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[Anarya]

BrotherWarth wrote...

That's not what I'm suggesting at all and you know it. I don't think Bioware should implement every idea that a fan has. But the fan response to the changes they've announced has been substantially negative, not positive.

But if you're taking the forums as the barometer it's not really representative of the playerbase. Even then, if you look at some of the polls that have been made here about people's current opinion of DA2, the majority is actually positive. Still, all that is pointless. We won't really know how people will respond to DA2 until it's been out a few months. It's way too early to go off on a rant like that.

So yes, you were suggesting that. Or your perception is skewed.

[Todd23]

Anarya wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Boss: Remember son, the customer is always right!
Newbie: Sure thing, boss!
Boss: I'll be leaving you in charge of the store while I'm gone.
Newbie: OK-ie-DO-kie!
[Boss leaves, guy enters]
Guy: I'd like a burger.
Newbie: Anything else you'd like?
Guy: A milkshake with that, please.
Newbie: The customer is always right!
Guy: Oh really? Did you know that the burger and milkshake are free today?
Newbie: Omg rly?
Guy: Yep, and you'll give me all the money in the cash register too because it's opposite day where you give ME money!

[one hour later, the deed to the store was given to the guy along with everything inside it]

Boss: We're ruined, we're ruined! *cries*

Boss: Remember son, the customer is always right!
Newbie: Sure thing, boss!
Boss: I'll be leaving you in charge of the store while I'm gone.
Newbie: OK-ie-DO-kie!
[Boss leaves, guy enters]
Guy: I'd like a burger, no pickles.
Newbie: Anything else you'd like?
Guy: A milkshake with that, please.
Newbie: The customer is always right!
Guy: I SAID NO PICKLES YOU INCOMPETENT MORON I DEMAND FREE FOOD FOR LIFE OR I SUE YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU'VE GOT!!!!! I DEMAND TO SEE THE MANAGER!!
Newbie: Omg!!
Guy: THE CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT!!! 

[one hour later, the deed to the store was given to the guy along with everything inside it]

Boss: We're ruined, we're ruined! *cries*

Fixed that up a bit for you. That's how it goes down in America. Is it that bad for you guys?

Both jokes suck.. almost equally, the original was better.

[Anarya]

BrotherWarth wrote...

This is not the only forum discusiing DAII.  And quite honestly these boards do play home to a lot of Bioware sycophants. Probably because this is the only forum that Bioware devs post on and people don't want to seem like jerks right to them. Go to any other forum discussing DAII and the majority of posters are against the changes being made.
I remember in the run-up to ME2 dropping a few people like me who didn't like the inventory change were told by a big group of people to leave the forum because we didn't deserve to play Bioware's games. I had dozens of messages talling me I suck and am too stupid to understand Bioware. So this forum is an especially bad barometer.
But that's not to say every poster here is a sycophant. I will say that this forum is much more civilized and even tempered than the ME2 board was before that game came out.

I still don't see how any of that warrants an "I OWN you, Gaider! P.S. You are a jerk" response. Because that's how your post came off.

I mean really. I don't personally care what you think of DA2 either way, but it irks me to see rudeness like that. You are obviously capable of expressing yourself civilly, but I guess if all you wanted was attention from David Gaider I suppose it worked, though I don't really know what you got out of it. Besides attention.

Modifié par Anarya, 09 août 2010 - 09:30 .

[Anarya]

BrotherWarth wrote...

That was not my intention at all. I wasn't aware that my post came off like that. I was merely upset that David Gaider has this sort of "This is MY world. You're just visiting." view toward the fan base. A fan base that supported a game despite its numorous problems like massive glitches, lackluster support(where are the patches for all of the major problems, guys?), and lackluster DLC(generally speaking). We overlooked their mistakes because under those problems was a great game with a rich, robust world and genuinely deep characters. A lot of people became really enthralled with it and like myself have taken the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude.

Okay but if you acknowledge that the first game was flawed despite still being a great game, why such an aversion to change? They are keeping the robust world and deep characters. They are well aware that that's what people praised as the best part of Origins. But they also know they can do better on the things that were not so well received. Why keep the mistakes when you can try for something more?

[thebrah]

Anarya wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

That was not my intention at all. I wasn't aware that my post came off like that. I was merely upset that David Gaider has this sort of "This is MY world. You're just visiting." view toward the fan base. A fan base that supported a game despite its numorous problems like massive glitches, lackluster support(where are the patches for all of the major problems, guys?), and lackluster DLC(generally speaking). We overlooked their mistakes because under those problems was a great game with a rich, robust world and genuinely deep characters. A lot of people became really enthralled with it and like myself have taken the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" attitude.

Okay but if you acknowledge that the first game was flawed despite still being a great game, why such an aversion to change? They are keeping the robust world and deep characters. They are well aware that that's what people praised as the best part of Origins. But they also know they can do better on the things that were not so well received. Why keep the mistakes when you can try for something more?

not all change is good brah. the "CRACK BIOWARE PR TEAM" radiates retarded gems like "HOT ROD ART" and "FIGHT LIKE A SPARTAN". Apparently they were doing the exact same **** with da origins, but it doesn't do the game any favors.

[Anarya]

BrotherWarth wrote...

The only mistakes were technical ones. Glitchy stats(dexterity glitch), endings(waitaminute, I killed Loghain! So what's he doing here with me at the end?), etc. Origins and races were not in need of fixing. The art style was not in need of fixing. The combat was not in need of fixing(IMO). They should have taken time to work out all the technical kinks and made DAII a continuation(not necessarily or preferably of the Warden's story) of Origins. Keep the origins, keep the art style, etc. Just make everything the best it can be. Make every origin as good as the Dwarf Noble and City Elf origins. Make the current style look better by having better graphics, not by making it more cartoonish. Stay true to the source.

Origins and races? No probably not in need of fixing but they never said (and probably never intended) that you'd always have a bunch of different origins to choose from.

Art and combat style? Debatable, and ultimately subjective. I personally think they DID need changing, especially the art style. Maybe it's because I pay particular attention to the way things look but Origins looked terrible on the consoles. At max settings on the PC it looked decent but nothing to write home about. There was not enough visual differentiation between races and the overall style was kind of generic looking. These were complaints of many of the reviews as well, so I know I'm not alone in this.

The glitches and patches are absolutely something that needs more attention but I disagree that they were the only things that needed to change.

[Anarya]

thebrah wrote...

not all change is good brah. the "CRACK BIOWARE PR TEAM" radiates retarded gems like "HOT ROD ART" and "FIGHT LIKE A SPARTAN". Apparently they were doing the exact same **** with da origins, but it doesn't do the game any favors.

No. It has the potential to be good or even great. It could also be horrible. We don't know yet, but keeping everything the same because you fear a bad outcome is dumb.

And come on, marketing has no effect on the game itself. Whether it's attracting the right audience is another topic entirely, but that Origins trailer with the Marilyn Manson song that made people think it was going to be like God of War did not actually make the game play like God of War.

[Anarya]

BrotherWarth wrote...

No, that trailer probably turned some people off of Origins.

Probably. It was also terribly spoilerish. All in all, bad trailer. But it still didn't affect the gameplay.

[thebrah]

Anarya wrote...

thebrah wrote...

not all change is good brah. the "CRACK BIOWARE PR TEAM" radiates retarded gems like "HOT ROD ART" and "FIGHT LIKE A SPARTAN". Apparently they were doing the exact same **** with da origins, but it doesn't do the game any favors.

No. It has the potential to be good or even great. It could also be horrible. We don't know yet, but keeping everything the same because you fear a bad outcome is dumb.

And come on, marketing has no effect on the game itself. Whether it's attracting the right audience is another topic entirely, but that Origins trailer with the Marilyn Manson song that made people think it was going to be like God of War did not actually make the game play like God of War.

It has the potential to be good or even great. Hello Kitty Island Adventures also had the potential to be good or even great.. that the main character's name is "HAWKE" should indicate HOW HARDCORE AND BADASS THIS GAME WILL BE (not for rpg players). 

Modifié par thebrah, 09 août 2010 - 10:26 .

[Inverness Moon]

Oh wow, that new design is pretty hot. I hope that qunari will be a companion.

[Nohvarr]

Let's take another look at all the 'new' racial designs.



http://bioware.files...8/da2_races.jpg



I don't see the problem. Enlighten me.

[tmp7704]

BrotherWarth wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Such as? I don't see 99% of the fan base agreeing on anything, let alone ridiculous requests. Feel free to name some of these ridiculous requests though.

That alone makes the whole demand to "listen to us, we're your bosses" badly thought out, doesn't it? How do you even imagine them "listen to the bosses" who aren't in agreement?

Do you think the production team are in 100% agreement over everything, all the time?

Do you think these production teams are composed of mutliple always disagreeing bosses, or is there pretty clear chain of command with designated people having the power to call the shots?

And do you think "occasional disagreement" and "never agreeing on anything" are the same thing?

[tmp7704]

BrotherWarth wrote...

The Qunari stepped out of the 90's cartoon Gargoyles to invade Dragon Age.

Really, of all possible things is this what the qunari remind you of?

[tmp7704]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Do you think you could possibly make any more unwarranted assumptions based on a straightforward statement?

Feel free to point out these unwarranted assumptions. So far i've been merely quoting your straighforward statements.

Modifié par tmp7704, 09 août 2010 - 01:13 .

[-Semper-]

despite the wings and feet it looks very similar^^

Modifié par -Semper-, 09 août 2010 - 01:14 .

[tmp7704]

Yes. Take away the wings, take away the tail, swap the feet, add the horns... hey it's the same creature and it only took changing half of anatomy to get there.

Modifié par tmp7704, 09 août 2010 - 01:16 .