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[tez19]

Mirander wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

It's an interesting question. Where could they have gotten the qunari from, if there were no qunari in Thedas at the time..

In your statemant you implied that qunari came from another world

Thedas is the continent, not the world.

lol, i thought you would know this kordaris, it would be something if the qunari came from another world and had ufo's. they would be the most advanced race then lol!

and why can't qunari be the most advanced race AND look barbaric warriors??
i think its a nice twist.
or do you think qunari should be sipping tea and dress in suits because they are the most advanced race?

[Bryy_Miller]

filetemo wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

filetemo wrote...

I consider a retcon the fact that something who plays an important role now, was never mentioned earlier, even if "we never said it wasn't like this"

But that's not what retcon means.

.English is not my first language, not even my second, but I get the point of what they mean

Obviously, you don't. If we had been told that Qunari never had horns in DA:O, then it would be a retcon.

[twincast]

The point is that the darkspawn keep the dwarves at constant war for survival, while the qunari have no such problem and thus an unfair advantage that renders your earlier point moot.

edit: referring to this post, by the way:

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

And, erm, how does gunpowder help anyone besides the Qunari? They aren't sharing it with anyone.

How does it change their status as more advanced?

Golems are not lost lore, as it was discovered how to make them again...which, you know

Only with the use of anvil which they can't replicate-thus lost lore.

The dwarves are also the ones always fighting the darkspawn, making sure they don't constantly stream above.

That is highly unlikely since they have only two cities in existance in secluded areas of Thedas with one almost completely isolated. Most of Thedas is beyond their reach actually.

Modifié par twincast, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:05 .

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

And, erm, how does gunpowder help anyone besides the Qunari? They aren't sharing it with anyone.

How does it change their status as more advanced?

Golems are not lost lore, as it was discovered how to make them again...which, you know

Only with the use of anvil which they can't replicate-thus lost lore.

The dwarves are also the ones always fighting the darkspawn, making sure they don't constantly stream above.

That is highly unlikely since they have only two cities in existance in secluded areas of Thedas with one almost completely isolated. Most of Thedas is beyond their reach actually.

You still aren't answering what the Qunari have done besides gunpowder, and how it helps anyone besides themselves, as you say that smokeless coal is of no use to anyone else besides the dwarves themselves. Or how gunpowder is a better advancement than Golems (whether the lore exists or not is irrelevant, and you know it) or lyrium powder to help mages and enchanters.

[Noviere]

I like the new look. The old qunari looked like ugly humans.

[Sneelonz]

I don't mind the horns, but Bioware really overdid it with the muscles and paint. If they were tan, it would be a lot more consistent.



This change is almost as big as what Bethesda did with the Argonians and the Khajiit.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

twincast wrote...

cannons don't exactly scream great idea to me in a subterranean environment.

Collapsing passageways, excavating minerals, making explosive traps-all great uses for gunpowder below.

Cannons can be used as explosive traps? Because thats all the Qunari use gunpowder for. Cannons. They don't have any other use for it.

[andar91]

Noviere wrote...

I like the new look. The old qunari looked like ugly humans.

I know this is off-topic, but oh my god I love your avatar!!!

[David Gaider]

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

It's an interesting question. Where could they have gotten the qunari from, if there were no qunari in Thedas at the time..

In your statemant you implied that qunari came from another world

Err... perhaps you inferred that they came from another world. We've said that qunari arrived on the continent of Thedas from elsewhere just over three hundred years ago. Nothing more.

[Grommash94]

filaminstrel wrote...

Would it be a retcon if we were told that all Qunari have horns, and Sten has horns, and the only reason we didn't see it in DAO was because of the stylistic difference? It would basically amount to the same changes made to the darkspawn, then, unless they have an explanation for those changes as well. Were those changes a retcon?

That is a retcon. Yes. The Qunari one isn't though.

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

How does it change their status as more advanced?

Because you think smokeless coal doesn't count since only the dwarves use it. It's useful to anyone working in a mine.

Only with the use of anvil which they can't replicate-thus lost lore.

...The Anvil is how they do it. You don't know what into making the Anvil. Maybe it can only be done once. If the qunari lost the ability to make gunpowder, do their cannons count? At least golems are still operatable with a control rod.

Smokeless coals is without any use for people living above the
surface. Golems are a lost lore. Lyrium might be useful, but in the end
the dwarfs have two cities left, the Qunari their empire and lands
conquered, so the lyrium doesn't seem to be that powerful compared to
firearms.

The qunari aren't fighting darkspawn--they don't even seem to know what they are. They've never faced a Blight.

[twincast]

Kordaris wrote...

twincast wrote...

cannons don't exactly scream great idea to me in a subterranean environment.

Collapsing passageways, excavating minerals, making explosive traps-all great uses for gunpowder below.

I said cannons, not gun powder, did I not?
But just as well: These uses need a high degree of sophistication the qunari haven't quite reached yet either.
And even so - for safety reasons people go above ground before explosion, dwarves can't do that, nor can they afford to throw away lives any more than they already do.

[jjbens]

Just think that a race where you only saw i member of it has competely change so there is going to be alot more to do with them and imagin dwarves and elves cant wait to see what they look like

[Brockololly]

My main concern with this "hot rod samurai" art style change is continuity and familiarity. If you had shown me just a picture of the new Qunari a couple days ago and asked me what it was, I would have said BioWare made a new race for DA2. Honestly. The new art just isn't doing it for me- it just reminds me of the change from Prince of Persia: Sands of Time to Warrior Within- complete 180 in the art to "amp" things up, for no apparent reason.

Just tell me this Gaider: If we possibly run into old companions or go into old locales from Origins, will we still recognize them? Mainly, if Hawke runs into Morrigan, Alistair, Zevran or Leliana will their faces and facial structure still be the same? I don't care if they have new hair or new clothes, but I'd rather like to be able to recognize old faces without having thought they went through massive reconstructive surgery.
Thanks.

Modifié par Brockololly, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:06 .

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...


You still aren't answering what the Qunari have done besides gunpowder, and how it helps anyone besides themselves

How does it change their status as most advanced civilization? Advancement isn't measured by helping other cultures.

as you say that smokeless coal is of no use to anyone else besides the dwarves themselves

Well you misunderstood me.Their coal is only useful beneath the surface. And true it requires chemistry. Gunpowder weapons require engineering, metallurgy, chemistry, maths. As you they are more complicated devices.

Or how gunpowder is a better advancement than Golems (whether the lore exists or not is irrelevant, and you know it)

Relevant since they no longer have and thus are no longer most advanced. Anyway a Golem needs more resources and effort than a cannon ball or bomb that will destroy him.

or lyrium powder to help mages and enchanters.

Mages take years to train, often fail, and use up their powers quickly. Training a unit of gunners will take considerably less time, and their fire power will be often equal to average mage,without dangers of abomination.

The qunari only have cannons. The dwarves have made advancements in culture, mining, fighting, lyrium...all these accomplishments versus one that is used only for war.

And the reason the Qunari lost, btw, was the fact that Thedas used mages. Magic>cannons.  Which, again, is the only gunpowder using device they have. Even though a DWARF created explosives (which are more useful than cannons) in Awakening.

[Jimmy Fury]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...



Smokeless coal. Golems. Lyrium working. Need I go on? 

Smokeless coals is without any use for people living above the surface. Golems are a lost lore. Lyrium might be useful, but in the end the dwarfs have two cities left, the Qunari their empire and lands conquered, so the lyrium doesn't seem to be that powerful compared to firearms.

Incorrect sir.
"Several Exalted Marches have been waged against them and they've lost much land in Thedas. The qunari still hold Kont-aar in northern Rivain, but that is the only permanent non-island holding the qunari currently retain."
This would suggest that the Qunari's weapons are not as useful as you make them out to be.
In fact, the statement about their island holdings suggest their gunpowder weapons are only useful in a naval capacity.
Since exalted marches are conducted by Chantries and Chantries are well versed in lyrium (in both controlling mages and fueling templars) it stands to reason that Lyrium actually is more powerful than firearms.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:07 .

[Grommash94]

filaminstrel wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

Would it be a retcon if we were told that all Qunari have horns, and Sten has horns, and the only reason we didn't see it in DAO was because of the stylistic difference? It would basically amount to the same changes made to the darkspawn, then, unless they have an explanation for those changes as well. Were those changes a retcon?

That is a retcon. Yes. The Qunari one isn't though.

Which Qunari one, my hypothetical about Sten having horns, or the actual change the devs are making? Or both?

The actual change.

[marquiseondore]

David Gaider wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

It's an interesting question. Where could they have gotten the qunari from, if there were no qunari in Thedas at the time..

In your statemant you implied that qunari came from another world

Err... perhaps you inferred that they came from another world. We've said that qunari arrived on the continent of Thedas from elsewhere just over three hundred years ago. Nothing more.

Your new avatar is awesome!!!