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[Mehow_pwn]

If they really want to make things cooler.. why don't they just make pigs fly and sheeps breath fire that is damm cool

[Feraele]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I dislike this development.

Heh...someone please tell  me, am I still in the Dragon Age forums?    Starting to think this is  some other game, you know with Greek Gods and minotaurs......with a dash of Mass Effect for extra spice.   *shakes head*

[Cutlasskiwi]

Wow.. Being home sick with a high fever, rendering you sleepless and unable to move around, sure leaves enough time to do nothing. I've just spent two days reading though this whole thread. The next time Im able to sleep I'm going to have nightmares..

While I understand that not everyone will like everything they show us, I'm still surprised at the massive negative reactions it got.  Although my opinion on the matter is biased becasue I really like the new side of the Qunari that their showing us.
And in Dragon Age 3 I want the possibility to play a female Qunari! That would be awesome.

[Jimmy Fury]

SoR82 wrote...
Still better than "oh yes some of them have horns some of them down... oh and some of them break them off because they dont mean anything" and my personal favourite "ogres have horns and they come from qunari broodmothers therefore......"

I've still yet to hear anyone explain why that isn't a satisfactory explanation. It's a natural genetic occurrence. It exists in the real world in goats, sheep, cattle, and buffalo. Some have horns, some do not. There's even a word for it.

What could be a better explanation than something that does actually happen in the real world?

[SoR82]

Im not an animal expert or biologist but are these differences not different sub-species? Personally if humans started being born with horns somehow i think there might be some interesting reactions.



From my pov Nature finds a design that works well in the enviroment they are in, humans and other top end species dont vary in this kind of way as their "base" form is adaptable and works well in most situations, pigmentations vary to allow for different levels of sun strength for example but would some spring horns?



Plus Im not the one that decided an established race needed horns, Im not the one making interesting choices, I somehow feel its not really my place to explain WHY they have horns when they didnt before. Hell if they wish to pay me I will start right now coming up for a reason.

[Jimmy Fury]

SoR82 wrote...

Im not an animal expert or biologist but are these differences not different sub-species? Personally if humans started being born with horns somehow i think there might be some interesting reactions.

Nope, same species. Just a matter of the dominant/recessive genes for horns. A specimin with no horns, when horns exist as a trait of the species, is "polled".  Wikipedia explains it better than I do.

Plus Im not the one that decided an established race needed horns, Im not the one making interesting choices, I somehow feel its not really my place to explain WHY they have horns when they didnt before. Hell if they wish to pay me I will start right now coming up for a reason.

True enough that it's not your job to explain it. But if you're going to claim that the explanation is bad then the constructive thing to do is explain why you think that and to offer an alternative.

[Casel]

BrotherWarth wrote...

David Gaider, your responses really do come off as uncaring towards Origins fans. Yeah, you make the games and we just play them. But we're your bosses. I don't know if you're familiar with Gene Simmons'(of KISS fame) philosophy on his career and his fans, but he calls concert-goers and album-purchasers "the bosses." He knows that the fan base dictates whether or not he gets payed. And he's been massively successful, in part, because he understands this. You may see it as your world to change as you will, but we decide if you get to change it at all. With our wallets. Something to consider at least.

You can still disobey your boss for making ridiculous requests.

Those ridiculous requests being made by 99% of the "bosses".

Modifié par Casel, 08 août 2010 - 06:40 .

[Casel]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Casel wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

David Gaider, your responses really do come off as uncaring towards Origins fans. Yeah, you make the games and we just play them. But we're your bosses. I don't know if you're familiar with Gene Simmons'(of KISS fame) philosophy on his career and his fans, but he calls concert-goers and album-purchasers "the bosses." He knows that the fan base dictates whether or not he gets payed. And he's been massively successful, in part, because he understands this. You may see it as your world to change as you will, but we decide if you get to change it at all. With our wallets. Something to consider at least.

You can still disobey your boss for making ridiculous requests.

Those ridiculous requests being made by 99% of the "bosses".

Such as? I don't see 99% of the fan base agreeing on anything, let alone ridiculous requests. Feel free to name some of these ridiculous requests though.

Maybe 99% was a bit of an exaggeration.  It seems like everyone wants DA2 to be the same as the former, a game needs to learn from the original and grow, the racial changes are a great addition, Qunari look more like their own race now.

To be honest, I had no idea the Qunari were even a race, I assumed it was a religion of big headed stale people.

[Casel]

But that's the problem as a developer, you can't please everyone, some people felt Origins were shallow, sure some instances you'd be treated differently but overall it was the same run through.

I feel Bioware had to make a decision and this is them sticking by their decision.

[Casel]

BrotherWarth wrote...

But they're doing the same thing they did with ME2. Instead of fixing what needs some fixing they're throwing it out the window just not bothering to replace it. Like the inventory system from ME1. It was clunky and tedious. But instead of making it easier and quicker to use they just got rid of it entirely. OK, some people thought origins were shallow and didn't have an impact on the story after a few hours. So make them deeper and with larger impact. Don't just throw them away. Just because they made a decision doesn't mean they made the right one.

Indeed, and i'm not trying to say they did, but it's too late to go back on their decision.  

I personally enjoyed being an Elf.

[Casel]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Casel wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

But they're doing the same thing they did with ME2. Instead of fixing what needs some fixing they're throwing it out the window just not bothering to replace it. Like the inventory system from ME1. It was clunky and tedious. But instead of making it easier and quicker to use they just got rid of it entirely. OK, some people thought origins were shallow and didn't have an impact on the story after a few hours. So make them deeper and with larger impact. Don't just throw them away. Just because they made a decision doesn't mean they made the right one.

Indeed, and i'm not trying to say they did, but it's too late to go back on their decision.  

I personally enjoyed being an Elf.

It's not too late at all. They took 4 years to make Origins. They don't only get a year and a half to make II. I would rather wait for a game that is true to its roots than get a revisionist "meh" game right now.
I was so disappointed with ME2 and I don't want the same thing to happen to DAII.

Dragon Age 2 isn't trying to be Origins though, it's an entirely new game, I want to think of it as a spinoff more than a sequel, new characters, new story, different mechanics.

[Casel]

The lack of ": Origins" pretty much explains it. It's not Dragon Age 2: Origins.

[David Gaider]

BrotherWarth wrote...
David Gaider, your responses really do come off as uncaring towards Origins fans. Yeah, you make the games and we just play them. But we're your bosses. I don't know if you're familiar with Gene Simmons'(of KISS fame) philosophy on his career and his fans, but he calls concert-goers and album-purchasers "the bosses." He knows that the fan base dictates whether or not he gets payed. And he's been massively successful, in part, because he understands this. You may see it as your world to change as you will, but we decide if you get to change it at all. With our wallets. Something to consider at least.

Sorry, but you don't get to decide what games we make-- only what games you buy. In the larger sense, yes, if what we put out there isn't what enough people want then we'll be in trouble. But that's our gamble to make, I'm afraid.

We listen to our fans and are very interested in what they want-- but we're talking about a much larger group of people with varied interests, much larger than the people who come to these forums. In the end you'll have to decide for yourself if DA2 is what you want, but calling me an uncaring meanie just for saying this is what we're doing-- well, I don't really know what to say about that. I get that you're disappointed, but there's a level of entitlement with what you're saying that maybe you need to think about a little. If that makes me an ogre, then I guess I'm an ogre.

[captain.subtle]

Justforkicks:



Species are currently defined as living organisms that can inter-breed to produce viable offspring. That makes Elves and Humans the same specie but different sub-specie/race. Same MAY apply yo Qunari and Dwarves.

[Ellestor]

Ellestor Approves (+10)



Though I may often share their concerns, I unabashedly dislike customers of any business who feel fit to express that they are 'the bosses,' let alone 'always right.' I've never seen this from the side of the business (or, for that matter, the artist), yet it still frustrates me immensely. No industry or art is going to progress under that philosophy as some like BrotherWarth see it. You're too soft, Gaider.

[Grae1923]

I really like this update. I, too, felt the Qunari's intimidation factor was limited to just their size and philosophy in Origins. I'm imagining this character with Sten's voice, and I think it works very well! With the horns and tattoos -- in addition to their size and philosophy -- the Qunari lore makes more sense to me because they seem that much different than just tall black humans.

Modifié par Grae1923, 08 août 2010 - 08:24 .

[SoR82]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

SoR82 wrote...

Im not an animal expert or biologist but are these differences not different sub-species? Personally if humans started being born with horns somehow i think there might be some interesting reactions.

Nope, same species. Just a matter of the dominant/recessive genes for horns. A specimin with no horns, when horns exist as a trait of the species, is "polled".  Wikipedia explains it better than I do.

Plus Im not the one that decided an established race needed horns, Im not the one making interesting choices, I somehow feel its not really my place to explain WHY they have horns when they didnt before. Hell if they wish to pay me I will start right now coming up for a reason.

True enough that it's not your job to explain it. But if you're going to claim that the explanation is bad then the constructive thing to do is explain why you think that and to offer an alternative.

You explanation had far more thought and effort  than their explanation did which is amusing to say the least. I still dont buy it exactly as it seems silly that we had no inclining of horns etc and they suddnely turns out the majority of the species do infact have them.

Yep I could do that if I wanted but then I hit the problem of trying to explain something I dont buy into. So I aint even gonna try.

[Notrufnot]

SoR82 wrote...

Yes worf didnt but they "explained" it in an enterprise episode.... i belive it was somethignt o do with a virus wiping klingons out so they mixed human dna in and it made them immune but it also meant they had more human genetics for a generation or 2...... lame eh XD. Still better than "oh yes some of them have horns some of them down... oh and some of them break them off because they dont mean anything" and my personal favourite "ogres have horns and they come from qunari broodmothers therefore......"

ah thanks, did not know that.

And qunari cutting of horns without a trace when going abroad has some sense as when they are not in the homeland they might not appear anything else than big people.

[Bryy_Miller]

BrotherWarth wrote...

But we're your bosses.

Unless you are part of EA, no, you are not.

I don't know if you're familiar with Gene Simmons'(of KISS fame) philosophy on his career and his fans, but he calls concert-goers and album-purchasers "the bosses." He knows that the fan base dictates whether or not he gets payed. And he's been massively successful, in part, because he understands this.

No. You are vastly misinterpreting Simmons words. I also think it is cute that you think David Gaider would not know who KISS is. Simmons just didn't wake up one day with a fanbase. If KISS didn't make good music, do you think people would listen to him? Maybe his "bosses" would be a bunch of thirteen year old pricks. Simmons get paid because people LIKE his music. Please don't get so worked up that you think he means the fans dictate what kind of music he makes.