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[Phil725]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
There are plenty of renegade decisions that are easily justifiable in different ways, I don't think one overarching description really fits.

I think one description fits:  "sadistic jerk."

The sole exception being Tali's loyalty mission, where all of the renegade options except for the "turn over evidence" one seem to be "tell Tali what she wants to hear."

Not to turn this into a huge paragon/renegade discussion, that seems similar to the whole human supremacist situation.  I killed the rachni on one playthrough.  It wasn't for sadistic reasons, the only things I knew about the rachni was that they were a historically fast breeding and dangerous race that has been hell bent on killing everything, and was only stopped before by throwing the ungenophaged krogan at them.  I figured letting them go would be needlessly reckless.  Obviously knowing what we do now, I was wrong, but I don't see how that affects a decision that needed to made then.  What if they really were a terror to the galaxy?  That doesn't make the choice less sadistic.

For saving the collector base?  I don't think we have the technology to beat the reapers now, and I would rather face an incompetent group of idiots later than a massive race of sentient robots who have destroyed all life in the galaxy hundreds of times.

Those are just two examples.  In normal conversations, the renegade option usually comes across as a little jerky, but its hardly never called ever.

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Modifié par Phil725, 31 juillet 2010 - 10:38 .

[Andaius20]

I pretty much agree with Buddha on that point. *Waves just popping in for a bit.*

[Someone With Mass]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Well, they tried to shut the geth down. I guess the geth heard about the official order to shut them down.

I always figured that many of the geth networks had long since circumvented remote shutoff switches as inefficient.  Hard to do your job if somebody turns you off, right?  So when the order came down to switch off the nascent overmind, it probably just bagged the smaller, less-developed networks and showed the higher-thinkers exactly what the quarians intended.

Either way, the quarians were f**ked the second they activated the network.

[Skadhi1]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Me? I wouldn't give the geth their network in the first place. Let every quarian have their own, isolated geth which they can upgrade to suit their needs.

Less efficient? Sure, but at least I won't have to worry about being shot/stabbed in the back.

This would be the route I would have taken. How smart do you need a robot cleaning your home to be? Sure, special cases would require more intelligence but really? Smart move.

Again, look at the here and now.  We're already creating smart grids (the electrical grid) that will connect every house, every appliance, across the country into a single controllable network.

One poster wrote that she "Loves Tali, but she wouldn't want to be Tali."

Wouldn't it be ironic if we're following a Quarian path?

[Andaius20]

Someone With Mass wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Well, they tried to shut the geth down. I guess the geth heard about the official order to shut them down.

I always figured that many of the geth networks had long since circumvented remote shutoff switches as inefficient.  Hard to do your job if somebody turns you off, right?  So when the order came down to switch off the nascent overmind, it probably just bagged the smaller, less-developed networks and showed the higher-thinkers exactly what the quarians intended.

Either way, the quarians were f**ked the second they activated the network.

Well I think they would have been fine if they didn't start tinkering and tinkering to make them more efficient.

[Lividity Jones]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Either way, the quarians were f**ked the second they activated the network.

*CoughSkynetCough*

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...

Not to turn this into a huge paragon/renegade discussion, that seems similar to the whole human supremacist situation.  I killed the rachni on one playthrough.  It wasn't for sadistic reasons, the only things I knew about the rachni was that they were a historically fast breeding and dangerous race that has been hell bent on killing everything, and was only stopped before by throwing the ungenophaged krogan at them.  I figured letting them go would be needlessly reckless.  Obviously knowing what we do now, I was wrong, but I don't see how that affects a decision that needed to made then.  What if they really were a terror to the galaxy?  That doesn't make the choice less sadistic.

For saving the collector base?  I don't think we have the technology to beat the reapers now, and I would rather face an incompetent group of idiots later than a massive race of sentient robots who have destroyed all life in the galaxy hundreds of times.

Those are just two examples.  In normal conversations, the renegade option usually comes across as a little jerky, but its hardly never called ever.

I felt the same thing about rewriting/destroying the heretic geth on my first playthrough. Too many unknown factors. Are the true geth really a bunch of peace lovers? What if the former heretics somehow overrides the virus and goes at it again?

Best to go with the safe card. Destroy them.

[Andaius20]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Either way, the quarians were f**ked the second they activated the network.

*CoughSkynetCough*

[Someone With Mass]

Andaius20 wrote...
Well I think they would have been fine if they didn't start tinkering and tinkering to make them more efficient.

And at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

I found it interesting that the quarians and krogan would have probably been targeted by the Reapers if they hadn't suffered their downfalls

At this rate, it probably won't make a difference for them, anyway. Both races are slowly dying on the inside.

[TTTX]

I found a poll with Tali

now I'm of to bed.

[Phil725]

mrsph wrote...

I found it interesting that the quarians and krogan would have probably been targeted by the Reapers if they hadn't suffered their downfalls

I'm curious what the krogan path would have been without alien interference personally.  They're extremely durable and strong, but would they have achieved galactic travel before wiping themselves out?  I doubt it personally, unless they had a good space program that I don't know about. 

Not sure why the quarians would be targeted though, they're developing along the reaper plan just fine.

[InHarmsWay]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
Well I think they would have been fine if they didn't start tinkering and tinkering to make them more efficient.

And at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished.

An interesting idea. What if the Reapers were partially responsible for the geth gaining sentience? Wouldn't be too far-fetched, considering they controlled the Rachni.

[Phil725]

mrsph wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

I'm curious what the krogan path would have been without alien interference personally.  They're extremely durable and strong, but would they have achieved galactic travel before wiping themselves out?  I doubt it personally, unless they had a good space program that I don't know about. 

Not sure why the quarians would be targeted though, they're developing along the reaper plan just fine.

The krogan were very, very smart before they nuked themselves (and the blood rage became widespread as an evolution tactic) I think they even discovered nuclear power before the asari.

The quarians are also implied to be very similar to humans so that may be why Harbinger would have been interested in them at one point.

Wait, really?  I had no idea the krogan were actually technologically advanced, I figured they were just savages back before the salarians swooped in.  That definitely makes things more interesting.

[Someone With Mass]

InHarmsWay wrote...

An interesting idea. What if the Reapers were partially responsible for the geth gaining sentience? Wouldn't be too far-fetched, considering they controlled the Rachni.

That would be pretty easy for them too. Just indoctrinate some quarians in a position where they can make a difference, and make them pull a few strings to forward the suggestion of giving the geth their network to improve their efficiency to the leaders in a convincing way..

Done.

[Mazder]

Keelah Se'lai!...sleepy Mazder is an Irritable Mazder

[Andaius20]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
Well I think they would have been fine if they didn't start tinkering and tinkering to make them more efficient.

And at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished.

An interesting idea. What if the Reapers were partially responsible for the geth gaining sentience? Wouldn't be too far-fetched, considering they controlled the Rachni.

I thought Soverign or somethign mentioned that about the Geth.

[Skadhi1]

Someone With Mass wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

An interesting idea. What if the Reapers were partially responsible for the geth gaining sentience? Wouldn't be too far-fetched, considering they controlled the Rachni.

That would be pretty easy for them too. Just indoctrinate some quarians in a position where they can make a difference, and make them pull a few strings to forward the suggestion of giving the geth their network to improve their efficiency to the leaders in a convincing way..

Done.

Interesting.  And I'd bet the Reapers don't want effective AI - that would develop along a line they had not defined.

[Lividity Jones]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...
Well I think they would have been fine if they didn't start tinkering and tinkering to make them more efficient.

And at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished.

An interesting idea. What if the Reapers were partially responsible for the geth gaining sentience? Wouldn't be too far-fetched, considering they controlled the Rachni.

Apparently, Sovereign only approached the geth after they had gained sentience.

It's unlikely the Reapers had anything to do with it.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

I'm curious what the krogan path would have been without alien interference personally.  They're extremely durable and strong, but would they have achieved galactic travel before wiping themselves out?  I doubt it personally, unless they had a good space program that I don't know about. 

Not sure why the quarians would be targeted though, they're developing along the reaper plan just fine.

The krogan were very, very smart before they nuked themselves (and the blood rage became widespread as an evolution tactic) I think they even discovered nuclear power before the asari.

The quarians are also implied to be very similar to humans so that may be why Harbinger would have been interested in them at one point.

Wait, really?  I had no idea the krogan were actually technologically advanced, I figured they were just savages back before the salarians swooped in.  That definitely makes things more interesting.

. Not sure how advanced they were, but they were probably at least to our level (irl). It was their violent, reckless, and short sighted nature that did them in.

[Andaius20]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Apparently, Sovereign only approached the geth after they had gained sentience.

It's unlikely the Reapers had anything to do with it.

Oh, I knew there was somethign about it in there.