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[dreman9999]

Wait, If we give Saran a class (based on the class select in ME)......What class would he be?



He used tech skills and biotics in the ME1 and in ME: Revelations he used assault rifles and sniper rifles.

[dreman9999]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Maybe Saren was a female?!!?

J/K, he's refered to with male pronouns.

Perhaps Turians don't distinguish between their sexes in their pronouns? Perhaps the differences between the sexes are so minor than their culture never developed language to differentiate. 

Sure, Garrus does but he takes up with femshep and is clearly a deviant.

ME:Retribution says yes they do. The females look and sound different than males.

[SandTrout]

Saren: Turian Badass

[dreman9999]

SandTrout wrote...

Saren: Turian Badass

I say he's a super sentinel.

[Whatever42]

dreman9999 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Maybe Saren was a female?!!?

J/K, he's refered to with male pronouns.

Perhaps Turians don't distinguish between their sexes in their pronouns? Perhaps the differences between the sexes are so minor than their culture never developed language to differentiate. 

Sure, Garrus does but he takes up with femshep and is clearly a deviant.

ME:Retribution says yes they do. The females look and sound different than males.

That's why I don't read the books. They dash too many of my brilliant theories.

[didymos1120]

chapa3 wrote...

Well, all species can feature biotics in varying frequency.

Yeah I know that, and you know that, but this all got started with Mallissin declaring there were no turian biotics, period, which is why the Reapers don't like them.  I then pointed out that the codex explicitly refers to the turian military having biotic units, and I also put up a screencap from ME1 of Saren on Virmire with the biotic aura thing going on.  Mallissin then objected that the info in the codex might just be "propaganda" the Alliance fell for or something and that Saren was too altered to count.  Then someone else mentioned that a Cerberus Daily News article explicitly mentions some turian biotics who were killed in the fighting on Taetrus. That was then taken as more evidence that they didn't really exist.  Don't ask me how that makes sense.  I'm guessing because them being dead is too "convenient" or something, and therefore you can't verify that they were really biotics. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 01 août 2010 - 05:28 .

[chapa3]

A quarian can be a biotic if he/she is VERY lucky.

[dreman9999]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Maybe Saren was a female?!!?

J/K, he's refered to with male pronouns.

Perhaps Turians don't distinguish between their sexes in their pronouns? Perhaps the differences between the sexes are so minor than their culture never developed language to differentiate. 

Sure, Garrus does but he takes up with femshep and is clearly a deviant.

ME:Retribution says yes they do. The females look and sound different than males.

That's why I don't read the books. They dash too many of my brilliant theories.

And they don't have boobs.

[dreman9999]

chapa3 wrote...

A quarian can be a biotic if he/she is VERY lucky.

Quarian......Biotic.........

[atheelogos]

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

How come when Sovereign possesses Saren, killing Saren kills Sovereign, but when Harbinger possesses a Collector drone, killing the drone doesn't kill Harbinger.

I think it was just a coincidence with Saren and Sov.

This. Killing Saren did nothing. Sovereign was already taking fire for good long time.
And btw Joker killed Sovereign. Watch again.
www.youtube.com/watch

[FuturePasTimeCE]

atheelogos wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

How come when Sovereign possesses Saren, killing Saren kills Sovereign, but when Harbinger possesses a Collector drone, killing the drone doesn't kill Harbinger.

I think it was just a coincidence with Saren and Sov.

This. Killing Saren did nothing. Sovereign was already taking fire for good long time.
And btw Joker killed Sovereign. Watch again.
www.youtube.com/watch

joker is just the pilot... the ship's crew who operates the guns killed sovereign, not the guy driving the ship...  they should use the regular shephard face.

how come they don't have lasers or photon/proton torpedoes but only missiles? 

Modifié par FuturePasTimeCE, 01 août 2010 - 02:49 .

[tonnactus]

atheelogos wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

How come when Sovereign possesses Saren, killing Saren kills Sovereign, but when Harbinger possesses a Collector drone, killing the drone doesn't kill Harbinger.

I think it was just a coincidence with Saren and Sov.

This. Killing Saren did nothing. Sovereign was already taking fire for good long time.
And btw Joker killed Sovereign. Watch again.
www.youtube.com/watch

The developers theirself comfirmed in the old forums that destroying the souvereign avatar was the key in destroying
the reaper.Not the concentrated fire the ship just shrug off and destroyed aliiance ships with ease.

The pilots theirself just sayed: "The souvereign is too strong".

Modifié par tonnactus, 01 août 2010 - 04:07 .

[SandTrout]

tonnactus wrote...
The developers theirself comfirmed in the old forums that destroying the souvereign avatar was the key in destroying
the reaper.Not the concentrated fire the ship just shrug off and destroyed aliiance ships with ease.

The pilots theirself just sayed: "Sovereign is too strong".

Fix'd

Also, if true, that's REALLY bad writing. It makes no sense for Sovereign to expose himself to being defeated by infantry if he could just sit back and pound starships to pieces. I had always just assumed it was a dramatic device to make the climax that much more intense.

[Mallissin]

didymos1120 wrote...

chapa3 wrote...

Well, all species can feature biotics in varying frequency.

I'm guessing because them being dead is too "convenient" or something, and therefore you can't verify that they were really biotics. 

You need to read more spy novels.

[dreman9999]

tonnactus wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

How come when Sovereign possesses Saren, killing Saren kills Sovereign, but when Harbinger possesses a Collector drone, killing the drone doesn't kill Harbinger.

I think it was just a coincidence with Saren and Sov.

This. Killing Saren did nothing. Sovereign was already taking fire for good long time.
And btw Joker killed Sovereign. Watch again.
www.youtube.com/watch

The developers theirself comfirmed in the old forums that destroying the souvereign avatar was the key in destroying
the reaper.Not the concentrated fire the ship just shrug off and destroyed aliiance ships with ease.

The pilots theirself just sayed: "The souvereign is too strong".

It's key due to the fact that killing the avatar stuns the reaper.

[wizardryforever]

SandTrout wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
The developers theirself comfirmed in the old forums that destroying the souvereign avatar was the key in destroying
the reaper.Not the concentrated fire the ship just shrug off and destroyed aliiance ships with ease.

The pilots theirself just sayed: "Sovereign is too strong".

Fix'd

Also, if true, that's REALLY bad writing. It makes no sense for Sovereign to expose himself to being defeated by infantry if he could just sit back and pound starships to pieces. I had always just assumed it was a dramatic device to make the climax that much more intense.

I think the justification for Saren's reanimation was that Sovereign needed someone inside the Citadel to work to controls from that end.  And since Shepard rudely interrupted Saren, Sovereign had to employ desperate measures to get to the control panel to open the relay.  I'm sure that wasn't part of the original plan, but Shepard had to go and muck things up.

[scorptatious]

Ah yes: "Plot explanation" In which we try to make sense out of a key point of a plot that didn't make sense to us.



We have dismissed that claim...

[tonnactus]

SandTrout wrote...


Also, if true, that's REALLY bad writing. It makes no sense for Sovereign to expose himself to being defeated by infantry if he could just sit back and pound starships to pieces.

No,the souvereign couldnt.Vigil himself said,that even a reaper couldnt hold off the united starfleets of all races alone.
Shepardt got the control back over the citadel, open their arms and the mass relay again.The citadel fleet wasnt all that the other races had to other,and only the fifth fleet of the humans arrived and attack(so there are other fleets as well).By the time others would come, help and that would be to much. So the souvereign had to take the risk of using the avatar.

[atheelogos]

tonnactus wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

How come when Sovereign possesses Saren, killing Saren kills Sovereign, but when Harbinger possesses a Collector drone, killing the drone doesn't kill Harbinger.

I think it was just a coincidence with Saren and Sov.

This. Killing Saren did nothing. Sovereign was already taking fire for good long time.
And btw Joker killed Sovereign. Watch again.
www.youtube.com/watch

The developers theirself comfirmed in the old forums that destroying the souvereign avatar was the key in destroying
the reaper.Not the concentrated fire the ship just shrug off and destroyed aliiance ships with ease.

The pilots theirself just sayed: "The souvereign is too strong".

Quote or it didn't happen.

[atheelogos]

SandTrout wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
The developers theirself comfirmed in the old forums that destroying the souvereign avatar was the key in destroying
the reaper.Not the concentrated fire the ship just shrug off and destroyed aliiance ships with ease.

The pilots theirself just sayed: "Sovereign is too strong".

Fix'd

Also, if true, that's REALLY bad writing. It makes no sense for Sovereign to expose himself to being defeated by infantry if he could just sit back and pound starships to pieces.

this!

[didymos1120]

Mallissin wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

chapa3 wrote...

Well, all species can feature biotics in varying frequency.

I'm guessing because them being dead is too "convenient" or something, and therefore you can't verify that they were really biotics. 

You need to read more spy novels.

ME's not a spy novel.  Their tropes don't automatically apply.

Modifié par didymos1120, 01 août 2010 - 06:56 .

[Whatever42]

atheelogos wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

tonnactus wrote...
The developers theirself comfirmed in the old forums that destroying the souvereign avatar was the key in destroying
the reaper.Not the concentrated fire the ship just shrug off and destroyed aliiance ships with ease.

The pilots theirself just sayed: "Sovereign is too strong".

Fix'd

Also, if true, that's REALLY bad writing. It makes no sense for Sovereign to expose himself to being defeated by infantry if he could just sit back and pound starships to pieces.

this!

I'm going to play devil's advocate.

The goal of the attack on the Citadel was to open the relay to bring back the Reapers from dark space. To do that, he needed to reprogram the citadel from the tower. A lengthy pitched battle might obliterate the tower, taking many years for the keepers to repair it.  It made sense for sovereign to create an avatar in the tower and try for a quick solution. He just didn't expect a super hero to be waiting for him.

[Mallissin]

didymos1120 wrote...

Mallissin wrote...

You need to read more spy novels.

ME's not a spy novel.  Their tropes don't automatically apply.

Then how come so much of ME2's codex is propoganda and not accurate? It's safe to assume that the ME1 codex wasn't any more objective.

[chapa3]

Malissin, it is the codex given to a commanding officer, not a grunt. Its safe to say that it is accurate.

[JamesCice]

There is a strong possibility that the creators were running out of legitimate reasons that humans were the best choice for the Reapers over all the rest; however, I think we can ourselves comprehend why. One thing is that the Turians are stereotypically calm, some say cold but normally calculated. Humans on the other hand often use passion in battle and life and krogan do even more. Harbinger notes that "should emotional drives be subjugated" when referring to human potential. Turians are good commanders but they may lack the raw potential of having as much passion in their efforts as humans do. Also, turians have been bred to have a very distinct honour system during war while humans in war are normally a "by any means necessary" being compared to other species except the krogan. Humans also seem to be better adaptable than turians and can fill every class, though they are moderate (from the ME3 strategy book). Another reason might be because we are literally the simplest to subjugate and have "impressive genetic malleability."
At the same time, if the Reapers truly wanted to they could force the turians to be whatever they wanted, consdiering the differences between humans and them are minimal. There is a strong possibility humans are more susceptible, considering the vast numbers of husks they have but the low number of turians they employ even though millions must've been captured.
By the way, the Asari are my favourite race. They are intelligent and the calpable inheritors of the main Prothean race having learned the most from their artifacts. Their biotic skill is incredible and even the Reapers were having trouble conquering Thessia because of that while humans stood little chance. They do technically need to mate with other races to keep their genetics strong as they could easily become purebred and have limited strength in their genes. The best example is the ardukt-yakshi who can only be bore by two purebred Asari. When Morinth said "we are the genetic destiny of the Asari" and Samari dismissed it as lunacy, there may be truth that if they continued to mate within their own species this genetic abnormality could become an increasingly common strain.