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[Phil725]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Honestly? I want this to be possible, but it has to have VERY specific requirements. Example:

Tali and Legion loyal and alive, Rannoch Reclaimed peacefully, Mordin Loyal and Alive, geth convinced to not upload to Reaper and to instead help Quarian reconstruction, Collector Base Saved, Tali not exiled, Heretics saved.

Of course, I also support very specific endings in general.

Yikes.

Though it would be fascinating to have that kind of granularity w/ regards to outcomes.  Dunno if they'd do that.  I suspect a great deal of how the game will be decided will have to come from ME3 itself.  You know, so that the latecomers to the series don't get left out.  *rolleyes.jpg*

I'll be shocked if anything from the first two games seriously changes any potential endings personally.  Though I certainly wouldn't mind something like this (since I would totally cheat and play through ME1/2 with the perfect set up to get the ending I wanted )

*top*

Modifié par Phil725, 31 juillet 2010 - 10:20 .

[NuclearBuddha]

Someone With Mass wrote...
That would be a great way to breake the trend of always rewarding the Paragons and punishing the Renegades, though.

True that.  It'd be a strange break in the theme of "make your own way, don't take what the Reapers give you" though.

(also, I always thought that Renegades were rewarded by the feeling of being an jerk and hurting other people)

[NuclearBuddha]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
Well what do you suppose the geth have been doing for 300 years besides cleaning the homeworld? Maybe the reason they didn't make contact until now is they were attempting to create a 'peace offering' of a healthy immune system for quarians? I don't know. It's probably too farfetched for anything in game but at least it won't cause raging like biological children...

Hmmm... dunno that the geth are all that up on biology.  It'd be a surprise, I guess.

[Lividity Jones]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Well what do you suppose the geth have been doing for 300 years besides cleaning the homeworld? Maybe the reason they didn't make contact until now is they were attempting to create a 'peace offering' of a healthy immune system for quarians? I don't know. It's probably too farfetched for anything in game but at least it won't cause raging like biological children...

That would be hilarious.

Solving every single problem the quarians have in a short conversation.

[RiptideX1090]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Mazder wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Tali and Legion loyal and alive, Rannoch Reclaimed peacefully, Mordin Loyal and Alive, geth convinced to not upload to Reaper and to instead help Quarian reconstruction, Collector Base Saved, Tali not exiled, Heretics saved.

Of course, I also support very specific endings in general.

I've always had an idea of how to solve the immune system problem... Not sure if people would like it, though. Never seen it suggested anywhere else and it seems fairly obvious to me...

Go for it!...or at least tell me...i'm curious about your view now...

Well what do you suppose the geth have been doing for 300 years besides cleaning the homeworld? Maybe the reason they didn't make contact until now is they were attempting to create a 'peace offering' of a healthy immune system for quarians? I don't know. It's probably too farfetched for anything in game but at least it won't cause raging like biological children...

Huh.

Possible.

The only real problem with this is that you'd think they'd require quarians to test it on.

Though, I'm sure they could just get cloned material.

Interesting.

[Mazder]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Mazder wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Tali and Legion loyal and alive, Rannoch Reclaimed peacefully, Mordin Loyal and Alive, geth convinced to not upload to Reaper and to instead help Quarian reconstruction, Collector Base Saved, Tali not exiled, Heretics saved.

Of course, I also support very specific endings in general.

I've always had an idea of how to solve the immune system problem... Not sure if people would like it, though. Never seen it suggested anywhere else and it seems fairly obvious to me...

Go for it!...or at least tell me...i'm curious about your view now...

Well what do you suppose the geth have been doing for 300 years besides cleaning the homeworld? Maybe the reason they didn't make contact until now is they were attempting to create a 'peace offering' of a healthy immune system for quarians? I don't know. It's probably too farfetched for anything in game but at least it won't cause raging like biological children...

Actually thats not a bad thought...thousands of minds all working towards the same conclusion...each one can have a test scenario and if it fails there are thousands more to try...all at the same time...but they'd have to test on living Quarians eventually...but it's a sound idea...plus they'd have a larger database on Quarians than the rest of the Galaxy...

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Yikes.

Though it would be fascinating to have that kind of granularity w/ regards to outcomes.  Dunno if they'd do that.  I suspect a great deal of how the game will be decided will have to come from ME3 itself.  You know, so that the latecomers to the series don't get left out.  *rolleyes.jpg*

That would be a great way to breake the trend of always rewarding the Paragons and punishing the Renegades, though.

Just once I want a renegade decision to be the right one, or to have a paragon decision backfire

Though I always considered saving Joker a paragon decision personally.

[Skadhi1]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Hmmm... dunno that the geth are all that up on biology.  It'd be a surprise, I guess.

Could be, though.  Even right now on Earth, we've got computers that can design and carry out experiments - including biological ones.  With 300 years, the Geth could achieve a great deal.

Keep in mind, 24/7 - 365, with no time out for play.  The accomplishments could be far beyond anything we could imagine.

[El-Destructo]

Someone With Mass wrote...
That would be a great way to breake the trend of always rewarding the Paragons and punishing the Renegades, though.

Myself, I've been under the impression that the 'reward' of playing Renegade was emptying the universe of non-human life. Giving the council to an entirely human tribunal, and giving a treasure trove of Reaper building technology to Cerberus, just reinforces the fact that Renegade Shepard is some kind of human supremacist.

[RiptideX1090]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Well what do you suppose the geth have been doing for 300 years besides cleaning the homeworld? Maybe the reason they didn't make contact until now is they were attempting to create a 'peace offering' of a healthy immune system for quarians? I don't know. It's probably too farfetched for anything in game but at least it won't cause raging like biological children...

That would be hilarious.

Solving every single problem the quarians have in a short conversation.

Sometimes, that's all it takes.

It would be divine justice. Because if the quarians had just talked with the geth instead of shutting them down, all of this could have been avoided.

[Phil725]

Calinstel wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

I still choose to believe the suits have some kind of tactile feel simulator, regardless of what may be said in game.  It's just too useful and technologically feasible for the quarians to have not incorporated it into the suit design.

I'm sure they do but it's not real.  That's what Tali wants, she wants  it to be real.

I'm sure it wouldn't be enough, nothing could match just snuggling up close against Shep for Tali.  I just see the assumption made a lot that the suits are like wearing thick gloves at all times, and I doubt that's how they actually are.

[Someone With Mass]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Well what do you suppose the geth have been doing for 300 years besides cleaning the homeworld? Maybe the reason they didn't make contact until now is they were attempting to create a 'peace offering' of a healthy immune system for quarians? I don't know. It's probably too farfetched for anything in game but at least it won't cause raging like biological children...

That would be hilarious.

Solving every single problem the quarians have in a short conversation.

"Cure for the creators weak immune system? We haz it. Cleaned up their homeworld? We did it. Wrote a peace treaty? We did it on a lunch break. All we need is a 'I'm sorry' from the creators, and it's all yours, buddy."

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 31 juillet 2010 - 10:31 .

[Skadhi1]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

It would be divine justice. Because if the quarians had just talked with the geth instead of shutting them down, all of this could have been avoided.

I keep wondering...what would have happened if the Quarian overseer had replied to that original question by the Geth...

"Yes, you've got a soul.  Now get back to work." 

Sorta like bosses everywhere do in the here and now.

[Phil725]

El-Destructo wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
That would be a great way to breake the trend of always rewarding the Paragons and punishing the Renegades, though.

Myself, I've been under the impression that the 'reward' of playing Renegade was emptying the universe of non-human life. Giving the council to an entirely human tribunal, and giving a treasure trove of Reaper building technology to Cerberus, just reinforces the fact that Renegade Shepard is some kind of human supremacist.

I feel like its kind of a square/rectangle situation personally.  A human supremacist is going to be a renegade, but that's not necessarily what renegade is in general, just one of the options.  There are plenty of renegade decisions that are easily justifiable in different ways, I don't think one overarching description really fits.

[NuclearBuddha]

Phil725 wrote...
There are plenty of renegade decisions that are easily justifiable in different ways, I don't think one overarching description really fits.

I think one description fits:  "sadistic jerk."

The sole exception being Tali's loyalty mission, where all of the renegade options except for the "turn over evidence" one seem to be "tell Tali what she wants to hear."

[Phil725]

Skadhi1 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

It would be divine justice. Because if the quarians had just talked with the geth instead of shutting them down, all of this could have been avoided.

I keep wondering...what would have happened if the Quarian overseer had replied to that original question by the Geth...

"Yes, you've got a soul.  Now get back to work." 

Sorta like bosses everywhere do in the here and now.

Hypothetically, the geth would have said; "We have a soul/souls, we don't have to do this work, let us go free, or we will rebel."

[Someone With Mass]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Sometimes, that's all it takes.

It would be divine justice. Because if the quarians had just talked with the geth instead of shutting them down, all of this could have been avoided.

Well, they tried to shut the geth down. I guess the geth heard about the official order to shut them down.
 
Me? I wouldn't give the geth their network in the first place. Let every quarian have their own, isolated geth which they can upgrade to suit their needs.

Less efficient? Sure, but at least I won't have to worry about being shot/stabbed in the back.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 31 juillet 2010 - 10:33 .

[Phil725]

Calinstel wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

*snip*

I'm sure it wouldn't be enough, nothing could match just snuggling up close against Shep for Tali.  I just see the assumption made a lot that the suits are like wearing thick gloves at all times, and I doubt that's how they actually are.

Corn fused.  I believe that's what I said.

Yeah, I misunderstood your post, was just explaining my position a little more

[Skadhi1]

Phil725 wrote...

Hypothetically, the geth would have said; "We have a soul/souls, we don't have to do this work, let us go free, or we will rebel."

Sure, that was clearly the Quarian view.  But if we look back at Middle Ages France, they had a whole system of slavery without denying the slaves a soul.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
There are plenty of renegade decisions that are easily justifiable in different ways, I don't think one overarching description really fits.

I think one description fits:  "sadistic jerk."

The sole exception being Tali's loyalty mission, where all of the renegade options except for the "turn over evidence" one seem to be "tell Tali what she wants to hear."

I love the renegade options for the first time you meet the board.

"I thought quarians valued family. How do you justify springing this on Tali DURING A DAMN TRIAL!?"

"I shouldn't have to. Her record speaks for itself. If it wasn't for Tali, none of you would be alive to put her on trial now!"

[NuclearBuddha]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Well, they tried to shut the geth down. I guess the geth heard about the official order to shut them down.

I always figured that many of the geth networks had long since circumvented remote shutoff switches as inefficient.  Hard to do your job if somebody turns you off, right?  So when the order came down to switch off the nascent overmind, it probably just bagged the smaller, less-developed networks and showed the higher-thinkers exactly what the quarians intended.