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Game Informer: A Look At The Qunari, Evolved


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Grommash94 wrote...

filaminstrel wrote...

A troll has gotten all of you guys to argue that cannons are primitive and useless... the Qunari are still a fighting force to be reckoned with. Their cannons help in this. The Chantry were able to repel them for a number of reasons, but that doesn't mean the Qunari are wimps. The Chantry hasn't gone over to their land and crushed the Qunari there, and the Qunari still seem intent on taking over Thedas.

All of this arguing over which magical race's magical penis is the biggest is really unnecessary, though.


It is mostly my fault, I always find the need to have the last say in an argument. I'll stop now.

awww and I was all ready to pull out the big guns and point out that Dwarves invented bureaucracy.=]
Nothing can withstand bureaucracy... nothing.

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Don't forget that even the Dark Spawn have siege weapons, no gun powder, but a flaming boulder traveling at high speeds is still devastating.

Modifié par Gaxhung, 30 juillet 2010 - 02:07 .


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filaminstrel wrote...

A troll has gotten all of you guys to argue that cannons are primitive and useless... the Qunari are still a fighting force to be reckoned with. Their cannons help in this. The Chantry were able to repel them for a number of reasons, but that doesn't mean the Qunari are wimps. The Chantry hasn't gone over to their land and crushed the Qunari there, and the Qunari still seem intent on taking over Thedas.

If the Qunari think they can conquer Thedas then they have another thing coming, my battlecry "For Humanity!" I swear this war would be glorious!

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I'm hoping another Qunari war will be the subject of a future game, assuming the series continues to be financially successful.

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langelog wrote...

 If the Qunari think they can conquer Thedas then they have another thing coming, my battlecry "For Humanity!" I swear this war would be glorious!


You humans are all racists.

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Arijharn wrote...

 Personally, I like it. It looks bad ass and something to be feared (or at least, treated with a degree of respect and caution)


Agreed... Minus horns, he resembles an Ancient Egyptian Pharoah, or the sculpture of Osiris... What will the female Qunari look like?  The male looks interesting enough.

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Khayness wrote...

langelog wrote...

 If the Qunari think they can conquer Thedas then they have another thing coming, my battlecry "For Humanity!" I swear this war would be glorious!


You humans are all racists.



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Can a machine really compare to the ability to control other beings? Can a cannon really compare to a mage who can plan battle tactic, move about freely and needs no one to operate?

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filaminstrel wrote...

I'm hoping another Qunari war will be the subject of a future game, assuming the series continues to be financially successful.

Who's to say it's not dealt with in DA2? But yes I agree, it would be interesting. And didn't Sten say it was inevitable?

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KDawg0713 wrote...

Can a machine really compare to the ability to control other beings? Can a cannon really compare to a mage who can plan battle tactic, move about freely and needs no one to operate?



Now that is something worth pondering upon.  (I love the power that mages possess in Origins... healing ability, the ability to turn the tide of battle, etc.)

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Yeah, a sentient being can die and we will need 20 years to gain another.
How long do you need to build a cannon.


Yet infantry and cavarly still existed, battles weren't just cannons shooting at cannons.

Which begs the question, how would a mage fare against mounted archers in skirmished formation in relatively flat terrain? Not very well I would guess.

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Kordaris wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Yeah, a sentient being can die and we will need 20 years to gain another.
How long do you need to build a cannon.


Yet infantry and cavarly still existed, battles weren't just cannons shooting at cannons.

Which begs the question, how would a mage fare against mounted archers in skirmished formation in relatively flat terrain? Not very well I would guess.


How would archers fare if the mage has cover and they're all packed together?

I can present scenarios all day long that favor one over the other.

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Kordaris wrote...

Which begs the question, how would a mage fare against mounted archers in skirmished formation in relatively flat terrain? Not very well I would guess.


YESSS, he's back! :wizard:

He would have a bit more chance than any single person against a whole battalion.

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Kordaris wrote...

Mages take years to train, often fail, and use up their powers quickly. Training a unit of gunners will take considerably less time, and their fire power will be often equal to average mage,without dangers of abomination.




But mages can also control the minds of those gunners so they suddenly turn around and start shooting the heck out of their own men and each other.

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Kordaris wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Yeah, a sentient being can die and we will need 20 years to gain another.
How long do you need to build a cannon.


Yet infantry and cavarly still existed, battles weren't just cannons shooting at cannons.

Which begs the question, how would a mage fare against mounted archers in skirmished formation in relatively flat terrain? Not very well I would guess.

It would depend, I guess. We don't exactly have a comprehensive understanding of what is and isn't possible with magic. For all we know, there might be a way to make some kind of shield that would block projectiles. For that matter, maybe it could even stop cannonballs. At this point, it's pretty much wide open for the writers/devs to do whatever they want, as they haven't put in any hard and fast rules (to my knowledge).

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Kordaris wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Yeah, a sentient being can die and we will need 20 years to gain another.
How long do you need to build a cannon.


Yet infantry and cavarly still existed, battles weren't just cannons shooting at cannons.

Which begs the question, how would a mage fare against mounted archers in skirmished formation in relatively flat terrain? Not very well I would guess.


That might depend on how far are these archers and how long would it take said mage to cast storm of the century on them, seeing as there are some spells that might protect him/her long enough to cast the spells necessary for the combination :D

What I would like to see is if mages in Thedas can have familiars. They haven't been mentioned but the possibility exists :ph34r:

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ashez2ashes wrote...

Kordaris wrote...

Mages take years to train, often fail, and use up their powers quickly. Training a unit of gunners will take considerably less time, and their fire power will be often equal to average mage,without dangers of abomination.




But mages can also control the minds of those gunners so they suddenly turn around and start shooting the heck out of their own men and each other.


But mages are squishy. :?

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dewcrowe wrote...

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I didn't go through all 34 pages so I don't know if this has been brought up. My theory is that Flemeth is a Qunari. If you look at the concept art she has the same style horns as them. From the screen of her coming out of the fire she looks younger and her hair is White. Her hair in DAO was more of a dirty gray. I'm kinda wondering if she had another Girl lined up behind Morrigan that she could take the body of. Any theory's?


They were sighted about 400 years before what happened in the game. Flemeth is way older.

Though I do wonder where the ogres came from that were in the previous blights. From the codex:

"Traditionally, they only appear during a Blight, but some records claim that ogres have been spotted in the Deep Roads hunting alone or in small groups."

So, where did they get Qunari to use if they were discovered between the fourth and fifth blight?


Huh. Maybe the Qunari sent small scouting parties to Thedas before they actually invaded? 



I don't mean that she would have been a Qunari from the get go but after the events in dao she may have been in search of her next body. I thnk she may have gotten a Qunari body after that. you can see the horns here
http://fc04.devianta..._MattRhodes.jpg

The horns are definatly Qunari looking to me.  Another idea I have is that Flemeth will be a party memeber.
http://media1.gamein.../wallpaper4.jpg

You can see what looks like a Qunari on the far left. if so it could possibly be flemeth.


I agree with you about the great possibility of Flemeth being a qunari (or using a qunari body). ^_^
I even posted this 15 days ago:
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/3121116/2#3121565

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Mages would have a big advantage if the Qunari only have flintlock technology. The reload time would give a mage the opportunity to hit them.

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ashez2ashes wrote...


But mages can also control the minds of those gunners so they suddenly turn around and start shooting the heck out of their own men and each other.

Range of guns,cannons, bows,compared to range of spell?B)


Andros_Hanarak wrote...



That might depend on how far are
these archers and how long would it take said mage to cast storm of the
century on them, seeing as there are some spells that might protect
him/her long enough to cast the spells




And how many mages with ability to cast that spell?  Plus the range and area of the spell wouldn't be that great...

Modifié par Kordaris, 30 juillet 2010 - 02:44 .


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*jumps back in for a moment*

ashez2ashes wrote...

Mages would have a big advantage if the Qunari only have flintlock technology. The reload time would give a mage the opportunity to hit them.

They don't even have that.

*goes off to sleep*

Modifié par twincast, 30 juillet 2010 - 02:46 .


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twincast wrote...

*jumps back in for a moment*

ashez2ashes wrote...

Mages would have a big advantage if the Qunari only have flintlock technology. The reload time would give a mage the opportunity to hit them.

They don't even have that.

*goes off to sleep*



Eh, cannons are pretty much flintlock technology aren't they? Shove a metal ball into a metal tube with some gun power and ignite it... ?

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ashez2ashes wrote...

twincast wrote...

*jumps back in for a moment*

ashez2ashes wrote...

Mages would have a big advantage if the Qunari only have flintlock technology. The reload time would give a mage the opportunity to hit them.

They don't even have that.

*goes off to sleep*



Eh, cannons are pretty much flintlock technology aren't they? Shove a metal ball into a metal tube with some gun power and ignite it... ?


  • 1232: The Chinese who invented gunpowder (black powder) first used it in a weapon - gunpowder filled tubes aka rockets.
  • 1364: First recorded use of a firearm - shooter lit wicks by hand that ingnited gunpowder that was loaded into the gun barrel.

It doesn't occur to everyone all that fast. In fact...

[*]1630: Flintlock guns - the flintlock did two things mechanically, it opened the lid of the flash pan and provided an igniting spark.

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I guess this could be accepted by myself only because there realy wasn't much lore given about Sten in DA:O.

I don't know ... seeing Sten and running into quanarian mercenaries .. then seeing this just made me really raise an eyebrow.  I can see if having horns makes them a different caste or seen as special (best example are humans who are albinos in a sense) but will have to see more.

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David Gaider wrote...

[..]If someone wishes to say that a change in the artistic style is a ret-con, then by all means do so. We aren't saying that all qunari have horns and the ones you saw were a figment of your imagination, but we certainly could have if we'd wanted to. Is that a big deal? I don't know-- was it a big deal when Klingons in Star Trek started having carapaces on their foreheads? Maybe to some, but speaking personally I always wanted qunari to look more strikingly different-- and I really like their new look.[..]


Actually the difference between the original klingons of Star Trek TOS and those of TNG was explained 20 years later in a season four episode of Enterprise, "Affliction". EDIT Actually there were two episodes linked. I really liked those new story arcs. Too bad it came too late.

I'm not suggesting that we're gonna wait 20 years for retcons but... who knows?

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