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[kingcharles1337]

Pacifien wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
I was being serious. Quarians prefer CQC, but shotguns are very short range, high risk, and Tali isn't exactly the most durable person.

Because it's such close quarters on ships, Tali probably doesn't have a choice about whether the enemy gets into short range.

Working in an engine room doesn't leave much space so the choice seem logical. Someone attacks the ship hole up in the engine room and blast them as they come in the door. Confined sapces+shotgun=easykill

[RiptideX1090]

mrsph wrote...

Quarians tend to favor having really heavy shields (at least in Mass Effect) so I wouldn't be surprised if they used those as an advantage to get close and use their shotguns.

You raise a very valid point. Since ships have lots of cover, slowly advancing, waiting for shields to recharge, then advancing again until they're point blank makes sense.

[mikethor007]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Anyone have theories as to why Tali favors a shotgun?

Unless Bioware gives us more details on that, I'd say we'll never truly know.

It might boil down to her personal taste in weapons. Mind you, I still think that she only uses pistols and shotguns in ME2 due to game design limitations. In ME1, she could use any weapon, she just wasn't as proficient. I'd say she can use any weapons Shepard uses, except the ones that only a cybernetic human can use. She might just be a lousy shot with them.

[Titanium Man]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Brand new thread after a warning to stay on-topic, and the first half-page starts with off-topic posts? Looks like I'm going to be able to shut this down and knock off early today.

*watches thread closely*

Hey, Titanium Man is here and trying to reel this back on topic.  Not everyone responds to my greatness right away, of course, but I assure you I will do everything in my Titanium Power to keep this Tali-oriented.

[Pacifien]

Guys, if you're trying to focus the thread back to more discussion, lead by example.

However, if I follow my own advice, I'd probably start a flamewar within two pages when I mention how I believe the quarians should abandon thoughts of reclaiming the homeworld. It's a fanciful dream, a garden of eden to them. 600 years, 60 years, they've already lost 300 years to the migration. Colonizing doesn't mean giving up the homeworld, it will still be there. It means starting a stable infrastructure where they can get past birth limits and scavenging so they can build a larger and stronger force.

[RiptideX1090]

mikethor007 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Anyone have theories as to why Tali favors a shotgun?

Unless Bioware gives us more details on that, I'd say we'll never truly know.

It might boil down to her personal taste in weapons. Mind you, I still think that she only uses pistols and shotguns in ME2 due to game design limitations. In ME1, she could use any weapon, she just wasn't as proficient. I'd say she can use any weapons Shepard uses, except the ones that only a cybernetic human can use. She might just be a lousy shot with them.

I will say Tali using a sniper rifle was awesome, even if she never really hit anything.

[Phil725]

mrsph wrote...

Quarians tend to favor having really heavy shields (at least in Mass Effect) so I wouldn't be surprised if they used those as an advantage to get close and use their shotguns.

Shotguns in general seem like bad ideas for quarians outside the necessary situations.  Better shields in general isn't really a good substitute for one breach leading to likely death.  All the shields in the world isn't going to give you a good chance against a krogan in close quarters.

[Thundertactics]

I was watching with my cellphone (which I am currently still on) when it happened, I saw it coming when posts started dissappearing, shame about our 10,000 accomplishment. But hopefully we can continue the Tali/quarian love/discussion without Woo having to exact his righteous fury.

I'll keep working on making Daro playable. (Tomorrow, that is.)

[RiptideX1090]

Phil, if you're still here, is it possible to rename the thread?

[Pacifien]

mikethor007 wrote...
It might boil down to her personal taste in weapons. Mind you, I still think that she only uses pistols and shotguns in ME2 due to game design limitations. In ME1, she could use any weapon, she just wasn't as proficient. I'd say she can use any weapons Shepard uses, except the ones that only a cybernetic human can use. She might just be a lousy shot with them.

I pretty much think every squadmate could handle the same weapons Shepard uses to varying degrees of proficiency. The only reason I can think for Tali's default shotgun status, and they seemed to lean toward shotgun proficiency in the first game as well, is simply how cramped it is on a ship. However, I think in those situations, the only projectile weapon that makes sense is a heavy pistol and decent aim. I would think a Quarian would devise other means for taking down enemies in the corridors that lean toward manipulating ship systems and traps.

Editado por Pacifien, 28 julio 2010 - 11:39 .

[Spornicus]

Pacifien wrote...

Guys, if you're trying to focus the thread back to more discussion, lead by example.
However, if I follow my own advice, I'd probably start a flamewar within two pages when I mention how I believe the quarians should abandon thoughts of reclaiming the homeworld. It's a fanciful dream, a garden of eden to them. 600 years, 60 years, they've already lost 300 years to the migration. Colonizing doesn't mean giving up the homeworld, it will still be there. It means starting a stable infrastructure where they can get past birth limits and scavenging so they can build a larger and stronger force.

Yeah but Legion states that the geth don't actually use the homeworld but clean it up, want to build a dyson sphere to live in, and have been attacked in 100% of encounters with the quarians. If anything, it sounds like the geth respect and revere the quarians, their makes, and want to give them their planet back after it has been properly cleaned. Maybe Qwib Qwib is right, the Quarians need to worry less about war and more about brokering a peace; with the heretics dead (if legion loyalty mission is successfully completed), and Legion as a sort of liason to the galaxy outside of the Perseus Veil, I'm seeing a peace agreement option in ME3. 

[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...

Guys, if you're trying to focus the thread back to more discussion, lead by example.
However, if I follow my own advice, I'd probably start a flamewar within two pages when I mention how I believe the quarians should abandon thoughts of reclaiming the homeworld. It's a fanciful dream, a garden of eden to them. 600 years, 60 years, they've already lost 300 years to the migration. Colonizing doesn't mean giving up the homeworld, it will still be there. It means starting a stable infrastructure where they can get past birth limits and scavenging so they can build a larger and stronger force.

I've discussed that in the past.  The likely reason is that there just hasn't been a suitable world to settle.  We see the crap that is Ekuna that they were considering.  A fleet falling apart is probably better than some 200 degree 5 g hell world for the next hundred years.  The crappy planets will still be there when the live ships collapse.

[kingcharles1337]

Pacifien wrote...

Guys, if you're trying to focus the thread back to more discussion, lead by example.
However, if I follow my own advice, I'd probably start a flamewar within two pages when I mention how I believe the quarians should abandon thoughts of reclaiming the homeworld. It's a fanciful dream, a garden of eden to them. 600 years, 60 years, they've already lost 300 years to the migration. Colonizing doesn't mean giving up the homeworld, it will still be there. It means starting a stable infrastructure where they can get past birth limits and scavenging so they can build a larger and stronger force.

This is true however; it would take longer for their immune systems to adjust to a new planet than the homeworld.
But i do believe that they should colonize and with the fact that Tali worked with Legion on the crew they could use that to work out some peacful solution to the whole problem.

[Phil725]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Phil, if you're still here, is it possible to rename the thread?

The last thread was renamed at like page 5k, so I imagine so.

[mikethor007]

Spornicus wrote...

Yeah but Legion states that the geth don't actually use the homeworld but clean it up, want to build a dyson sphere to live in, and have been attacked in 100% of encounters with the quarians. If anything, it sounds like the geth respect and revere the quarians, their makes, and want to give them their planet back after it has been properly cleaned. Maybe Qwib Qwib is right, the Quarians need to worry less about war and more about brokering a peace; with the heretics dead (if legion loyalty mission is successfully completed), and Legion as a sort of liason to the galaxy outside of the Perseus Veil, I'm seeing a peace agreement option in ME3. 

A peace agreement might be the best solution in terms of loss of personnel and materiel.

It'd leave the Quarians and Geth in a much more ready state than a bloody war.

[FsDxRAGE]

lol, Talimacer's posts blocked out the sun

[uhdnrt]

Phil725 wrote...
Shotguns in general seem like bad ideas for quarians outside the necessary situations.  Better shields in general isn't really a good substitute for one breach leading to likely death.  All the shields in the world isn't going to give you a good chance against a krogan in close quarters.

Yes and no.  Seeing as in both games Tali has abilities that drain or destroy shields.  Once the shields are gone, a shotgun makes very short work of armor and health.

For Tali, it is likely an efficiency issue. One attack to drop the shields. Move in, blast with the shotgun, and move on. Seeing as she seems to have been a specialist on her teams, the combat she likely was in would favor such tactics.

[nitefyre410]

Pacifien wrote...

Guys, if you're trying to focus the thread back to more discussion, lead by example.
However, if I follow my own advice, I'd probably start a flamewar within two pages when I mention how I believe the quarians should abandon thoughts of reclaiming the homeworld. It's a fanciful dream, a garden of eden to them. 600 years, 60 years, they've already lost 300 years to the migration. Colonizing doesn't mean giving up the homeworld, it will still be there. It means starting a stable infrastructure where they can get past birth limits and scavenging so they can build a larger and stronger force.

 


You would not be alone I  would agree with you at least they should give up on taking it by force. If the homeworld can be retaken peaceful  they should go for it. Because i am not going to throw  Tali life away on a pipe dream. 

[FsDxRAGE]

[Spornicus]

I think with Liara and Kaiden using pistols, Garrus using an AR/sniper rifle, and both Ashley and Wrex, even though they can use shotguns, also have other options, maybe the devs just wanted another person who could use a shotgun, to even out the long/mid/short range squad. Also, it could be to simply increase her effectiveness, as having you combat or tech abilities pretty much relegates Tali to a support role in combat. The shotgun bolsters her effectiveness.

[RiptideX1090]

mrsph wrote...

I always wondered.

Could a new geth schism happen if the two races tried to consider peace with each other?

That would be interesting...

More geth join the Reapers, and they have a full blown civil war...

[Phil725]

mrsph wrote...

I always wondered.

Could a new geth schism happen if the two races tried to consider peace with each other?

I doubt it, its always possible considering it happened once, but that seemed a lot like a freak anomaly than anything else.

[FsDxRAGE]

*Phil brofist*

[Someone With Mass]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

I always wondered.

Could a new geth schism happen if the two races tried to consider peace with each other?

That would be interesting...

More geth join the Reapers, and they have a full blown civil war...

But they have really no reason to join the Reapers when you think about it. All they want to do is what they were designed to do. Share data.