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[uhdnrt]

Titanium Man wrote...

I wonder if anyone's wrote a story where Shepard and Tali get in a big spat. Too many cutesy stuff. They need to argue sometimes and stuff.

Closest I got.
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Drama and Hope
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So this is what hell feels like, Shepard thought to himself.  I should have known.  He struggled to sit up, but strong hands pushed him down. 

"Commander, you aren't ready to sit up yet," Dr. Chakwas said as she checked a monitor.  "Frankly, I am amazed you are conscious."

"Oww," he muttered as he fell back onto the medical bay.  "Anyone get the number of the frigate that hit me?"

He heard a chuckle from just out of his sight.  "That was Grunt," Garrus said with mirth in his voice.  "He had to subdue you so we could get you back to the ship."

"What do you remember?"

Shepard blinked and stared at the ceiling.  Things were coming in a rush.  Sitting in Afterlife, drinking.  A woman propositioning him.  Heated words.  Then, just as he was trying to extricate himself from the situation, Tali finding his table and rushing off hurt.  A chase.  Finding her, and then blackness.

He did finally sit up completely clutching his ribs in pain.  "Tali!"  He shouted.

"I'm right here Shepard, she said from the table to his left.  He looked over, and noticed that she was staring at him.  Then he noticed how damaged her suit was.  He looked over at Garrus.

"What the hell happened?"

The turian shook his head.  "You ran after Tali.  When you caught up to her, you got ambushed by that woman's pimp and his goons."  He shook his head.  "By the time I got there, Tali was unconscious and you were beating a krogan to death with his own gun."

"We couldn't get through to you.  Anyone that got close to you or Tali got swung at," Garrus finished with the turian equivalent of a smirk.  "Grunt had to knock you out so we could get you back here."

Shepard looked back at Tali as the rest of his memories came rushing back.  He grimaced, remembering the fight before the fight.

"I can't believe you!"  Tali nearly screamed at him.

He held up his hands.  "It wasn't what you thought Tali," he said firmly.  "I had already told her to go away; she decided I just needed 'more encouragement' and sat on me."  He shook his head.  "I was just pushing her off of me when you walked up."

His quarian shook her head.  "That is not how ma....partners treat each other," she finally stammered out.

"You mean Mates, Tali," Shepard said steadily.  "That was what I had asked you out here to discuss." Her eyes widened beneath her mask.  How could he know?  Exactly what did he know?

Shepard saw her take a step back in shock.  "Tali, you mean too much to me for me to even think about another woman.  In fact..."

"And what do we have here?"  A slimy voice said from behind the couple.

Shepard spun around, placing himself between Tali and the voice.  He could see the woman from the bar, a lightly armored human with an SMG, and 3 krogans in heavy armor and carrying assault rifles.

"You have a couple trying to have a conversation." Shepard replied evenly even as he assessed the odds.

"That's the one that turned me down," the girl muttered, scowling at Tali.

The human crossed his arms.  "Well now, we can't have that, now can we?  Bad for business and all that."

"You don't want this kind of trouble,"  Shepard said, still trying to resolve this.

He laughed.  "What trouble?  I see an unarmed human and a bucket."

"That was a mistake" Shepard growled.

"Oh really?" The human asked.  "Enough.  Kill them."

Shepard reacted.  with a gesture, he used a throw field, knocking  two of the krogan and both humans to the ground.  He dove at the last krogan, managing to drive the assault rifle upward as it began to fire. 

Suddenly the krogan let out a grunt of pain and Shepard managed to relieve him of his gun.  He saw the purple light signifying Tali's drone behind the krogan.  He opened fire, dropping the warrior before him.

He tuned to the other two as Tali cried out in pain.  He glanced, and saw that one of the krogan had charged her.  As she hit the ground, Shepard saw that her mask was cracked.  A red haze descended over his vision.  From that point, all he could remember was screams and his own very real terror that Tali was going to die.

The commander struggled out of the bed and over to Tali's.  He placed a hand on the side of her mask, his thumb rubbing over the crack in the glass.  He lowered his gaze.

"Are you ok?"  He asked roughly, his voice cracking.  She brought her hand up and covered his.

"I am now Captain," she said softly, her voice barely carrying.  "And I'm sorry for doubting you."

Shepard shook his head.  "My fault for trying to be too nice when letting someone down," he said after a moment.  "I won't let it happen again."

"I know," she said with a soft nod.  "but we do need to finish our argument," she finished playfully.

He smiled.  "I wouldn't call it an argument," he said warmly.  He looked around, and then turned back to Tali.  "Once we get out of here.  It's too important of a discussion for the med bay."

Tali nodded eagerly.  Both turned to Chakwas as she stood there with her arms crossed.  The doctor smiled, and shook her head.

"Give it a couple of hours for the bones to mend and you'll be fine," she said.  "Now, back to your bed commander."

She 'tsk'd' at him as she led him back to the bed.  "You are a worse patient than Jeff."
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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Topic topic who's got a topic?

[Titanium Man]

uhdnrt wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...

I wonder if anyone's wrote a story where Shepard and Tali get in a big spat. Too many cutesy stuff. They need to argue sometimes and stuff.

Closest I got.
*storysnip*

Eh.  I'm thinking a real hot button issue between them.

[FsDxRAGE]

anyone know when that poll ends?

Modifié par FsDxRAGE, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:19 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

anyone know when that poll ends?

Rage...

[FsDxRAGE]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

anyone know when that poll ends?

Rage...

Darth...
did you vote?

Modifié par FsDxRAGE, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:22 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

anyone know when that poll ends?

Rage...

Darth...

*ahem* Not Darth anymore Rage.
Seriously no topic?
I iz somewhat dissapoint.
Edit: On what?
I just got back from a week long vacation.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:23 .

[Pacifien]

SpatFieya wrote...
Legion, I think, will play a key part. Legion showed Tali what the real geth are like. Not crazed machines, but sapien synthetics who only wish to understand. So now that Tali understands and realizes there can be peace, with Shepards coaching, true deplomacy can be made between to two races.

I think all Legion does is open the door for understanding, but doesn't provide understanding in and of itself. Legion's geth are still the geth that went to war with the quarians -- that's not something you can blame only on the heretics.

Now, Shepard is a Reaper with the massive power of indoctrination at his disposal to get anyone to do anything he wants at any time (unless he put off the loyalty mission until the very end and doesn't meet the persuasion point check), so Shepard can take his powers and force his peaceful will onto the quarians and geth. Totally see that happening. Don't like it, but can see it.

[MadCat221]

Here's how I envision the Quarian Question being answered in ME3. Mentioned it before, but it seemed to get missed in this very quick thread.  Forgive the Wall O' Text...

You already kinda decide which way it'd go at Tali's trial at the end. You endorse war, peace, or neither. The new Admiral that replaced Pops basically endorses whatever you advocated; if you endorsed peace, he's in Koris's camp. If you endorsed war or neither, he's in Gerrel's camp.

If you endorsed peace, then the vote is in favor of that; Raan, Koris, and New Guy all endorse it. Xen thinks the notion is absurd. Gerrel sees which way the wind is blowing, but still sticks to his guns... unless you Upper Left Blue/Lower Left Red him into agreement. Having Legion on board for negotiations (with another convince check to grant Legion firewall access so they can speak with the full authority of the Geth Collective allowing for direct negotiations) makes the convince check for Gerrel a lot easier.

Things go smoothly, especially if Legion's present and speaks for the whole Collective. However, no matter what, Xen leaves in a huff. The Conclave follows the prevalence of the Admiralty and goes for peace.

However... Xen's ship takes off towards Geth space. Tali and Shepard share a worried look (and Gerrel if he was told of Rael's little secret project). Tali and Shep depart, along with Koris, and Gerrel if he was convinced (the two admirals aim to try to talk Xen down). Tali and Shep reveal the secret about Rael's project, and Koris is furious but he ultimately decides it's in the past, and the pressing issue is Xen.

They arrive and find that Xen has already jacked some Geth, so the ship is now full of enthralled Geth and Xen supporters (all heavy tech specialists... this will be unpleasant). Tali, Gerrel (if present), and Koris all can't bring themselves to kill their own, so Tali's down for the count as far as fighting (but can be a Watch Tower type maybe... or maybe she can be convinced via a rather high convince check?).

Once Shep cleans house, the three above mentioned Quarians join him in confronting Xen. No matter what, she will not back down. Why should she make peace with the Geth? Do you sign peace accords with your omnitool? Do you offer your hand in friendship to your gun? If present, Legion may be inclined to shoot her. TALK THEM DOWN, because Legion shooting her would completely FUBAR the peace process. She taunts "you won't shoot me". Renegade interrupt to shoot her! ...Or not. If you don't, Koris does, or if Gerrel is present, he does it.  If you don't take the interrupt, big Paragon point boost.

If Gerrel kills Xen, he nearly retires on the spot, being unable to come to terms with having the blood of his kin on his hands. If you can talk him out of it, appeal to his duty to his people, the Quarians stand a better chance in the final battle as he's a grizzled old wardog, and the best military commander in the flotilla. If he didn't come along at all, he still retires because he feels useless in light of peace when you get back, and will have a far harder time convincing him to stay on.

If you're neutral or pro-War, Xen's little project becomes the prime weapon. The run-away Admiral is now Koris, attempting to warn the Collective (and gets some on-board help from the first group of Geth he warns, essentially making the pro-peace and pro-war gameplay segments identical... handy {smilie}) The opponent-turned-advocate (Gerrel in the previous example) is now Raan. Guaranteed tag-along admiral is Xen. If Raan retires, the epilogue for the Quarians will be less happy, as the power of their Geth minions goes to their head. If she stays on, she ends up becoming the 'president' of the new government on Rannoch, keeping the Xen-minded people in check. Instead of Legion having to be talked down from shooting if present, they will outright attempt to kill you in the initial admiralty/conclave meeting, or next time you see them on board (unless you pass a really high Convince check... kinda like Shale in DAO).

If you were Pro-Peace and sent Legion off to Cerberus... congratulations, the Total Heretic Collective decieves you... and then completely genocides the Quarians. Tali is devastated. Nice job breaking it, knee-jerk anti-AI hero.

Maybe having Legion sent off to Cerberus should have dire consequences for the Pro-War path too, since all Geth would be outright hostile on-sight instead of wary like the normal Collective.

At the end of the mission, if the Geth don't annihilate the Quarians because the Reaper Virus was not thwarted, Raan presents Tali with a gift; the Zora Family Heirloom, an omnitool tweeked and optimized out the wazoo, with so many aftermarket mods that it's impossible to tell what the original model was. Each aftermarket part has a small set of initials micro-etched on to them... Tali recognizes several as her forebears'. Tali didn't know about it, but Raan took it when the cleanup crew came to the Alarei so Tali may one day inherit it. Most powerful omnitool in the item lists, and exclusive to Tali. This all is presuming that a traditional inventory returns in ME3... otherwise, it'd just be a big boost to tech damage, duration, and cooldown for Tali.

Modifié par MadCat221, 03 août 2010 - 08:28 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Pacifien wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...
Legion, I think, will play a key part. Legion showed Tali what the real geth are like. Not crazed machines, but sapien synthetics who only wish to understand. So now that Tali understands and realizes there can be peace, with Shepards coaching, true deplomacy can be made between to two races.

I think all Legion does is open the door for understanding, but doesn't provide understanding in and of itself. Legion's geth are still the geth that went to war with the quarians -- that's not something you can blame only on the heretics.

Now, Shepard is a Reaper with the massive power of indoctrination at his disposal to get anyone to do anything he wants at any time (unless he put off the loyalty mission until the very end and doesn't meet the persuasion point check), so Shepard can take his powers and force his peaceful will onto the quarians and geth. Totally see that happening. Don't like it, but can see it.

Or you know they might not give us a definitive answer.
Maybe they'll go with the "I don't trust you and you don't trust me but that big cuttlefish wants to kill us both so let's work together for 5 minutes" kind of thing.

[Pacifien]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
Seriously no topic?
I iz somewhat dissapoint.

Might I suggest pondering what you yourself want to discuss about Tali so that you can provide the topic? Or perhaps wandering the rest of the forum and seeing what topics beyond Tali you may discuss. Or perhaps shooting the breeze about every other topic under the sun with your fellow Tali compatriots over PM?

The Garrus and Thane threads have group counterparts that they use quite well for their off-topic communications. I always thought a group would work quite well for the Tali thread.

My only contribution, other than the geth/quarian condundrum being discussed right before I popped my head in, is to wonder what Tali would think... about the double rainbow. What does it mean?

[Pacifien]

That's a very specific mission summary, MadCat.

ETA: Anyway, if the developers did address the conflict within the ME trilogy, I would prefer it be a very large DLC, bordering on expansion. I don't want to distract from Shepard's story against the Reapers, but it is an interesting story in its own right. I'd actually advocate pushing the conflict into its own game, but then it will very likely not have Shepard at all in it. And thus, likely not have Tali.

Modifié par Pacifien, 31 juillet 2010 - 12:36 .

[uhdnrt]

Titanium Man wrote...
Eh.  I'm thinking a real hot button issue between them.

Such as?  Gimme something to sink my teeth into, dammital.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

uhdnrt wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...
Eh.  I'm thinking a real hot button issue between them.

Such as?  Gimme something to sink my teeth into, dammital.

Paragon/Renegade moment.
*Small ship full of civillians being attacked by what ever replaces the collectors as Reaper stooges
*Can either save the civillians (paragon) or save a military Tech ship with very important information
*if you save the crew your a paragon and Tali agrees
*If you save the tech ship then she's mad and you have to convince her of you reasons.
And go from there!

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Okay I'll leave you all with that little idea.

Have fun.

Off to beach party, and stuff.

*exits*

[Megumeru]

Dayumn....took a jay walk for a few hours and its 129...
anyway, read through the pages and have my own take on Rael'Zorah.

As mentioned before, Rael'Zorah is a good military man, Admiral, and soldier. Han'Gerrel in the Migrant Fleet confirmed this when you talked to him. But is he a good family man? I'd say there is two answer to this one (actually, more. Depends on your take and analysis)

If I remember correctly, Raan mentioned how far Rael has changed since the death of his wife AKA Tali's mother. What I see, and from what I perceive after receiving Tali's transfer notice and Rael's logs is his character as a very-very protective father, but tries too hard and ends up distancing himself far from what Tali really-really want--his approval and his affection.

He TRIES to balance politics and family life, and I'd say this is where he messed up. Over the course, he wanted the best for Tali--every parents (that I know of) wanted the best for their child, and I believe this is no different with Rael. The idea of building her a home in Rannoch is what I assume a 'dream' for all Quarians after 300 years of exile. It was, what he thought, a 'perfect' gift, something that would make her proud of him.

...that is if he can get rid of the Geth out of the planet.

Then there's the political side. Being an Admiral, for one, is not an easy task. Second, in order to 'balance' his goal of building her a home in Rannoch, he needs to get rid of the Geth. So he believed it also pushes for the agenda of the Admiralty board. His attempt in the Alarei and the aftermath involving the siege of the research vessel was due to the failed hacking attempt of the Geth system, chips, brains, whatever. For what purpose? To excel his development, quickly regain Rannoch, build a home, and appease the Admiralty board with one stone.

This led me to believe that Rael himself doesn't have much time. How I see it, he himself is dying of either natural causes or disease. That caused him to pursue his goal even faster, up to the point of not contacting the Admiralty board in case s**t hits the fan--a wise decision. This is where he failed. Instead, he got Tali in a mess he never wanted her to be in. politics.

What led me to believe that Rael tried so hard to have the approval of his daughter (Tali) is the transfer notice he sent to the Normandy after Haestrom. Remember, at this point of time she was a 'vas Neema', crew of the starship Neema. I see it compelling to have his father personally send Shepard the transfer letter. Why him? Or rather, why DIDN'T Han'Gerrel, the captain of the Neema, send Shepard the approval (or rejection) of her transfer?

That is because, I believe, that Rael finds her transfer as his greatest gift to Tali. I got a hint that says that Rael knew Shepard and--despite his lack of attention towards Tali--notices her feelings towards him. How did it come to his attention, I do not know. Maybe Tali told him? Maybe. Maybe he caught it in the extranet? Maybe. There are many possible reason that exists. I see Rael trusts Shepard enough to approve the transfer of her daughter to a HUMAN--to a greater extent after the events in ME: Ascension--a CERBERUS vessel.

I have a feeling that Rael sees Shepard as the missing part of him, the part that shows great care, emotion, and love towards his daughter (in this context, I meant Shepard cared for the rest of the crew like a family-romantically aside). I feel Rael wanted Shepard to fill his shoes in something he could not fulfill due to duties with the Admiralty board. He wanted the best for his daughter, but instead plunged her into a trial of treason which--again--is a cover up of political ploy.

His message considering Tali's transfer sums up to me in this:
"Please, take care of my daughter. She's the only one I've got"
...or something like that.

And for that, I salute Rael'Zorah.

...now for Tali...

[RiptideX1090]

Man... it's getting WAY to serious in here...



Can we get some D'awww? Or some humor? Or... hell... something?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Man... it's getting WAY to serious in here...

Can we get some D'awww? Or some humor? Or... hell... something?

I'd try humor but then the prudes would cry foul and I don't feel like a battle of wits with Rune at the moment.

[RiptideX1090]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Man... it's getting WAY to serious in here...

Can we get some D'awww? Or some humor? Or... hell... something?

I'd try humor but then the prudes would cry foul and I don't feel like a battle of wits with Rune at the moment.

As long as it's Tali related, I say go for it.

We need something to lighten the mood...

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Man... it's getting WAY to serious in here...

Can we get some D'awww? Or some humor? Or... hell... something?

I'd try humor but then the prudes would cry foul and I don't feel like a battle of wits with Rune at the moment.

As long as it's Tali related, I say go for it.

We need something to lighten the mood...

Tali sees a puppy and a kitten.
Which one does she like more?

Build from this on you own guys my "friend" Ashley is dragging me to a party she's...hard to say no to.
Bye for real.
*gets dragged away from the computer*

[RiptideX1090]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Man... it's getting WAY to serious in here...

Can we get some D'awww? Or some humor? Or... hell... something?

I'd try humor but then the prudes would cry foul and I don't feel like a battle of wits with Rune at the moment.

As long as it's Tali related, I say go for it.

We need something to lighten the mood...

Tali sees a puppy and a kitten.
Which one does she like more?

Build from this on you own guys my "friend" Ashley is dragging me to a party she's...hard to say no to.
Bye for real.
*gets dragged away from the computer*

Trick Question.

Tali has enough D'awww for both.

[InHarmsWay]

MadCat221 wrote...
*snip summary: ME3  Quarian/Geth situation idea*

I support this.

[Titanium Man]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

Titanium Man wrote...
Eh.  I'm thinking a real hot button issue between them.

Such as?  Gimme something to sink my teeth into, dammital.

Paragon/Renegade moment.
*Small ship full of civillians being attacked by what ever replaces the collectors as Reaper stooges
*Can either save the civillians (paragon) or save a military Tech ship with very important information
*if you save the crew your a paragon and Tali agrees
*If you save the tech ship then she's mad and you have to convince her of you reasons.
And go from there!

My idea involves my Shep letting his anger run wild and has him insulting Rael'Zorah.  (Blaming him for getting Tali exiled in this universe.)  Tali is super-pissed and tells Shep that, despite Rael's faults, he is NOT to insult her father and what he was trying to do in front of her.  They'll patch things up but that can drive a real wedge between them.

[Chim3ra]

You better hurry your research miss vas Normandy.



My favorite line.