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[Collider]

Like I said, Shepard does not actually purposefully exile Tali. I think it's valid doing it for story telling purposes.

[NuclearBuddha]

PKchu wrote...
Exiling Tali just to make sure she has to stay with you is like alienating someone from their family so they have to move in with you.

It's selfish, cruel and not very loving. It's not malicious but it's immature.

In my head, you are no longer "the necrophile."  Now you are "the necrophile who shares my point of view."

[RiptideX1090]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Worrywort wrote...

How many people romanced Tali and also got her exiled? I'm thinking about redoing the playthrough where I romanced tali and do that to distance it from my other playthroughs.

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Someone post the good little slave fic, and show this person why doing this is a bad idea.

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Lividity Jones wrote...

PKchu wrote...

Exiling Tali just to make sure she has to stay with you is like alienating someone from their family so they have to move in with you.

It's selfish, cruel and not very loving. It's not malicious but it's immature.

I would argue that is malicious by virtue of being purposefully selfish and cruel , but that's just me.

It's shortsighted though. It's making a selfish decision because you're emotionally immature - you do it not really to hurt it but out of a bad rationalization.

[RiptideX1090]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

PKchu wrote...
Exiling Tali just to make sure she has to stay with you is like alienating someone from their family so they have to move in with you.

It's selfish, cruel and not very loving. It's not malicious but it's immature.

In my head, you are no longer "the necrophile."  Now you are "the necrophile who shares my point of view."

That is VERY disturbing when you think about it...

[Worrywort]

PKchu wrote...

Exiling Tali just to make sure she has to stay with you is like alienating someone from their family so they have to move in with you.

It's selfish, cruel and not very loving. It's not malicious but it's immature.

I think you're taking it the wrong way... I felt like the persuades (and rally the crowd) options were cop outs, and it would have been a lot better of a choice if it was either Tali gets exiled or Shepard presents the evidence. I'm not considering it just so "she stays with me".

[Lividity Jones]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Someone post theXXXXfic, and show this person why doing this is a bad idea.

Can we just pretend that doesn't exist... Makes me kind of sick thinking about it...

I just get angry.

I need to punch something. Hard.

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I have a horrible, horrible idea.



A HORRIBLE IDEA.

[NuclearBuddha]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Someone post the good little slave fic, and show this person why doing this is a bad idea.

You know, that one gets a lot of play, and it's pretty monstrous, but DanteShep wrote a very similar one a while back that was better written and just as creepily manipulative.

He sorta repudiated it when he read Soban's, though.  It put him off being renegade.

[nickFury]

Worrywort wrote...

How many people romanced Tali and also got her exiled? I'm thinking about redoing the playthrough where I romanced tali and do that to distance it from my other playthroughs.

I did one renegade playthrough where I did this thinking of doing a paragade as well.

[NuclearBuddha]

Worrywort wrote...
I think you're taking it the wrong way... I felt like the persuades (and rally the crowd) options were cop outs, and it would have been a lot better of a choice if it was either Tali gets exiled or Shepard presents the evidence. I'm not considering it just so "she stays with me".

Do you consider all ULB/LLR dialogue choices to be cop-outs?  Because that's what it seems like from your definition here.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 02 août 2010 - 03:43 .

[Collider]

Let's not post any facepalm fanfics.

[Worrywort]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Worrywort wrote...
I think you're taking it the wrong way... I felt like the persuades (and rally the crowd) options were cop outs, and it would have been a lot better of a choice if it was either Tali gets exiled or Shepard presents the evidence. I'm not considering it just so "she stays with me".

Do you consider all ULB/LLR dialogue choices to be cop-outs?  Because that's what it seems like from your definition here.

No.

[Phil725]

Worrywort wrote...

PKchu wrote...

Exiling Tali just to make sure she has to stay with you is like alienating someone from their family so they have to move in with you.

It's selfish, cruel and not very loving. It's not malicious but it's immature.

I think you're taking it the wrong way... I felt like the persuades (and rally the crowd) options were cop outs, and it would have been a lot better of a choice if it was either Tali gets exiled or Shepard presents the evidence. I'm not considering it just so "she stays with me".

They're not cop outs as much as they're more complicated than most people realize.  Upper left blue doesn't prove Tali is innocent, it makes it not worth it for the admirals to exile her.  Korris isn't a heartless bastard, just close.  He will only ruin Tali's life if it will benefit him in some way.  After Shep points out all of the things about Tali, and the admiral's intentions, exiling her won't accomplish anything, so he lets her go. 

Its brilliant when you think about it.  You can't prove she's innocent, but you can kill the scapegoat.

[NuclearBuddha]

Worrywort wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Worrywort wrote...
I think you're taking it the wrong way... I felt like the persuades (and rally the crowd) options were cop outs, and it would have been a lot better of a choice if it was either Tali gets exiled or Shepard presents the evidence. I'm not considering it just so "she stays with me".

Do you consider all ULB/LLR dialogue choices to be cop-outs?  Because that's what it seems like from your definition here.

No.

Then is the problem that the situation was just too neatly resolved?  I'd like to explore exactly what makes those three options cop-outs.

[Ormagodenator]

Lividity Jones wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Someone post theXXXXfic, and show this person why doing this is a bad idea.

Can we just pretend that doesn't exist... Makes me kind of sick thinking about it...

I just get angry.

I need to punch something. Hard.

punch a wall,
that always helps me

[Collider]

I don't feel the trial decision is a cop out as much as other decisions because there are still consequences no matter what you do. You don't get to reveal the evidence and everyone is happy because you used charm. That to me would be a Redcliffe level cop out.



Another important note: the trial wasn't really about Tali, it was about the admirals pushing their agendas. Shepard calls them out for it.

[nickFury]

Lividity Jones wrote...

PKchu wrote...

Exiling Tali just to make sure she has to stay with you is like alienating someone from their family so they have to move in with you.

It's selfish, cruel and not very loving. It's not malicious but it's immature.

I would argue that is malicious by virtue of being purposefully selfish and cruel , but that's just me.

to be fair though she obviously prefers this to giving them the data. I mean what if ULB or LLR didnt have the omnipotence that is seems to what would you do then?

[NuclearBuddha]

Oh, and you know what, just to show I'm being intellectually honest here, I think that the ULB/LLR options when you don't talk to the admirals are pretty weak.

Edit:  Eloquent and touching, but I dunno if they'd really be sufficient to get her off the hook.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 02 août 2010 - 03:47 .

[Lividity Jones]

nickFury wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

PKchu wrote...

Exiling Tali just to make sure she has to stay with you is like alienating someone from their family so they have to move in with you.

It's selfish, cruel and not very loving. It's not malicious but it's immature.

I would argue that is malicious by virtue of being purposefully selfish and cruel , but that's just me.

to be fair though she obviously prefers this to giving them the data. I mean what if ULB or LLR didnt have the omnipotence that is seems to what would you do then?

Flip them the bird.

It's worked well for me in the past.

[Collider]

To me the Redcliffe decision in Dragon Age was the ultimate cop out. you could save both people with absolutely no consequences. the tali trial wasn't like that.

[nickFury]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

Worrywort wrote...

How many people romanced Tali and also got her exiled? I'm thinking about redoing the playthrough where I romanced tali and do that to distance it from my other playthroughs.

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Someone post the good little slave fic, and show this person why doing this is a bad idea.

This "fic" it is not indicative of all such playthroughs.