, weren't you? Your mystery women. You always get like this after you talk to her."

page 52....
Kahlee was a link ti his old life, speaking to her was a way to keep the connection with his daughter alive.

You never heard of, it started that way, but now it's more? You don't think people lie to themselves?

....He was not in love with Kahlee. He was just thinking of his daughter.

When he has sex with blue hookers that look like 18 year olds?

[Maugrim]

Shandepared wrote...

You talk about her like she's an innocent victim in all this. Christ you're a ****ing moron.

For all the good it'll surely do me I'm going to politely ask you to leave this thread Shandepared., until such a time as you can respectfully debate the issues as other pro-Cerberus people have.  I will not respond to anything you have to say regarding this post, either positive or negative.  Do as you will.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 30 juillet 2010 - 11:23 .

[dreman9999]

Shandepared wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It already happened. Nothing we can do the change it. She's the boss andbrings order to Omega. Not like killing 100's, 1000's or Millions of people daily to do it.

She wanted to kill Grayson just because she couldn't dig up is past. You think that's the first time she's wanted to off somebody not because they betrayed her but just because she didn't know enough about them? I'll bet that in all the other cases her daughter wasn't there to stick up for them.

She's the crime boss of Omega. She's got blood on her hands and I guarantee you most of it didn't get there while she was defending herself.

You talk about her like she's an innocent victim in all this. Christ you're a ****ing moron.

1. She was being careful. I would not want someone in my  organization with a past so hidden that their very  genes were coverd up
2.I never called her a victim. Just that what she did is understandible.She not evil or innocent.
3.And it you think she is evil then your naive. Not point in insulting someone for not agreeing with you. You would have giving you daught to curberus to experiment on last time I checked.

[dreman9999]

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Being in love? What? No....... She just cared for him.
She just cried over him because it was tragic and she understand everything that happened to him for giving up his daugter to him kicking his redsand habit. The have a bit of history and her good nature want to help him due to 3 years of vid mails and vid calls. If it was once every 3 month to a year I would understand but it was every 2 weeks for 3 years.
But NO SHE WAS NOT IT LOVE WITH HIM.
And the character development is fine.

Grayson feels dirty being with that asari after talking to Kahlee. And Kahlee seems to be debating if she has strong feelings for him.

And no the character development isn't fine. If I never read any of the other books, I wouldn't have cared about any of them besides Grayson. Example: Leng. Besides being a badass, a racist, and loyal to Cerberus, we don't know anything about him. How about Orinia? Know anything about her to remember? Or hell, do any of these characters grow or change besides Grayson?

.....Grayson felt dirty because he was cradle robbing. Liselle may have been older than him but she was around 100....a teenage for Asari. And we know what that means since ME1 with Liara.

No, he was thinking of Kahlee. Liselle even brought it up, and he even thought it.

He was thinking about his Daughter...... He call Kahleen and asked her about his daughter. And When he look at Liselle he was think that she was the same mental age of HIS DAUGHTER...

"Tonight, however, it felt wrong for some reason. Like he would be taking advantage of her somehow."

"You were talking to her again, weren't you? Your mystery women. You always get like this after you talk to her."

page 52....
Kahlee was a link ti his old life, speaking to her was a way to keep the connection with his daughter alive.

You never heard of, it started that way, but now it's more? You don't think people lie to themselves?

....He was not in love with Kahlee. He was just thinking of his daughter.

When he has sex with blue hookers that look like 18 year olds?

What hooker? He had sex with  Liselle so he wouldn't take the redsand.

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dreman9999 wrote...
What hooker? He had sex with  Liselle so he wouldn't take the redsand.

They had lots of sex before then, and sometimes he turns her down because he talked to Kahlee, his mystery woman.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 juillet 2010 - 11:31 .

[Maugrim]

I would also ask for the rest of the people in this thread to keep it clean whether that means deleting quote pyramids from their posts or ignoring trolls posts. Thanks.

[dreman9999]

Shandepared wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

2.I never called her a victim. Just that what she did is understandible.She not evil or innocent.

No one is ever "evil" but they are guilty. Aria is guilty of a lot. Don't waste sympathy on her. How about instead you feel bad for the relatives of the turian soldiers she murdered?

True......but Turians are mitiary minded. They died in the servies. They will be honoured. On point, TIM had has hand in that too I believe. She had no info that they were directly with the hierarchy. But ofcourse she did not care. She was just tring to find her daughters killer.

[dreman9999]

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
What hooker? He had sex with  Liselle so he wouldn't take the redsand.

They had lots of sex before then, and sometimes he turns her down because he talked to Kahlee, his mystery woman.

So.......Girlfriends are hookers.

[TMA LIVE]

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
What hooker? He had sex with  Liselle so he wouldn't take the redsand.

They had lots of sex before then, and sometimes he turns her down because he talked to Kahlee, his mystery woman.

So.......Girlfriends are hookers.

She is called a hooker by other people in the book. They did have a relationship, and it wasn't a paid one if that's what you mean. I'm just saying he feels guilty when he's with another girl, when he was feelings for someone else.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 juillet 2010 - 11:38 .

[dreman9999]

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
What hooker? He had sex with  Liselle so he wouldn't take the redsand.

They had lots of sex before then, and sometimes he turns her down because he talked to Kahlee, his mystery woman.

So.......Girlfriends are hookers.

She is called a hooker by other people in the book. They did have a relationship, and it wasn't a paid one if that's what you mean. I'm just saying he feels guilty when he's with another girl, when he was feelings for someone else.

By one Guy who called all Asari ****s who then later kills her. Grayson never paid for sex. And was thinking about his daughter when he tured here down.He was depressed that he could not see her again. He thought about his daughter may time in the book. He call Kahlee out of guilt because he doesn't want her life ruin by the Illusive man.

[Maugrim]

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

So.......Girlfriends are hookers.

She is called a hooker by other people in the book. They did have a relationship, and it wasn't a paid one if that's what you mean. I'm just saying he feels guilty when he's with another girl, when he was feelings for someone else.

They were just using that as an insult.  It's quite common in various Mass Effect material since the asari have a very enlightened view of sexuality that frightens other species.  Not the mention a fair bit of woman hating.  To be fair younger asari often (but not always) exchange sex for some sort of profit in their younger years.  Hooking has several negative connotations that don't really fit a lot of these but it probably does in a few cases.  However it's quite clear that hooking or any other kid of sex for money is not Liselle's job as she currently works for Aria/Grayson is a mercenary capacity, so calling her a hooker is factually wrong.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 30 juillet 2010 - 11:49 .

[TMA LIVE]

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
What hooker? He had sex with  Liselle so he wouldn't take the redsand.

They had lots of sex before then, and sometimes he turns her down because he talked to Kahlee, his mystery woman.

So.......Girlfriends are hookers.

She is called a hooker by other people in the book. They did have a relationship, and it wasn't a paid one if that's what you mean. I'm just saying he feels guilty when he's with another girl, when he was feelings for someone else.

By one Guy who called all Asari ****s who then later kills her. Grayson never paid for sex. And was thinking about his daughter when he tured here down.He was depressed that he could not see her again. He thought about his daughter may time in the book. He call Kahlee out of guilt because he doesn't want her life ruin by the Illusive man.

No he was thinking about Kahlee, because they've been talking for 3 years, and he cared about her since the end of book 2. And that one guy wasn't the only guy. And Aria had her sleep with him as a spy.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 30 juillet 2010 - 11:46 .