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[Phil725]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
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Huh...

Not my favorite... But I don't hate it...

Since we're all offering opinions on this one now, not a fan personally.  Can't really give a specific reason, it just comes off as cartoony and exaggerated maybe.  That and it does bother me when the eyes are all wrong.

Modifié par Phil725, 01 août 2010 - 08:08 .

[RiptideX1090]

mrsph wrote...

Gabby and Ken were cool enough to invite Tali to their cardgame.

I feel bad about losing Gabby and Ken... I liked them...

But I'm not going to miss them THAT much. They aren't worth losing out on getting Legion for half of the game.

[MassDestroyer]

Lividity Jones wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Another thing about that picture... Assuming quarian's aren't "soft" like Grunt says... this image works great... her skin looks cracked... like it's hard and smooth... I could get into that...

I assumed that was cybernetics.

They aren't cyborgs

[Water Dumple]

Frankly, that image makes her look too much like an elf. :/

(The previous one with no helmet)

Modifié par Water Dumple, 01 août 2010 - 08:16 .

[RiptideX1090]

MassDestroyer wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Another thing about that picture... Assuming quarian's aren't "soft" like Grunt says... this image works great... her skin looks cracked... like it's hard and smooth... I could get into that...

I assumed that was cybernetics.

They aren't cyborgs

Yes they are.

[RedTracer7]

Gentlemen.

[MassDestroyer]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

MassDestroyer wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Another thing about that picture... Assuming quarian's aren't "soft" like Grunt says... this image works great... her skin looks cracked... like it's hard and smooth... I could get into that...

I assumed that was cybernetics.

They aren't cyborgs

Yes they are.

It is a myth

[Megumeru]

Just have the need to have Rael see to justice...make him a  bit more...human, I guess? Anyway, shortfic....

I don't know if the majority of this board would agree to this perspective...


Just a Quarian

He is an Admiral. It is the highest position given to any living Quarian in the Migrant Fleet, a feat only a select few were qualified for. The very survival of the Quarian race, both socially and physically rests in his hands and the hands of the Admiralty board. It is both a position that brought prestige and honor, only to be weighed down by the sheer volume of responsibility one has to carry.

It is the figure imprinted in her mind.

He is a politician. Devoted, cold, cunning, and sometimes ruthless in his arguments that justifies his strong presence that constantly shoves the opinion of the Admiralty board to the sides. His experience has taught him many, save him from making a fool of himself, while belittling those who oppose him. His very word could sway the faith of many, while his actions could bring upon war or peace, salvation or condemnation.

It is the character she sees him to be.

He is a father. A figure that wishes the best for his daughter, to see the brightest of all Quarians rise upon the ashes of those around him. For that, he would sacrifice anything to bring upon happiness to his only child, a gift from the woman he loves that left him for Keelah's side. 

It is the image she never saw in him.

He is Rael'Zorah. An Admiral of the Migrant Fleet, Captain of the Rayya, and a father of Tali'Zorah. Many sees him as a strong figure, brave, calculative, and cunning. He is respected, honored, and appraised for his achievement and contribution to the fleet. His goals were ambitious, his dream reaches further than the stars, and his influence dives deeper than the trenches of Kahje. He is devoted, strong, and respectable.

Yet he is never content.

For within the halls of the Rayya, and the empty corridors of the Alerei, he wishes only for the approval of his daughter. He is a father, and yet he is not. His dedication and contribution has left him burried within the insurmountable responsibility he carries in his back, leaving no room for him to cradle his girl. She is so close to him, yet is so distant for him to reach and hold her tight, never letting go. He wish for her success, granting her the best education and training the Fleet can offer, praying to Keelah to mold her into the pride of the entire Migrant Fleet as she is expected to be.

Yet she always kept his distant.

Now, with her bearing the age of 24, Rael'Zorah could only watch as his little girl grew to be a fine young woman. Indeed, she has returned from her pilgrimage bearing the greatest gift the Fleet could have asked for. For two years she prove her loyalty with the Fleet over and over again, quickly recognized to be a respectable member within Quarian society. The stories of her pilgrimage reaches the highest peak of the Admiralty board, as well as the lowest subdeck of engineering. Yet such tales were never passed to his ears personally...

As he watches her from a distant shadow of his past, Rael'Zorah continuously wishes to see the best for his little girl. He wanted to make her proud, see him as a father he should be and not as someone who has neglected her for the past 20 years of his life. He felt mistaken, foolish, and hollow as he realize the wrong-doing of him as a father. Most of all, he wanted her to see the best of him; not as an Admiral, nor a Captain. But as a father who raised her through all the years.

He wanted to build her a home. A home that nests in their long-lost homeworld of Rannoch, a dream that many Quarians would never see within their lifetime. Home is a state of mind.

When she requested for her transfer to the Normandy, Rael'Zorah could never see light within her judgment. He wanted to deny her request, to summon her back to the Rayya and remind her of her duty to the fleet. But then, there was Shepard...
Shepard....a name he heard many times, both from the extranet and from mouth-to-mouth. He is a human, a man, and a soldier of the Systems Alliance. He wonders thoughtfully how she became so susceptible to his request, how she could emphasize the word trust and shove it deep into the Commander without a second? When the answer dawned on him, he was no less furious, and yet he has no one to blame but himself.

Rael'Zorah saw what he lacked in Shepard. Tali doesn't want the best education, the best implants, nor the best envirosuit. She doesn't want a home in Rannoch, nor does being a respected member within Quarian society. What she wanted is love. She wanted her father to talk to her, hold her in times of trouble, and smile with her in the time of joy. She doesn't want appraisals, material gifts, nor positions worthy of glory or respect. She wanted her father's approval, acceptance, and words of praise whispered to her ears.
What Rael'Zorah lacked, Shepard was there to fill his shoes. He was there when she needed a hand to hold on to. He was there when she needed a friend to talk to, and he was there when she needed someone to smile along with her. Most of all, He was there when she needed him the most. To her, he meant more than just a friend...

And Rael know this.

As he writes her approval notice personally, Rael'Zorah contemplates his mistakes and regrets for the past years of his life. Now his little girl is strong, determined, and beautiful. He regret himself for never showing his face to her when she was still in the Rayya, his abscence when she cries and when she succeeds. Now, with his daughter leaving the fleet to open a new chapter in her life, Rael'Zorah could only pray to Keelah for her safe passage and delivery through troubling times, supporting her from a distant shadow deep within the research laboratory of the Alerei. Subtly, he embeds his approval notice with a message of his own, between a father and the man who would take his place.

"Please, take care of my daughter. She is my strength, my hope, my love. The only one I have left in this world..."

Rael'Zorah vas Rayya, an Admiral of the Quarian Migrant Fleet, a Captain of the Rayya, a strong politician and a devoted member of Quarian society, a father of Tali'Zorah vas Normandy nar Rayya. Yet behind the covers of his strength, his status, and his position, he is....

...just a Quarian.


-Fin-



Whew. That done it. Sorry if this interrupts the topic of discussion... :3

[Water Dumple]

RedTracer7 wrote...



Gentlemen.

[RiptideX1090]

MassDestroyer wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

MassDestroyer wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Another thing about that picture... Assuming quarian's aren't "soft" like Grunt says... this image works great... her skin looks cracked... like it's hard and smooth... I could get into that...

I assumed that was cybernetics.

They aren't cyborgs

Yes they are.

It is a myth

No it isn't.

Read Tali's class Description in her Skill list. It states she has modest implants. She also states she has implants on the SR 1.

[NuclearBuddha]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...
Why do so many Cerberus operatives seem to profess values that are at odds with the organization's alien-hating actions? Do they really not know what is going on when the sign up?

My opinion is a little more moderate than most, so keep that in mind.

Cerberus operates in cells, which are kept separate so they can't reveal each other if they're caught.  Theoretically only TIM knows everything that's happening, since nominally each cell reports to him.  Thus, it's possible that most members of Cerberus don't know a whole lot about all the things that the rest of the organization is doing.

Other than that, they'll know what the general population knows:  stuff like, pro-human, terrorist group, assassinated Alliance officials, that kind of thing.  It's not clear if some of the other stuff they've done, like blowing up eezo tankers to create more human biotics is public knowledge.

It could be that Cerberus recruiters have persuasive arguments about why even non-racists (or whatever) should join Cerberus.  We aren't told, sadly.  All we know is that a number of otherwise fairly reasonable people somehow ended up in the organization.

We can either take that at face value and figure they must not know the whole story, or assume they're all a pack of liars.  There are adherents to either view here.

[NuclearBuddha]

MassDestroyer wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Another thing about that picture... Assuming quarian's aren't "soft" like Grunt says... this image works great... her skin looks cracked... like it's hard and smooth... I could get into that...

I assumed that was cybernetics.

They aren't cyborgs

But they are.  Tali's passive skill evolution says she's got health-boosting cybernetics.

[SpaceBuscuit]

mrsph wrote...

Gabby and Ken were cool enough to invite Tali to their cardgame.

Yeah, this is exactly the point I was making. Cerberus is supposedly human-supremacist, and yet none of the SR2 crew seem particularly prejudiced when Shepard co-opts a large number of aliens. Kelly seems to be a total xenophile, Jacob welcomes every alien, Donally and Gaby are totally accepting of Tali, and even the Illusive Man has forwarded dossiers on operatives from multiple species.

[NuclearBuddha]

Megumeru wrote...

YAY!  Someone else who doesn't hate Rael!

[Su37]

Well, I need some sleep.

G'night.

[Water Dumple]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

YAY!  Someone else who doesn't hate Rael!

I don't hate him. I disagree with his means to an end, but he's still respectable.

[MassDestroyer]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

MassDestroyer wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Another thing about that picture... Assuming quarian's aren't "soft" like Grunt says... this image works great... her skin looks cracked... like it's hard and smooth... I could get into that...

I assumed that was cybernetics.

They aren't cyborgs

But they are.  Tali's passive skill evolution says she's got health-boosting cybernetics.

Shepard has even more cybernetics and nobody ever calls him a cyborg their basicly what holds him togeather

[RedTracer7]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

MassDestroyer wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Another thing about that picture... Assuming quarian's aren't "soft" like Grunt says... this image works great... her skin looks cracked... like it's hard and smooth... I could get into that...

I assumed that was cybernetics.

They aren't cyborgs

But they are.  Tali's passive skill evolution says she's got health-boosting cybernetics.

I had always believed that she did, but I didn't know we had such direct proof.

That's very interesting.  If someone, lets say, was writing a story in which he attempted to catalog the various aspects of quarian technology and culture... that author may wish to include this in said story. 

[Phil725]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Gabby and Ken were cool enough to invite Tali to their cardgame.

Yeah, this is exactly the point I was making. Cerberus is supposedly human-supremacist, and yet none of the SR2 crew seem particularly prejudiced when Shepard co-opts a large number of aliens. Kelly seems to be a total xenophile, Jacob welcomes every alien, Donally and Gaby are totally accepting of Tali, and even the Illusive Man has forwarded dossiers on operatives from multiple species.

This is one support for why classifying all of Cerberus as TIM level racist just doesn't work.  There are all kinds of people in the organization, some are probably worse than TIM, but I assume there are plenty like Joker and Chakwas as well. 

That said, the team was handpicked to work on a mission dealing heavily with aliens.  Picking a bunch of racists would have just led to people getting Hawthorned

[NuclearBuddha]

RedTracer7 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
But they are.  Tali's passive skill evolution says she's got health-boosting cybernetics.

I had always believed that she did, but I didn't know we had such direct proof.

That's very interesting.  If someone, lets say, was writing a story in which he attempted to catalog the various aspects of quarian technology and culture... that author may wish to include this in said story. 

Tsk, tsk.  Got to know the source material, lad.

[Andaius20]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

SpaceBuscuit wrote...
Why do so many Cerberus operatives seem to profess values that are at odds with the organization's alien-hating actions? Do they really not know what is going on when the sign up?

My opinion is a little more moderate than most, so keep that in mind.

Cerberus operates in cells, which are kept separate so they can't reveal each other if they're caught.  Theoretically only TIM knows everything that's happening, since nominally each cell reports to him.  Thus, it's possible that most members of Cerberus don't know a whole lot about all the things that the rest of the organization is doing.

Other than that, they'll know what the general population knows:  stuff like, pro-human, terrorist group, assassinated Alliance officials, that kind of thing.  It's not clear if some of the other stuff they've done, like blowing up eezo tankers to create more human biotics is public knowledge.

It could be that Cerberus recruiters have persuasive arguments about why even non-racists (or whatever) should join Cerberus.  We aren't told, sadly.  All we know is that a number of otherwise fairly reasonable people somehow ended up in the organization.

We can either take that at face value and figure they must not know the whole story, or assume they're all a pack of liars.  There are adherents to either view here.

Seems to me most of the Lazerus cell are there because they believe in Shepard. They have more loyalty to him then TIM if you listen in on the conversations.

[Phil725]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

YAY!  Someone else who doesn't hate Rael!

It was good.  I would love to see a little more into Rael's feelings, see what he really felt.  We're left to speculate with not much ground to stand on unfortunately

[NuclearBuddha]

Phil725 wrote...
This is one support for why classifying all of Cerberus as TIM level racist just doesn't work.  There are all kinds of people in the organization, some are probably worse than TIM, but I assume there are plenty like Joker and Chakwas as well. 

That said, the team was handpicked to work on a mission dealing heavily with aliens.  Picking a bunch of racists would have just led to people getting Hawthorned

TIM's a smart guy.  He's not going to turn down the right people for the just just because they're not human.  Heck, he's probably perfectly comfortable using aliens to protect humanity.

[Megumeru]

Water Dumple wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

YAY!  Someone else who doesn't hate Rael!

I don't hate him. I disagree with his means to an end, but he's still respectable.

Well, that short fic is my take on how I see Rael.

He tries TOO hard on balancing both family and work-life, and pretty much screws the other.


He deserves respect. :innocent: