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[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Tali herself is probably pretty bitter about having to spend her life in that suit. She is just good at hiding it until her loyalty mission just causes her to lose it on the Alarei.

I agree. Part of her charcter evolution, similarly, in ME2 was that she became bitter and more cynical. Part of the idealism that was part of ME1 had dissolved.

Opposite for me, I truly believe that the idealism is still there, and that we will see it in ME3 when she isn't constantly being dragged through the mud.  Will be interesting to see in ME3.

[Collider]

Mozer121 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

The Quarians transitioning out of their suits would probably take several generations, with each one spending more time outside suits/with fewer suit life support functions needed--Genetically growing tougher as time goes on. This is of course assuming that the Geth give Rannoch back to them/they go to war and reclaim it

Something has always puzzled me. Geth drove them from Rannoch as well as their colonies. Flotilla's sterille environment ruined their immune system's adaptability as quoted by Tali. Surely they had to know that would happen living on ships for so many gernerations. Why didn't they simply form other colonies in non-Geth controlled space as soon as they were drove from their worlds?

1. Not enough resources
2. Not enough manpower
3. Planets that the Quarians can safely live on that aren't in Geth space, or aren't already settled, are scarce (if not non-existent).

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Tali herself is probably pretty bitter about having to spend her life in that suit. She is just good at hiding it until her loyalty mission just causes her to lose it on the Alarei.

I agree. Part of her charcter evolution, similarly, in ME2 was that she became bitter and more cynical. Part of the idealism that was part of ME1 had dissolved.

Opposite for me, I truly believe that the idealism is still there, and that we will see it in ME3 when she isn't constantly being dragged through the mud.  Will be interesting to see in ME3.

I said part.

[Water Dumple]

Mozer121 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

The Quarians transitioning out of their suits would probably take several generations, with each one spending more time outside suits/with fewer suit life support functions needed--Genetically growing tougher as time goes on. This is of course assuming that the Geth give Rannoch back to them/they go to war and reclaim it

Something has always puzzled me. Geth drove them from Rannoch as well as their colonies. Flotilla's sterille environment ruined their immune system's adaptability as quoted by Tali. Surely they had to know that would happen living on ships for so many gernerations. Why didn't they simply form other colonies in non-Geth controlled space as soon as they were driven from their worlds?

Chased off by the damn Council.

I totally let those gits die in my first playthrough.

[Collider]

abatista wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think there would be a sort of poetry to the Quarians reclaiming their homeworld but only their children getting to live their suitless. That would include Tali - and I like the idea of Shepard being with her all the same despite the obstacles.

Part of me wants to see Tali and the quarians immediately cured on the first day with immune systems that could survive atomic fire.

Another part of me doesn't want the quarians losing the tragedy associated with them...

I don't konw what to do...

Perhaps a middle ground then.  The quarians wouldnt be able to leave their suits at first, but over time, would re-adapt to the Rannoch environment.  The game does cover this - If the quarians were to return to Rannoch immediately, they could leave their suits behind after about 60 years.

That would come with several deaths, I assume.

[abatista]

Mozer121 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

The Quarians transitioning out of their suits would probably take several generations, with each one spending more time outside suits/with fewer suit life support functions needed--Genetically growing tougher as time goes on. This is of course assuming that the Geth give Rannoch back to them/they go to war and reclaim it

Something has always puzzled me. Geth drove them from Rannoch as well as their colonies. Flotilla's sterille environment ruined their immune system's adaptability as quoted by Tali. Surely they had to know that would happen living on ships for so many gernerations. Why didn't they simply form other colonies in non-Geth controlled space as soon as they were driven from their worlds?

Because they created the Geth, the Citadel government would not let them have one.  The quarians tried several times to acquire a new planet, each time one was found, it was given to another race.

[Collider]

abatista wrote...

Mozer121 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

The Quarians transitioning out of their suits would probably take several generations, with each one spending more time outside suits/with fewer suit life support functions needed--Genetically growing tougher as time goes on. This is of course assuming that the Geth give Rannoch back to them/they go to war and reclaim it

Something has always puzzled me. Geth drove them from Rannoch as well as their colonies. Flotilla's sterille environment ruined their immune system's adaptability as quoted by Tali. Surely they had to know that would happen living on ships for so many gernerations. Why didn't they simply form other colonies in non-Geth controlled space as soon as they were driven from their worlds?

Because they created the Geth, the Citadel government would not let them have one.  The quarians tried several times to acquire a new planet, each time one was found, it was given to another race.

That as well.

[Mozer121]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Mozer121 wrote...
Something has always puzzled me. Geth drove them from Rannoch as well as their colonies. Flotilla's sterille environment ruined their immune system's adaptability as quoted by Tali. Surely they had to know that would happen living on ships for so many gernerations. Why didn't they simply form other colonies in non-Geth controlled space as soon as they were drove from their worlds?

They tried.
Fucking council.

I don't see how the council could stop them. The council clearly stated that they have no jurisdiction in the Terminus systems. The Quarians could have easily formed colonies in there without any interference since currently the only superpower in those systems is Aria and I doubt she'd give a damn.

[nickFury]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I think there would be a sort of poetry to the Quarians reclaiming their homeworld but only their children getting to live their suitless. That would include Tali - and I like the idea of Shepard being with her all the same despite the obstacles.

Part of me wants to see Tali and the quarians immediately cured on the first day with immune systems that could survive atomic fire.

Another part of me doesn't want the quarians losing the tragedy associated with them...

I don't konw what to do...

I think it is very plausible that their systems could be adapted within a few years as afar as individuals are concerned and a few decades for the whole race. Either way its going to be a process I don't see a walk onto Ranoch and the suits all come off scenario, but I definately think its doable if they can acquire some external support from the alliance, council, or maybe even the geth, or failing that they somehow are able to get the nessessary resources on their own.

[InHarmsWay]

Mozer121 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...
Agreed; that's one reason I like the art of her face I posted several pages back (got reposted if you missed it). It's not repulsively ugly, but certainly not very clean or attractive. I'm fine with her looking almost exactly the same as a young human rather than like an alien, but she should have some deformities like in that fanart.

The Quarian skeletons in the ME2 side mission have already confirmed that Quarian skulls are 99.9% similar to that of humans. The most we'll see is unique skin features like ears, nose, etc. Other than that, facial bone structure won't be anything special.

Anyone think those skeletons were the developers way of teasing what Quarians looked like?

[Collider]

Mozer121 wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Mozer121 wrote...
Something has always puzzled me. Geth drove them from Rannoch as well as their colonies. Flotilla's sterille environment ruined their immune system's adaptability as quoted by Tali. Surely they had to know that would happen living on ships for so many gernerations. Why didn't they simply form other colonies in non-Geth controlled space as soon as they were drove from their worlds?

They tried.
Fucking council.

I don't see how the council could stop them. The council clearly stated that they have no jurisdiction in the Terminus systems. The Quarians could have easily formed colonies in there without any interference since currently the only superpower in those systems is Aria and I doubt she'd give a damn.

That's assuming there are any planets the Quarians can settle on in the Terminus systems.

[Collider]

I wonder, do we have any idea to how long Quarians live? I know I read that a writer said Turians live about as long as humans, but I don't know about Quarians.

[Collider]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I wonder, do we have any idea to how long Quarians live? I know I read that a writer said Turians live about as long as humans, but I don't know about Quarians.

See this right here? Hivemind.

I am a free spirit.

[nickFury]

Phil725 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

The Quarians transitioning out of their suits would probably take several generations, with each one spending more time outside suits/with fewer suit life support functions needed--Genetically growing tougher as time goes on. This is of course assuming that the Geth give Rannoch back to them/they go to war and reclaim it.

Tali mentions 60 years on the Alerei.  Its an educated guess at best though, and I could see it being a lot less personally, given the minor reaction that Tali has to Shep, and the famed adaptability of the quarian immune systems.  Still, 60 years is the set figure for what I assume is society wide complete non necessity for suits.  I assume individuals who are more persistent in adjusting, or go through more gene therapy or whatever will get their long before that as well.

this^^

[Mozer121]

Collider wrote...

That's assuming there are any planets the Quarians can settle on in the Terminus systems.

Good point.

But then again Rannoch is a garden world with an earth-like atmosphere as far as I know from MEwiki. It could be that they just got so comfortable in their ships that they never thought they would have to act quickly before their immune systems were shot.

Modifié par Mozer121, 02 août 2010 - 03:00 .

[Megumeru]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Mozer121 wrote...
Something has always puzzled me. Geth drove them from Rannoch as well as their colonies. Flotilla's sterille environment ruined their immune system's adaptability as quoted by Tali. Surely they had to know that would happen living on ships for so many gernerations. Why didn't they simply form other colonies in non-Geth controlled space as soon as they were drove from their worlds?

They tried.
Fucking council.

After the Geth outbreak, the Council seems to have a very single-minded view of Quarians. Heck, even before the outbreak I believe they have a *thing* against them--evident how they refused to help the Quarians on quelling the Geth.

Sure, the Geth back in the old days is something like 'slavery'. But didn't the Asari practice such as well? Illium, anyone? There's something the Quarians have or did that ticked-off the Council pretty bad. But what?



Oh well, in ME3, I hope to see them rise up as part of the most celebrated species along with the Humans, Krogans, Rachni, and the Geth after kicking the reapers and saving the butts of the council races. Would be cool to fight along side them (in an overly-epic, massive, ground warfare) in one of the council race's homeworld....

[Phil725]

nickFury wrote...
*snip*

I think it is very plausible that their systems could be adapted within a few years as afar as individuals are concerned and a few decades for the whole race. Either way its going to be a process I don't see a walk onto Ranoch and the suits all come off scenario, but I definately think its doable if they can acquire some external support from the alliance, council, or maybe even the geth, or failing that they somehow are able to get the nessessary resources on their own.

Nice, someone else for the benevolent projection side

I'm more interested in how long it will take so that a few hours with anti biotics is as small of a risk as being with Shep personally.  That I can't see being very far off, and that's all I need to see happen.  That much would be such a big deal to Tali.

[Pacifien]

Collider wrote...
That's assuming there are any planets the Quarians can settle on in the Terminus systems.

The Terminus Systems are basically any systems that don't recognize Council authority. Give the Elcor a planet to colonize, you've just increased Citadel space.

The planet was completely unsuitable for Quarians to colonize anyway. They'd spend generations just to build a proper infrastructure. If they're going to colonize, they need to be smart about it because they won't have the mobility of the fleet as an aspect of their defense from pirate attack.

[Collider]

Heck, even before the outbreak I believe they have a *thing* against them--evident how they refused to help the Quarians on quelling the Geth.

I'm not sure they actually did. Why would they? I think the Council is just strict and hardline.

Sure, the Geth back in the old days is something like 'slavery'. But didn't the Asari practice such as well? Illium, anyone? There's something the Quarians have or did that ticked-off the Council pretty bad. But what?

The Geth presumably developed sapience shortly before the Morning War, so it was about as slavery as VIs.

Oh well, in ME3, I hope to see them rise up as part of the most celebrated species along with the Humans, Krogans, Rachni, and the Geth after kicking the reapers and saving the butts of the council races. Would be cool to fight along side them (in an overly-epic, massive, ground warfare) in one of the council race's homeworld....

I think it would take a lot longer for the galaxy to get over their racism against quarians. That stuff doesn't disappear in just one fell swoop.

[Mozer121]

Megumeru wrote...

After the Geth outbreak, the Council seems to have a very single-minded view of Quarians. Heck, even before the outbreak I believe they have a *thing* against them--evident how they refused to help the Quarians on quelling the Geth.

Sure, the Geth back in the old days is something like 'slavery'. But didn't the Asari practice such as well? Illium, anyone? There's something the Quarians have or did that ticked-off the Council pretty bad. But what?



Oh well, in ME3, I hope to see them rise up as part of the most celebrated species along with the Humans, Krogans, Rachni, and the Geth after kicking the reapers and saving the butts of the council races. Would be cool to fight along side them (in an overly-epic, massive, ground warfare) in one of the council race's homeworld....

I can see the Terminus systems being more acceptant of the Reaper threat than Citadel space. Like real-life politics, they're too busy with their heads up their asses; in denial so they can keep living in their happy world that's made of marshmellows.

[Collider]

Mozer121 wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

After the Geth outbreak, the Council seems to have a very single-minded view of Quarians. Heck, even before the outbreak I believe they have a *thing* against them--evident how they refused to help the Quarians on quelling the Geth.

Sure, the Geth back in the old days is something like 'slavery'. But didn't the Asari practice such as well? Illium, anyone? There's something the Quarians have or did that ticked-off the Council pretty bad. But what?



Oh well, in ME3, I hope to see them rise up as part of the most celebrated species along with the Humans, Krogans, Rachni, and the Geth after kicking the reapers and saving the butts of the council races. Would be cool to fight along side them (in an overly-epic, massive, ground warfare) in one of the council race's homeworld....

I can see the Terminus systems being more acceptant of the Reaper threat than Citadel space. Like real-life politics, they're too busy with their heads up their asses; in denial so they can keep living in their happy world that's made of marshmellows.

The Terminus system always struck me as more self-serving and self-centered.

Modifié par Collider, 02 août 2010 - 03:04 .