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[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...
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Like mrsph said, the placeholder is pretty much a featureless blob. Unless we are to assume that Tali looks exactly like her placeholder - grey colorless skin and black colorless eyes.

You're looking at the part that doesn't matter (featureless, as that would obviously be changed later) and ignoring the part that does, and is incorrectly stated here (blob.)  It is definitely not a blob, it has a complete lay out of facial features.  If you want to claim placeholder and deny it as evidence, that's fine, but its hardly no evidence at all.

My point here is that the placeholder obviously is not entirely correct, unless we're assuming Tali looks exactly like it. Therefore, then, I would place higher precedence on the book rather than something that is clearly temporary and, well, a placeholder.

[nickFury]

Titanium Man wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

So should we throw away the description in the novels as well even though they match what's revealed in the placeholder?

Not ALL of the Star Wars novels are canon, you know.  Same applies here :V

Me, I saw a great example where the quarians had insectoid features like tiny mandibles.  I'd be cool with that.  Then again, I am an oddball.

True but most are done ambiguously enough that with a little imagination they could comfortably fit into canon, unless we are talking a what if style story, also Drew was, and is as far as I know, one of the lead writers for the ME trilogy probably a safe bet to accept his work as valid for the games as well as any other ME content.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

abatista wrote...

As long as i get to see Tali's face... Who doesnt want to see her face?

I might not want to. It's not really that I want to keep the mystery (something I never cared about to begin with), it's to keep the theme of the romance.

The theme that Shep doesn't know what Tali looks like went up in smoke a while ago.  The theme isn't that he doesn't know, its that he doesn't care.  Shep seeing Tali's face is very important in the romance, the difference is, its important to Tali, not Shep.  She wants you to see what she looks like as much as anything.  I don't see how you can leave that part out of the romance.

[Collider]

The fact that the placeholder, such as it is, and the novel description are the same is all I'm trying to say.

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[Harold Genhi]

Calinstel wrote...
If we were talking about a couple thousand years then I could see their hair color washing out but not in the time given.  If the savannahs of Rannoch had rust colored grasses then I would not be surprised to see similar coloring on both the skin and hair (if any) of the quarians.

my bad on the first few theories, but that is what consenses and debates are for, to fix my horrible mistakes . other than that the reliant of Rannoch Environment Theory is the best theory anyone can consider. We just need to see what Rannoch looks like...

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

abatista wrote...

As long as i get to see Tali's face... Who doesnt want to see her face?

I might not want to. It's not really that I want to keep the mystery (something I never cared about to begin with), it's to keep the theme of the romance.

The theme that Shep doesn't know what Tali looks like went up in smoke a while ago.  The theme isn't that he doesn't know, its that he doesn't care.  Shep seeing Tali's face is very important in the romance, the difference is, its important to Tali, not Shep.  She wants you to see what she looks like as much as anything.  I don't see how you can leave that part out of the romance.

I think your opinion is valid.

[Titanium Man]

Chapter 5 of Grand Escapades is up, BTW, for anyone that just popped in.

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mrsph wrote...

It's best to not get too attached to any concept of what you think Tali may look like anyway. You'll just be opening yourself up to disappointment.

Point point point point! 
Completely agreed.

[RiptideX1090]

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

abatista wrote...

As long as i get to see Tali's face... Who doesnt want to see her face?

I might not want to. It's not really that I want to keep the mystery (something I never cared about to begin with), it's to keep the theme of the romance.

The theme that Shep doesn't know what Tali looks like went up in smoke a while ago.  The theme isn't that he doesn't know, its that he doesn't care.  Shep seeing Tali's face is very important in the romance, the difference is, its important to Tali, not Shep.  She wants you to see what she looks like as much as anything.  I don't see how you can leave that part out of the romance.

I think your opinion is valid.

Agreed.

They should have shown her face.

[abatista]

Collider wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

So, by your logic, keeping the description from the novels would maintain the legitimacy of the placeholder.

You must remember the purpose of the placeholder- it's there just to keep something under the mask. The descriptions in the novel were very vague, so nearly anything can be interpreted from it.

There is still a wide range of creative freedom for the art team to work off of, wouldn't you want them to take advantage of it?

Like I said, they could give her a fanged, acid-dripping maw and I'd still be cool with it.

I'm just remarking on refuting one description and glorifying another that pretty much states the same thing and leaves blatant gaps.

Like mrsph said, the placeholder is pretty much a featureless blob. Unless we are to assume that Tali looks exactly like her placeholder - grey colorless skin and black colorless eyes.

Yup.  The placeholder simply doesnt have enough features to reflect Tali's voice and personality.

[Collider]

mrsph wrote...
It's best to not get too attached to any concept of what you think Tali may look like anyway. You'll just be opening yourself up to disappointment.

I agree completely.

[Phil725]

Azint wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Hard to see what else would be too human on the quarians aside from the potential face.  They're bipedal like every other race, and while human shaped (like almost every other race,) they have distinctly alien features mixed in, while races like the drell and batarians only get differences that could be obtained with make up.

Skin texture, for instance. Fingernails/claws, skeletal structure (which may actually deviate greatly from human skeletons, or not), hair/spines/crests.

The face will be the most important feature for them, but there is still so much more to see.

That's all more or less facial details still.  It completely ignores the alien bodies and biology.  I never got the point of comparing strictly on facial features, since the Mass Effect universe makes it very clear that two eyes/nose/mouth is common, not an anomaly.

[Collider]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

abatista wrote...

As long as i get to see Tali's face... Who doesnt want to see her face?

I might not want to. It's not really that I want to keep the mystery (something I never cared about to begin with), it's to keep the theme of the romance.

The theme that Shep doesn't know what Tali looks like went up in smoke a while ago.  The theme isn't that he doesn't know, its that he doesn't care.  Shep seeing Tali's face is very important in the romance, the difference is, its important to Tali, not Shep.  She wants you to see what she looks like as much as anything.  I don't see how you can leave that part out of the romance.

I think your opinion is valid.

Agreed.

They should have shown her face.

I kind of like that they're saving it for ME3, if they are.

[nickFury]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Like I said, they could give her a fanged, acid-dripping maw and I'd still be cool with it.

Really now?

Really.

So a face like this would do it for you then?

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

The theme that Shep doesn't know what Tali looks like went up in smoke a while ago.  The theme isn't that he doesn't know, its that he doesn't care.  Shep seeing Tali's face is very important in the romance, the difference is, its important to Tali, not Shep.  She wants you to see what she looks like as much as anything.  I don't see how you can leave that part out of the romance.

I think your opinion is valid.

Agreed.

They should have shown her face.

Well they need to now since that is the next step for the audience in the romance.

[Collider]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Collider wrote...
I think your opinion is valid.

Ah. The Collider Oh crap I can't pick this apart  statement

I wasn't aware you could speak for me.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...
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My opinion:

No
Yes

So skin texture only?  The drell are basically men painted green if we don't factor in the biology at all.  It just seems like a double standard to me, because both of those faces are very human.

[Harold Genhi]

Calinstel wrote...

Harold Genhi wrote...

my bad on the first few theories, but that is what consenses and debates are for, to fix my horrible mistakes . other than that the reliant of Rannoch Environment Theory is the best theory anyone can consider. We just need to see what Rannoch looks like...

So very true.  Now if BW would get off its arse and put out real data (well real for the game) about the environment and ecosystem of Rannoch we could really have some fun

and get some some better accuracy on these guesses

[Purification-]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Collider wrote...
I think your opinion is valid.

Ah. The Collider Oh crap I can't pick this apart  statement
I agree with him, though. And as we are supposed to 'be' Shepard, I demand we see it as well >

Think with me Rune,there is no reason for Bioware not to show it. They did right not to show her face on ME2, so ME3 could be more fantastic!

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...
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My point here is that the placeholder obviously is not entirely correct, unless we're assuming Tali looks exactly like it. Therefore, then, I would place higher precedence on the book rather than something that is clearly temporary and, well, a placeholder.

No one is assuming the placeholder is completely correct, otherwise it wouldn't be a placeholder.  All that I'm assuming is that they set up the outline going into ME2, since they knew what they were working with.  Obviously any specific details are still unknown, or left up to Bioware, but I see the framework as in place.

[Azint]

Phil725 wrote...

That's all more or less facial details still.  It completely ignores the alien bodies and biology.  I never got the point of comparing strictly on facial features, since the Mass Effect universe makes it very clear that two eyes/nose/mouth is common, not an anomaly.

Which is exactly why I would like to understand more of their physiology, concealed for so long and if we get the face, we should at least get some more insight on the rest of their body.

The art book shows what turians, krogan, and salarians look like under their armor. The asari is obvious, and we even get to see it. Seeing the quarians revealed, it would be nice to see more of what's under their suits, not just the mask.