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[DaringMoosejaw]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

Rubbish Hero wrote...

Icarus aimed high.

So Bioware setting high sale goals in order to keep the company working toward something will...result in them being set on fire? I don't think the analogy works.

Blizzard the sun, Bioware wax, wings EA, ground Mass Effect.
It's actually really clever when you think out it, probably the most clever.

So if they have optimistic goals, Blizzard will...set them on fire? Set EA on fire? Having the same sales goals as Blizzard results in doom? And doom means Mass Effect, because that's clearly such a failure on Bioware's part?

You must be on a rather interesting cocktail of pharmaceuticals.

[In Exile]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

In Exile wrote...Indeed. So the general concensus is that Mass Effect is the far superior game. Almost 10 points superior in rating, after all.

Diffrent set of reviewers, diffrent review counts.
No longer logical argument.

Okay. Mass Effect reviewers have special insight into the quality of games. Other reviewers - barely literatre and incapable of understanding games. Mass Effect is a game so superior other games shouldn't even be considered worthy to exist in its presence.

Stop digging your hole and introducing subjective standards to try and make yourself right.

[Svest]

TheMadCat wrote...
I take it you're not a proponent of people setting realistic goals, considering you just said he'd be a moron to expect all his titles to reach 10 million sales but agree with him setting such a goal.

And we're not looking far into anything, I'll reiterate myself once more we're simply discussing the merits and possibilities of a single player western RPG hitting 10 million sales.

Again, how exactly is it unrealistic for a developer with the financial backing and talent Bioware has access to to want to sell 10 million games?  I said he would be a moron to expect ALL titles to reach 10 million.  Not to have A title that reaches 10 million sales.  Again, basic reading comprehension goes a long way.

Whose to say the thing they want to reach that goal isn't, say, DA2 or ME3? Again there is nothing specific attached to the number, it's simply the number he views as a major hit and he'd like some BioWare games to reach it. And again, we're looking at the possibility of a western single player RPG reaching that number. I still don't understand why you or anyone else would have a problem with us debating whether it's a reasonable goal for games in this genre.

I already explained whose to say he's not talking about DA2 or ME3.  The fact that the man isn't a compete moron combined with basic reading skills. 

Also, I never said I had a problem with you debating.  I just said the thread was funny and stupid, which it is.  When you have people misunderstanding what the man said, then twisting it around to fit into their doomsday prophecies in my book that qualifies as both funny and stupid.  People took him saying "I want to make a game that sells 10 million copies" and twisted it to "DA2 must sell 10 million copies.  In order to do this we are going to dumb it down to sell to 'the least common denominator' and destroy the franchise."  Not only is a giant leap of logic like that stupid, but the idea itself is pretty damn elitest.  When people say something both elitest and stupid at the same time I find it to be quite hilarious.

[Vandrayke]

Svest wrote...

  When people say something both elitest and stupid at the same time I find it to be quite hilarious.

lol you must really laugh your ass off on these forums then

[Svest]

Vandrayke wrote...

Svest wrote...

  When people say something both elitest and stupid at the same time I find it to be quite hilarious.

lol you must really laugh your ass off on these forums then

Yes.. yes I do.

[Rubbish Hero]

In Exile wrote... Okay. Mass Effect reviewers have special insight into the quality of games

No, they just give general indication. This point is also bad logic. Please stop arguing, I am correct, the world agrees and I am correct and we are now moving on.

[Grommash94]

Rubbish Hero wrote...

In Exile wrote... Okay. Mass Effect reviewers have special insight into the quality of games

 Please stop arguing, I am correct, the world agrees and I am correct and we are now moving on.

Very sound logic there. Really.

[Rubbish Hero]

Modifié par Rubbish Hero, 30 juillet 2010 - 04:43 .

[TheMadCat]

Svest wrote...



Again, how exactly is it unrealistic for a developer with the financial backing and talent Bioware has access to to want to sell 10 million games?  I said he would be a moron to expect ALL titles to reach 10 million.  Not to have A title that reaches 10 million sales.  Again, basic reading comprehension goes a long way.

When have I ever said he's expecting all his titles to sell 10 million, I don't know what the man is expecting and neither do you. There is nothing in the article that hints at what game, how many games, what types of games, ect. that he would like to be a major hit, which in his definition is apparently 10 million sales.

Could you use your vastly superior reading skills and show my ignorant self by hightly exactly where he said he wants ONE title that IS NOT Dragon Age 2 to sell 10 million units, because I've read this article several times and once again it's incredibly vague

I already explained whose to say he's not talking about DA2 or ME3.  The fact that the man isn't a compete moron combined with basic reading skills. 

Seems to me you're assuming what he meant based on what you read, which is exactly what I did.

Also, I never said I had a problem with you debating.  I just said the thread was funny and stupid, which it is.  When you have people misunderstanding what the man said, then twisting it around to fit into their doomsday prophecies in my book that qualifies as both funny and stupid.  People took him saying "I want to make a game that sells 10 million copies" and twisted it to "DA2 must sell 10 million copies.  In order to do this we are going to dumb it down to sell to 'the least common denominator' and destroy the franchise."  Not only is a giant leap of logic like that stupid, but the idea itself is pretty damn elitest.  When people say something both elitest and stupid at the same time I find it to be quite hilarious.

You're certainly acting like you've got a problem with it, but that's besides the point. May I ask why you're lumping those of us simply debating the merits and possibility of a 10 million unit goal for a single player Western RPG with those crying foul and doom? In case you haven't realized, the two don't necessairly go hand in hand.

[Svest]

TheMadCat wrote...

When have I ever said he's expecting all his titles to sell 10 million, I don't know what the man is expecting and neither do you. There is nothing in the article that hints at what game, how many games, what types of games, ect. that he would like to be a major hit, which in his definition is apparently 10 million sales.

When did I ever say that you said that?  I was simply responding to the comment you made that said "you just said he'd be a moron to expect all his titles to reach 10 million sales but agree with him setting such a goal."  When I did no such thing.  I said he would be a moron to expect all his titles to sell 10 million units, but I agree with him setting the goal of developing a title that sells 10 million units.  Yet again this is basic reading comprehension.

Could you use your vastly superior reading skills and show my ignorant self by hightly exactly where he said he wants ONE title that IS NOT Dragon Age 2 to sell 10 million units, because I've read this article several times and once again it's incredibly vague

He was asked what he would call a major hit.  He said 10 million sales.  The man never even once mentioned DA2 in response to that question.  To think he's talking about DA2 is making a huge leap of logic.  Again, you are simply straining to read too much into the comments for some sort of connection to DA2 when there is none. 

Seems to me you're assuming what he meant based on what you read, which is exactly what I did.

No, actually I read it and made no assumptions.  I simply took it for what he said, that he wants to make a game that sells 10 million units.  You are the one trying to do mental gymnastics to give his comments some sort of connection to DA2.

You're certainly acting like you've got a problem with it, but that's besides the point. May I ask why you're lumping those of us simply debating the merits and possibility of a 10 million unit goal for a single player Western RPG with those crying foul and doom? In case you haven't realized, the two don't necessairly go hand in hand.

I'm not lumping anyone in with anyone.  I even said "If you are being constructive then you don't fall into that category."  "That category" referring to the morons screaming doom and gloom.  Again, it is you who is making assumptions and leaps of logic.  Either that or simply not reading or failing to comprehend.

[Haexpane]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

What's wrong with aiming high? That's what you're supposed to do.

Depends on what you're aiming for.

Yes you want to sell a lot of games, but I'd rather the "goal" be the highest quality RPG instead of selling the most units.

You know what sells a lot of units?  DRAGON BALL, and that is some of the worst anime ever.

Back Street Boyz sold a lot of CDs,  McDonalds sells a lot of hamburgers.  Being hugely popular doenst mean something is bad or good.  But historically, a LOT of bad/mediocre stuff is hugely popular.

True Blood is 100x better than Twighlight, but Twightlight does better sales.  Does that mean Dragon Age should be changed into something geared for stupid tweener depressed girls?

I'm not saying that IS happening w/ DA2 but if sales is your main goal, then you'd be smart to license Twighlight and make it a Facebook/iPhone game

[Grommash94]

Haexpane wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

What's wrong with aiming high? That's what you're supposed to do.

Depends on what you're aiming for.

Yes you want to sell a lot of games, but I'd rather the "goal" be the highest quality RPG instead of selling the most units.

No reason why you can't aim for both though.

[Haexpane]

Grommash94 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

What's wrong with aiming high? That's what you're supposed to do.

Depends on what you're aiming for.

Yes you want to sell a lot of games, but I'd rather the "goal" be the highest quality RPG instead of selling the most units.

No reason why you can't aim for both though.

Well we have ot assume they are aiming for both.  but RPG fans know deep down that there is RPG hate out there and a desire from Publishers to "merge" all niche markets into one giant cash cow.

How many times have we read bogus PR stories about "Genres disappearing/merging"  to excuse turning an RPG into a Shooter or dumbing down a RTS.

Games like Diablo, BG2, WoW, StarCraft show us you can stay true to a genre, and sell well.

We are hoping DA2 does this.  The latest comments I've read on combat are very encouraging.

Gamespot stated in their preview "The combat has changed, but it's not turned into hack and slash" - paraphrased

With that, I am feeling very encouraged

[Sharn01]

Haexpane wrote...

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

What's wrong with aiming high? That's what you're supposed to do.

Depends on what you're aiming for.

Yes you want to sell a lot of games, but I'd rather the "goal" be the highest quality RPG instead of selling the most units.

You know what sells a lot of units?  DRAGON BALL, and that is some of the worst anime ever.

Back Street Boyz sold a lot of CDs,  McDonalds sells a lot of hamburgers.  Being hugely popular doenst mean something is bad or good.  But historically, a LOT of bad/mediocre stuff is hugely popular.

True Blood is 100x better than Twighlight, but Twightlight does better sales.  Does that mean Dragon Age should be changed into something geared for stupid tweener depressed girls?

I'm not saying that IS happening w/ DA2 but if sales is your main goal, then you'd be smart to license Twighlight and make it a Facebook/iPhone game

Basicly this, if the only steak restaurant in town changes into a McDonalds because the owner wants to make more money the people in town cant really stop him.  Hopefully someone else picks up the slack and opens up a steak restaurant, otherwise there will be a market left without a place to eat a good meal.

[DarthRomance]

I think it will sell 4-5 million. The new 360 is gonna increase sales of games. However, it will not be that big a boost to DA because it is an RPG and most serious gamers do not prioritize rpgs. The customers for this are rpg gamers and casual gamers.



Also Twilight is just as good as Bioware games. It is all fantasy fulfillment, so stop hating. Now if you are gonna compare to real art, I guess maybe you could say Twilight pales a little. But it is still good.

[Haexpane]

DarthRomance wrote...

 
Also Twilight is just as good as Bioware games.

Time to delete the internet

[SOLID_EVEREST]

I just started looking at other video game sales figures, and I can't believe how close to impossible 10 million units is...

[formshifter]

The Witcher was one of the most original games in the last couple of years, it is considered excellent by most who play it, and it *still* only made 1.5 million sales worldwide. Even if it *was* a PC exclusive, I think that should be considered a hit (unless you are, or fantasize about being, Blizzard).



I don't think that DA2 will get to 10 million. It will be lucky to reach 5 in my opinion.

[yahoocom1984]

10 million sellers?? Not likely

[yahoocom1984]

formshifter wrote...

The Witcher was one of the most original games in the last couple of years, it is considered excellent by most who play it, and it *still* only made 1.5 million sales worldwide. Even if it *was* a PC exclusive, I think that should be considered a hit (unless you are, or fantasize about being, Blizzard).

I don't think that DA2 will get to 10 million. It will be lucky to reach 5 in my opinion.

Yeah, DA2 mostly will sell 5 million copies and Mass effect 3 will sell under 4 million copies

[P_k_r]

10 million is unrealistic for a single-player game. Heck, it's a challenge for a MMO. The Blizzard trend is all too evident nowadays, but I seriously doubt any game will sell as well as WoW did. Good or not, it was a unique phenomenon in the gaming industry (and culture for that matter). I can't see any games dethroning it in that regard soon.

[Russalka]

It is the necromancing hour.

[Moondoggie]

DarthRomance wrote...

I think it will sell 4-5 million. The new 360 is gonna increase sales of games. However, it will not be that big a boost to DA because it is an RPG and most serious gamers do not prioritize rpgs. The customers for this are rpg gamers and casual gamers.

Also Twilight is just as good as Bioware games. It is all fantasy fulfillment, so stop hating. Now if you are gonna compare to real art, I guess maybe you could say Twilight pales a little. But it is still good.

Oh you little lamb aren't you cute XD

"Serious" gamers have been obsessing over RPG's since the 80's while the casual gamers played on their simple Pac Man games. Now casual gamers are buying their FPS games which is why those games sell really well.

Serious gaming is a niche that generally includes RPG's and has done for years. You get some casuals playing RPG's but they are never as passionate about them as serious gamers. And most of them don't have the gaming skill to even play them in the first place.

I don't think the new X Box 360 will increase sales on that platform by any significant ammount. Personally i'm expecting a bigger increase in early sales to be on the PC platform the ultimate edition has pulled in a lot more PC gamers to DA than their already were and many of them will be buying DA2.

That said  personally i think if they get 5 million sales accross all platforms they have done well with an increase to 1.75 million to 2 milllion sales on PC and then everyone can have a nice pat on the back.

[efrgfhnm_]

Another thread resurrected haha

On topic, I think it seems extremely unlikely that DA or ME will achieve 10 million sales. I Think they will both sell millions, which is still a huge success. Mass Effect will sell around the 5 mill mark, DA around 4, in my opinion anyway, and based on the fact ME2 sold 2 million as quickly as it did.

[efrgfhnm_]

DarthRomance wrote...

I think it will sell 4-5 million. The new 360 is gonna increase sales of games. However, it will not be that big a boost to DA because it is an RPG and most serious gamers do not prioritize rpgs. The customers for this are rpg gamers and casual gamers.

Also Twilight is just as good as Bioware games. It is all fantasy fulfillment, so stop hating. Now if you are gonna compare to real art, I guess maybe you could say Twilight pales a little. But it is still good.

Just wanted to quote this because of the rage it made me feel
A twilight fan?? Not only that, but one who thinks it is in the same league as a Bioware game????
In fact, I can't see anything in this post that is right. Serious gamers do not prioritise rpgs?? Then who the hell does? Its serious gamers who buy the rpgs, while casuals either don't play or play for an hour and give up