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[Azint]

Lividity Jones wrote...

So, by your logic, keeping the description from the novels would maintain the legitimacy of the placeholder.

You must remember the purpose of the placeholder- it's there just to keep something under the mask. The descriptions in the novel were very vague, so nearly anything can be interpreted from it.

There is still a wide range of creative freedom for the art team to work off of, wouldn't you want them to take advantage of it?

[Collider]

Azint wrote...

I'm not against making the quarians with human-like features, I just want them to still actually look like aliens. I hope to see something new, and not another asari.

Agreed. Something to the level of the Drell or higher is fine.

[abatista]

Azint wrote...

I'm not against making the quarians with human-like features, I just want them to still actually look like aliens. I hope to see something new, and not another asari.

3 fingers, 3 toes, curved tibia, glowing eyes... thats alien enough, isnt it?  Chances are the asari look more like humans than they do.

[Lividity Jones]

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

So, by your logic, keeping the description from the novels would maintain the legitimacy of the placeholder.

You must remember the purpose of the placeholder- it's there just to keep something under the mask. The descriptions in the novel were very vague, so nearly anything can be interpreted from it.

There is still a wide range of creative freedom for the art team to work off of, wouldn't you want them to take advantage of it?

Like I said, they could give her a fanged, acid-dripping maw and I'd still be cool with it.

I'm just remarking on refuting one description and glorifying another that pretty much states the same thing and leaves blatant gaps.

[Phil725]

mrsph wrote...

The placeholder is just a textureless blob that really doesn't show us anything except that she has two eyes and a nose. The novels go into more detail but it is still incredibly vague.

The placeholder actually gives the entire shape of the face, as well as the placement of all of the facial features.  If it is correct, which seems likely, they really just need to add tiny details for ME3.

[Azint]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Like I said, they could give her a fanged, acid-dripping maw and I'd still be cool with it.

Really now?

[Lividity Jones]

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Like I said, they could give her a fanged, acid-dripping maw and I'd still be cool with it.

Really now?

Really.

[Phil725]

abatista wrote...

Azint wrote...

I'm not against making the quarians with human-like features, I just want them to still actually look like aliens. I hope to see something new, and not another asari.

3 fingers, 3 toes, curved tibia, glowing eyes... thats alien enough, isnt it?  Chances are the asari look more like humans than they do.

That's my feeling, the face isn't important to how alien the quarians are, their distinguishing features were decided on long ago in my eyes.  If they had showed up in ME1 with a transparent mask, and a mostly human face, I don't think we're having this conversation now.

[Harold Genhi]

Calinstel wrote...

Harold Genhi wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

Why does hair color need to rely on light entering the visor?

animals that live in pitch black caves become clear or white because of the lack of light. I was merely assuming that the same could happen if the light was a single color, but it just guesses and possible reasons for those theories. really i hold no solid theories to the matter since i'd rather see what Bioware does with it.

The human animal is exposed to sunlight on a daily basis and we have black, brown, red, blonde and shades inbetween.  300 years is just not enough to alter basic animal characteristics.  If they had teal colored fur it would still be teal.

simply an idea to consider. it would depend on their actual environment to actually know or at least guess a better color since the color of hair, fur, ect. relates to the environment, like camoflauge. I know humans don't follow this rule, but we sort of do. People aren't naturally born with blue hair because of genetics reaching back to the time that we needed camo to survive. just a thought.

[abatista]

As long as i get to see Tali's face... Who doesnt want to see her face?

[nickFury]

Collider wrote...

I'd honestly rather Tali look like The Predator from AvP than a recolored human.

so how exactly would kissing her work then? She would bassically be eating your face.... you know what this might not be so bad

[Azint]

Phil725 wrote...

That's my feeling, the face isn't important to how alien the quarians are, their distinguishing features were decided on long ago in my eyes.  If they had showed up in ME1 with a transparent mask, and a mostly human face, I don't think we're having this conversation now.

It's more than the face that I'm discussing.

[Phil725]

nickFury wrote...

Collider wrote...

I'd honestly rather Tali look like The Predator from AvP than a recolored human.

so how exactly would kissing her work then? She would bassically be eating your face.... you know what this might not be so bad

The books do state that they have lips and teeth, and you can hear kissing sounds at the end of the pounce.  Its safe to say that kissing is not a serious problem

[Collider]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

So, by your logic, keeping the description from the novels would maintain the legitimacy of the placeholder.

You must remember the purpose of the placeholder- it's there just to keep something under the mask. The descriptions in the novel were very vague, so nearly anything can be interpreted from it.

There is still a wide range of creative freedom for the art team to work off of, wouldn't you want them to take advantage of it?

Like I said, they could give her a fanged, acid-dripping maw and I'd still be cool with it.

I'm just remarking on refuting one description and glorifying another that pretty much states the same thing and leaves blatant gaps.

Like mrsph said, the placeholder is pretty much a featureless blob. Unless we are to assume that Tali looks exactly like her placeholder - grey colorless skin and black colorless eyes.

[Collider]

nickFury wrote...

Collider wrote...

I'd honestly rather Tali look like The Predator from AvP than a recolored human.

so how exactly would kissing her work then? She would bassically be eating your face.... you know what this might not be so bad

om nom nom

[Phil725]

Azint wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

That's my feeling, the face isn't important to how alien the quarians are, their distinguishing features were decided on long ago in my eyes.  If they had showed up in ME1 with a transparent mask, and a mostly human face, I don't think we're having this conversation now.

It's more than the face that I'm discussing.

Hard to see what else would be too human on the quarians aside from the potential face.  They're bipedal like every other race, and while human shaped (like almost every other race,) they have distinctly alien features mixed in, while races like the drell and batarians only get differences that could be obtained with make up.

[Collider]

abatista wrote...

As long as i get to see Tali's face... Who doesnt want to see her face?

I might not want to. It's not really that I want to keep the mystery (something I never cared about to begin with), it's to keep the theme of the romance.

[nickFury]

Collider wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Collider wrote...

with a similarly shaped face.

that's just judging from the placeholder, which is just a placeholder.

So should we throw away the description in the novels even though they match what's revealed in the placeholder?

Nope, keep what is described in the novel but know that the placeholder is just a placeholder.

well that throws the predator theory or anything remotely similar out the window, and Im willing to bet that BW put considerable thought on the "place holder" especially when they dcided to make her a Li.

[Lividity Jones]

Collider wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

So, by your logic, keeping the description from the novels would maintain the legitimacy of the placeholder.

You must remember the purpose of the placeholder- it's there just to keep something under the mask. The descriptions in the novel were very vague, so nearly anything can be interpreted from it.

There is still a wide range of creative freedom for the art team to work off of, wouldn't you want them to take advantage of it?

Like I said, they could give her a fanged, acid-dripping maw and I'd still be cool with it.

I'm just remarking on refuting one description and glorifying another that pretty much states the same thing and leaves blatant gaps.

Like mrsph said, the placeholder is pretty much a featureless blob. Unless we are to assume that Tali looks exactly like her placeholder - grey colorless skin and black colorless eyes.

I'm not saying she follows the exact criteria of the placeholder, but she does have two eyes, a nose, lips, teeth, a tongue, as is described in the novel.

The fact that the placeholder, such as it is, and the novel description are the same is all I'm trying to say.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...
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Like mrsph said, the placeholder is pretty much a featureless blob. Unless we are to assume that Tali looks exactly like her placeholder - grey colorless skin and black colorless eyes.

You're looking at the part that doesn't matter (featureless, as that would obviously be changed later) and ignoring the part that does, and is incorrectly stated here (blob.)  It is definitely not a blob, it has a complete lay out of facial features.  If you want to claim placeholder and deny it as evidence, that's fine, but its hardly no evidence at all.

[Azint]

Phil725 wrote...

Hard to see what else would be too human on the quarians aside from the potential face.  They're bipedal like every other race, and while human shaped (like almost every other race,) they have distinctly alien features mixed in, while races like the drell and batarians only get differences that could be obtained with make up.

Skin texture, for instance. Fingernails/claws, skeletal structure (which may actually deviate greatly from human skeletons, or not), hair/spines/crests.

The face will be the most important feature for them, but there is still so much more to see.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Azint wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

That's my feeling, the face isn't important to how alien the quarians are, their distinguishing features were decided on long ago in my eyes.  If they had showed up in ME1 with a transparent mask, and a mostly human face, I don't think we're having this conversation now.

It's more than the face that I'm discussing.

Hard to see what else would be too human on the quarians aside from the potential face.  They're bipedal like every other race, and while human shaped (like almost every other race,) they have distinctly alien features mixed in, while races like the drell and batarians only get differences that could be obtained with make up.

My opinion:

No

Yes