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[SpaceBuscuit]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Gloating over a man right before you began some horrifying experiment sort of wasn't very nice.

And what they did to his mouth... and how they made him still...

TIM is a sadist. Sorry. At this point, it's a cold hard fact.

Having read the novels, yeah, it's hard to sympathize with TIM or Cerberus. It's still curious to me that seemigly decent people continue to work for the organization. Unless they are kept in ignorance of its more questionable activties.

[RedTracer7]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Gloating over a man right before you began some horrifying experiment sort of wasn't very nice.

And what they did to his mouth... and how they made him still...

TIM is a sadist. Sorry. At this point, it's a cold hard fact.

Having read the novels, yeah, it's hard to sympathize with TIM or Cerberus. It's still curious to me that seemigly decent people continue to work for the organization. Unless they are kept in ignorance of its more questionable activties.

Or maybe they see that Cerberus is the only one acting in humanity's best interest.  Maybe they see a wayward organization with potential, but desperately in need of a morality check.

Maybe they want to make a difference....

[Phil725]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Gloating over a man right before you began some horrifying experiment sort of wasn't very nice.

And what they did to his mouth... and how they made him still...

TIM is a sadist. Sorry. At this point, it's a cold hard fact.

Having read the novels, yeah, it's hard to sympathize with TIM or Cerberus. It's still curious to me that seemigly decent people continue to work for the organization. Unless they are kept in ignorance of its more questionable activties.

I'm sure people are kept in the dark, nothing can be gained from full disclosure after all.  If your TIM, you can offer good people the ability to save lives or some other noble goal, and in turn, have them help you out, and its worth it.

[RedTracer7]

 Alright, heading out.

Leaving you guys with *facepalm Tali*:

[Phil725]

RedTracer7 wrote...

 Alright, heading out.

Leaving you guys with *facepalm Tali*:
*snip*

Not to nitpick, but they got Tali's reaction wrong

[SpaceBuscuit]

Phil725 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

 Alright, heading out.

Leaving you guys with *facepalm Tali*:
*snip*

Not to nitpick, but they got Tali's reaction wrong

Tali's mask seems way more opaque in ME2.Devs keeping their options open?

[Phil725]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

 Alright, heading out.

Leaving you guys with *facepalm Tali*:
*snip*

Not to nitpick, but they got Tali's reaction wrong
*snip*

Tali's mask seems way more opaque in ME2.Devs keeping their options open?

Its the opposite actually, there is a ton more placeholder detail in ME2 than ME1.  You can get a pretty good look from some angles:

[SpaceBuscuit]

Its the opposite actually, there is a ton more placeholder detail in ME2 than ME1.  You can get a pretty good look from some angles:

From that angle, it makes it appear as though her visor is clear glass, and the purple coloring is her skin. Interesting.

[Phil725]

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

Its the opposite actually, there is a ton more placeholder detail in ME2 than ME1.  You can get a pretty good look from some angles:
*snip*

From that angle, it makes it appear as though her visor is clear glass, and the purple coloring is her skin. Interesting.

Pretty certain that that's only a camera illusion, since quarian visors are pretty much every color. 

[SpaceBuscuit]

Phil725 wrote...

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

Its the opposite actually, there is a ton more placeholder detail in ME2 than ME1.  You can get a pretty good look from some angles:
*snip*

From that angle, it makes it appear as though her visor is clear glass, and the purple coloring is her skin. Interesting.

Pretty certain that that's only a camera illusion, since quarian visors are pretty much every color. 

Probably so. We will all read in what we wish until ME3.

Personally, I retain my right to imagine Tali as the most awesome specimen in of alien cuteness in the Alpha Quadrant.

And with that, I bid you all goodnight. For some reason, my own physiology still demands sleep.

Keelah Se'lai.

[Gre3nham]

Has anyone else noticed that pretty much the only species that suffers at all in Mass Effect or any related books or fanfiction are quarians? Whats with that?

[Phil725]

Gre3nham wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that pretty much the only species that suffers at all in Mass Effect or any related books or fanfiction are quarians? Whats with that?

They're a sympathetic race, they have the woobie factor behind them.  If you want a sympathetic character that you want the audience to feel bad for and just want to hug, use a quarian.  Bioware took note of this and actually gave you the option to hug Tali in ME2.

That said, the krogan have their own sad story, and I wouldn't say bad things are limited only to quarians, but they definitely get the brunt of it being the most sympathetic.

[Megumeru]

Phil725 wrote...

Gre3nham wrote...

Has anyone else noticed that pretty much the only species that suffers at all in Mass Effect or any related books or fanfiction are quarians? Whats with that?

They're a sympathetic race, they have the woobie factor behind them.  If you want a sympathetic character that you want the audience to feel bad for and just want to hug, use a quarian.  Bioware took note of this and actually gave you the option to hug Tali in ME2.

That said, the krogan have their own sad story, and I wouldn't say bad things are limited only to quarians, but they definitely get the brunt of it being the most sympathetic.

The Quarians get kicked out of their homeworld, forced to wander for 300 years in space, branded as thieves and beggars, rejected by society, lost their embassy in Citadel Space...

that deserves some sympathy. Idiots who think otherwise needs to think in their shoes, but that's just me.



The Krogan...

Went through a nuclear war, then went into war with each other, went to war with the Rachni (and wiped them out), almost eliminated thanks to Genophage, then join some other proxy war for credits...

...and loves every-single-bit of it. I bet Krogan dad tell their children tales from a nuclear winter as bedtime stories.

[Phil725]

Megumeru wrote...
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The Quarians get kicked out of their homeworld, forced to wander for 300 years in space, branded as thieves and beggars, rejected by society, lost their embassy in Citadel Space...

that deserves some sympathy. Idiots who think otherwise needs to think in their shoes, but that's just me.

The Krogan...

Went through a nuclear war, then went into war with each other, went to war with the Rachni (and wiped them out), almost eliminated thanks to Genophage, then join some other proxy war for credits...

...and loves every-single-bit of it. I bet Krogan dad tell their children tales from a nuclear winter as bedtime stories.

If we want to spin it in one way, the quarians were going along just fine, then started experimenting with illegal AIs, had it blow up in their face, then attempted to commit genocide to fix the problem, lost the war, and their homeworld in the process.  Since then, they have been depleting potentially useful star cluster after star cluster of resources while contributing nothing to the galaxy.  Meanwhile the krogan were living their own lives on their planet, when the salarians show up, give them guns, and tell them to go fight their battle.  After saving the galaxy, they are met with a depopulation bomb that kills 99.9% of krogan.  And are forced to live a shaky existence while watching their species slowly die.

For the record, I don't buy that explanation of the quarian situation, just pointing out that there is two sides to all of these stories.

That's aside the point though, regardless of who's story is more sympathetic, the quarians are the more sympathetic race.  They are nice, selfless people, and all of the ones that we have met have just been out to do good.  Couple that with the crap that gets thrown at them, and you feel sorry for them.  You see krogan acting like brutes and fighting everything in sight, and you don't feel the same way.  The contrast between how nice they are, what they deserve, and what they get are what make quarians such great sympathetic characters.

[Phil725]

Calinstel wrote...

Just one note to the above. I doubt they are depleting full star systems or resources. Sure an asteroid of three may now be useless but it seems they do not stay in one place long enough for a whole system to suffer.

I thought part of the galactic problem with the quarians was them depleting star systems.  Could be remembering wrong, but doesn't seem very efficient to get set up in one place, only to move when you've just started mining.

[Phil725]

Calinstel wrote...
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No, think your right in the description but I attribute that to greed.
I have tons of quarters that are mine and you take one.  Your stealing from me!  You take everything!
Sure they can swarm an asteroid but a planet?  Unless the system was resource poor to beging with it would take a hell of a long time to actually deplete it.  And they move around alot.

Ah, makes sense.  At least the point I was making was a straw man argument anyway, so no harm done

[Phil725]

Calinstel wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
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Ah, makes sense.  At least the point I was making was a straw man argument anyway, so no harm done

  It's a good argument, was just adding my perspective on the quarians.  They don't get to write the codex, the other races do.

I would like to take the Codex at its word for things where we don't know whether or not they're true, but admittedly, the whole unreliable narrator thing does bother me.  Nothing like the added suspicion of doubt to go along with our already shaky information

[Phil725]

Calinstel wrote...

Simple repost but me likes it

Ode to three friends.

Three against lost hopes,
 standing tall to face all foes.
Three to fight with faith,
 no matter how it goes.
One a simple human,
 raw strength and courage here.
One is a turian,
 ranged targets will know fear.
The last is quarian,
 close quarters are the best.
Together join as one,
 to handle any test.
Friends throughout the years,
 though one was gone awhile.
Standing side by side,
 They face the final mile.

I like it

[Thundertactics]

Calinstel wrote...

Calinstel, reading Rip 'n Liv's Reckoning, Chapter 6, and subsequently reading your fic making Daro come off as a heartless villain is not good for my brain.