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[Khayness]

Lilacs wrote...

Lol, it is really unique... more sinister looking then the "All Seeing Eye" from Ancient Egyptian Mythology.  This avator of yours is it from a game (Maybe New Armor for the upcoming DA II?) or is it created especially for you? A curious mind desires to know... 

Warhammer:Online forum pic. Even you can set it as your profile photo.

[tez19]

Brockololly wrote...

My main concern with this "hot rod samurai" art style change is continuity and familiarity. If you had shown me just a picture of the new Qunari a couple days ago and asked me what it was, I would have said BioWare made a new race for DA2. Honestly. The new art just isn't doing it for me- it just reminds me of the change from Prince of Persia: Sands of Time to Warrior Within- complete 180 in the art to "amp" things up, for no apparent reason.

Just tell me this Gaider: If we possibly run into old companions or go into old locales from Origins, will we still recognize them? Mainly, if Hawke runs into Morrigan, Alistair, Zevran or Leliana will their faces and facial structure still be the same? I don't care if they have new hair or new clothes, but I'd rather like to be able to recognize old faces without having thought they went through massive reconstructive surgery.
Thanks.

THIS.


i am also worried about continuity and familiarity.
what i have seen of the new darkspawn dissapoints me.
but i also think the new qunari look fantastic and much better.

[tmp7704]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

This would suggest that the Qunari's weapons are not as useful as you make them out to be.
In fact, the statement about their island holdings suggest their gunpowder weapons are only useful in a naval capacity.
Since exalted marches are conducted by Chantries and Chantries are well versed in lyrium (in both controlling mages and fueling templars) it stands to reason that Lyrium actually is more powerful than firearms.

These Codex articles mention Qunari were eventually pushed back because their forces were less numerous than the ones they were fighting. It doesn't really say much about relative power of magic and technology, just lot of mages & people with swords > not as many giants with swords and cannons.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

In fact, the statement about their island holdings suggest their gunpowder weapons are only useful in a naval capacity.
Since exalted marches are conducted by Chantries and Chantries are well versed in lyrium (in both controlling mages and fueling templars) it stands to reason that Lyrium actually is more powerful than firearms.

That's your interpration. Another could be that the Qunari had low numbers being invading force and thus were driven back.

No it isn't actually. The codex even states that magic was a main reason that the Qunari were turned back. And, surely, if they are so advanced and have cannons and are awesome, low numbers don't matter?

Modifié par Grommash94, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:14 .

[Herr Uhl]

tmp7704 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

This would suggest that the Qunari's weapons are not as useful as you make them out to be.
In fact, the statement about their island holdings suggest their gunpowder weapons are only useful in a naval capacity.
Since exalted marches are conducted by Chantries and Chantries are well versed in lyrium (in both controlling mages and fueling templars) it stands to reason that Lyrium actually is more powerful than firearms.

These Codex articles mention Qunari were eventually pushed back because their forces were less numerous than the ones they were fighting. It doesn't really say much about relative power of magic and technology, just lot of mages & people with swords > not as many giants with swords and cannons.

And the history is written by human scholars. Some bias is expected.

[Jimmy Fury]

Kordaris wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

In fact, the statement about their island holdings suggest their gunpowder weapons are only useful in a naval capacity.
Since exalted marches are conducted by Chantries and Chantries are well versed in lyrium (in both controlling mages and fueling templars) it stands to reason that Lyrium actually is more powerful than firearms.

That's your interpration. Another could be that the Qunari had low numbers being invading force and thus were driven back.

uh huh.
Surely the most advanced, sophisticated, tech savy, well educated society in the whole wide world would know how to... you know... count.
We know, for a fact, that the Qunari spy on their enemies and size them up before ever attempting an invasion. Sten told us this.
Therefore it's both illogical and against lore to suggest they would invade with insufficient numbers.

[Grommash94]

Actually, I can't even find record of Qunari cannons besides them being on ships. Do we actually know they used them on land as well? They probably did, but still.

[lv12medic]

Kordaris wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

In fact, the statement about their island holdings suggest their gunpowder weapons are only useful in a naval capacity.
Since exalted marches are conducted by Chantries and Chantries are well versed in lyrium (in both controlling mages and fueling templars) it stands to reason that Lyrium actually is more powerful than firearms.

That's your interpration. Another could be that the Qunari had low numbers being invading force and thus were driven back.

The qunari only have cannons. The dwarves have made advancements in culture, mining, fighting, lyrium

The qunari have organised religion, rather than ancestor worship, and must have all the needed developments for gunpowder weapons such as mining, engineering, metalurgy, maths and so on. The dwarfes have hardly advancements in fighting, otherwise they wouldn't be a falling race.

I don't think one race can be considered more advanced than the next.  They each developed tools and technologies that fit their needs.  Dwarves are stuck underground fighting darkspawn all day so they made Golems and smokeless coal and whatnot.  The Qunari are a war driven race and canons filled a vital role for their armies.  And as for the Qunari getting beaten back even though they have canons; the effectiveness of flat trajectory canons are HIGHLY dependent on terrain and can become utteryly worthless if your enemy figures that out (Waterloo anyone?).

[twincast]

Kordaris wrote...

twincast wrote...

I said cannons, not gun powder, did I not?

Usually cannons use gunpowder.

headdesk
You just want to construct something out of thin air, don't you?

Kordaris wrote...

But just as well: These uses need a high degree of sophistication the qunari haven't quite reached yet either.

Where is it stated in the Codex?

Don't know the codex by heart, but I know what we who've been on the bioboards since before BSN have been told by the devs. Qunari only use gunpowder for (rather crude) large cannons, nothing, absolutely NOTHING else. Search dacentral.
And before you jump on it: Yes, they could concievably blow up tunnels, but not in an even remotely controlled way, which is my point.

Anyway, I'm not arguing that Qunari are not the most advanced culture in Thedas, just that you put way too much emphasis on their single known achievement. And with that I'll leave this discussion for more patient people.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

These Codex articles mention Qunari were eventually pushed back because their forces were less numerous than the ones they were fighting. It doesn't really say much about relative power of magic and technology, just lot of mages & people with swords > not as many giants with swords and cannons.

Thanks for confirmation on that. I just hope Qunari keep their level of technology and won't be reduced  half naked barbarian berserkers.

Asking again, if the Qunari are obviously so incredibly advanced technologically, wouldn't low numbers on their side (which we don't even know is a fact) not matter? Numbers don't win wars.

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...


Asking again, if the Qunari are obviously so incredibly advanced technologically, wouldn't low numbers on their side (which we don't even know is a fact) not matter? Numbers don't win wars.

Incredibly advanced would mean machine guns, not cannons. And yes numbers do win wars.

Well, you're the one arguing that the Qunari are the most advanced in Thedas. And no, numbers don't always win wars. There are various battles throughout history where tactics and better equipment/technology beat numbers.

[tmp7704]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

uh huh.
Surely the most advanced, sophisticated, tech savy, well educated society in the whole wide world would know how to... you know... count.
We know, for a fact, that the Qunari spy on their enemies and size them up before ever attempting an invasion. Sten told us this.
Therefore it's both illogical and against lore to suggest they would invade with insufficient numbers.

It wouldn't be the first time in history when the most advanced, sophisticated and tech savy society would try to invade target they considered inferior, and lost. Sophistication and advancement go hand in hand with arrogance, and inclination to underestimate the enemy (or overestimate one's ability to sustain the losses)

This is what the Codex says on the subject, you be the judge how illogical it was:

The greatest advantage of the Chantry-led forces was the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the qunari appeared to harbor great hatred for magic. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire.

The qunari armies lacked the sheer numbers of humanity. So many were slain at Marnas Pell, on both sides, that the Veil is said to be permanently sundered, the ruins still plagued by restless corpses. But each year, the Chantry pushed further and further into the qunari lines, although local converts to the Qun proved difficult to return to Andraste's teachings.

By the end of the Storm Age, the qunari were truly pushed back. Rivain was the only human land that retained the qunari religion after being freed, and its rulers attempted to barter a peace. Most human lands signed the Llomerryn Accord, excepting the Tevinter Imperium. It is a shaky peace that has lasted to this day.

[Andros_Hanarak]

I think that this one qunari in particular, the one shown in the picture, might be doing a job that requires the paint. We simply should not jump the gun and assume that all the new qunari with horns will have war paint or whatever that paint/tattoo is.



I am assuming that they chose Sten and his other dead group members to infiltrate Ferelden and check what a Blight was because at a distance they would look more human and might pass more freely and attract less attention than sending a group of horned people to seek the same thing.



Just my opinion.

[Saibh]

Kordaris wrote...

Grommash94 wrote...


Asking again, if the Qunari are obviously so incredibly advanced technologically, wouldn't low numbers on their side (which we don't even know is a fact) not matter? Numbers don't win wars.

Incredibly advanced would mean machine guns, not cannons. And yes numbers do win wars sometimes, unless you are talking about highly advanced technology.

Mounted archers won the Mongols Asia.

Modifié par Saibh, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:29 .

[Jimmy Fury]

Kordaris wrote...
Thanks, it looks like that mages were the desperate attempt to rival the cannons. Of course you can make a cannon in a year, a mage must be trained for most of his childhood. Thus it is easier to replace a cannon than a mage.

How is taking advantage of a natural resource a "desperate attempt"?
And thank you for admitting that cannons =/= incredibly advanced. You just argued against your own point

[KDawg0713]

David Gaider wrote...

tez19 wrote...
mr. gaider if you please could clear up the following quote as i think it is an interesting point somebody made.
thanks in advance.

It's an interesting question. Where could they have gotten the qunari from, if there were no qunari in Thedas at the time?

Hmmm...

I have often wondered this.  Darkspawn tunnels connected to the Qunari homeland would mean that the Qunari would know of the Darkspawn, and by extension that Blights may have affected their homelands which from what we know now could not be true.  Im not looking for the real answer if it can't be given as to how the Darkspawn got Ogres, but what I do hope you can answer is if this was a mistake by the developers? (One Im sure can be fixed)

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...

uh huh.
Surely the most advanced, sophisticated, tech savy, well educated society in the whole wide world would know how to... you know... count.
We know, for a fact, that the Qunari spy on their enemies and size them up before ever attempting an invasion. Sten told us this.
Therefore it's both illogical and against lore to suggest they would invade with insufficient numbers.

It wouldn't be the first time in history when the most advanced, sophisticated and tech savy society would try to invade target they considered inferior, and lost. Sophistication and advancement go hand in hand with arrogance, and inclination to underestimate the enemy (or overestimate one's ability to sustain the losses)

This is what the Codex says on the subject, you be the judge how illogical it was:

The greatest advantage of the Chantry-led forces was the Circle of Magi. For all their technology, the qunari appeared to harbor great hatred for magic. Faced with cannons, the Chantry responded with lightning and balls of fire.

The qunari armies lacked the sheer numbers of humanity. So many were slain at Marnas Pell, on both sides, that the Veil is said to be permanently sundered, the ruins still plagued by restless corpses. But each year, the Chantry pushed further and further into the qunari lines, although local converts to the Qun proved difficult to return to Andraste's teachings.

By the end of the Storm Age, the qunari were truly pushed back. Rivain was the only human land that retained the qunari religion after being freed, and its rulers attempted to barter a peace. Most human lands signed the Llomerryn Accord, excepting the Tevinter Imperium. It is a shaky peace that has lasted to this day.

Thanks, it looks like that mages were the desperate attempt to rival the cannons. Of course you can make a cannon in a year, a mage must be trained for most of his childhood. Thus it is easier to replace a cannon than a mage.

And no, numbers don't always win wars.

Nobody wrote "always".

But a mage is better. And nobody wrote always, but by you typing 'numbers win wars', it basically means the same thing. The point still stands, regardless. Oh, you edited your post. Numbers sometimes win wars. Ok, that is fair. So, do I win? 

Modifié par Grommash94, 30 juillet 2010 - 01:29 .

[Grommash94]

Kordaris wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
And thank you for admitting that cannons =/= incredibly advanced. You just argued against your own point

Hmm, my point was not that cannons are incredibly advanced in themselves,  but that they are incredibly advanced compared to Middle Ages level of technology in rest of Thedas. Thus making Qunari the most advanced race.

It doesn't, though.