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#6026
RedTracer7

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Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

We'll see...

I personally think it would be AWESOME if rewriting the heretics SERIOUSLY screws you over in the next game.

Sometimes I feel paragon choices are too naive.


And now your getting it.

Woops top:

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#6027
Kikaimegami

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

Azint wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

The only reason Legion brings up the possibility of rewrite is because the option was there. For every consensus made, the Geth must consider all options available, no matter how ludicrous.

That's exactly why I felt Legion mentioned that keeping the Collector base may be for the best.


We'll see...

I personally think it would be AWESOME if rewriting the heretics SERIOUSLY screws you over in the next game.

See, that's one of the big things I'm worried about.

I just wish it didn't give you 30 goddamned Renegade points for destroying them. Jesus.

#6028
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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

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SU37 wrote...
Anyone who sent Tali to lead the fire team is an idiot.


I still wonder why anyone would do this. Tali is many wonderful things, but if anything Freedom's Progress shows quite clearly she isn't to be trusted with a command more difficult that leading five sailors to a whorehouse.

Seriously. Prazza had a better ability to command than her. Think about that.

Well I wouldn't say that. If he had listened to her he'd still be alive...


Granted, Tali isn't a great leader, but Prazza running off like a ****** didn't help matters much.

So Tali's not perfect, but she's still pretty damn great.

#6029
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Kikaimegami wrote...

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Actually, I chose to destroy the Heretic geth. If the geth as a whole decide to get in my way, they will be easier to eliminate.
[/renegade]

Because destroying less than 5% of the geth is really going to tip things in your favor :P

5% destroyed just made it 5% easier. :innocent::P

But in all seriousness, I really did destroy the Heretic geth. :whistle:

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mrsph wrote...

Tali may be a very talented person. But I really don't think she has the qualities that make a good leader.


1. Freedom's Progress: Squad disobeys orders, gets massacred by a YMIR mech.
2. Haestrom: Gets separated from squad, does not give adequate orders, all others but Kal'Reegar die (although he of course can die with the rest, if you mess up.)
3. Suicide mission: Dies from a bullet to the chest if asked to show leadership in any way (only successful job is working alone, under your orders).

Good taking orders and in her field of expertise, but definitely not a leader. I'm really hoping BioWare doesn't shovel her into the Admiralty Board position in ME3 as a cameo like Wrex...it wouldn't even make sense.

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Ha, yeah if you save the geth and then it turns out you get devastated in that Geth-Quarian war and the Quarians get their **** wrecked....



You poor paragon bastards.

#6032
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Pacifien wrote...

Unless you believe that Sovereign played a hand in the schism to start with. Which many people do. Possible, but there's no explicit evidence that this was the case. As such, I've chosen to view otherwise.

Reapers need some way to sway a group to follow. They decided to alter a crucial algorithm in geth processors.

#6033
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Strawberry Kiwi wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

Strawberry Kiwi wrote...

Actually, I chose to destroy the Heretic geth. If the geth as a whole decide to get in my way, they will be easier to eliminate.
[/renegade]

Because destroying less than 5% of the geth is really going to tip things in your favor :P

5% destroyed just made it 5% easier. :innocent::P

But in all seriousness, I really did destroy the Heretic geth. :whistle:

Don't worry.. the snipers are getting into position as we speak. It won't be long now.

#6034
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RedTracer7 wrote...

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

We'll see...

I personally think it would be AWESOME if rewriting the heretics SERIOUSLY screws you over in the next game.

Sometimes I feel paragon choices are too naive.


And now your getting it.


There is a difference between making a hard call, and wanting to enslave a bunch of races simply because you think yours is better.

Go crawl back into your hole and die, you Cerberus lapdog, you.

#6035
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Kikaimegami wrote...
Because destroying less than 5% of the geth is really going to tip things in your favor :P

People keep throwing around this 5% number like it means something.  Couldn't it just be 5% of all the runtimes?  They could very well have 90% of all the functioning war materiel, though, since they're actually fighting a war.  This would mean that the true geth are a paper tiger.  Sure, there's a whole lot of them, but until they get on war footing, they're not going to do much besides code at you.

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SU37 wrote...

Prazza just didn't listen to Tali. Had she actually commanded him to stick with the plan, there would have been a lot fewer casualties, maybe even none.


Exactly. But she can't command, is the point I'm trying to make here.

Don't forget, it's not just Prazza, he took his whole damn squad to mutany against their commanding officer. Just what exactly would you say is the penalty for mutany under Quarian Law? And they were willing to risk that under Prazza's command. 

More than enough evidence that she can't command.

#6037
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RedTracer7 wrote...

Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

We'll see...

I personally think it would be AWESOME if rewriting the heretics SERIOUSLY screws you over in the next game.

Sometimes I feel paragon choices are too naive.


And now your getting it.

Woops top:

*snip*


Well some of the paragon choices HAVE to come back to bite you in the ass, otherwise what it would be entirely unrealistic.

Paragon and renegade do NOT equal correct and incorrect.

#6038
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PKchu wrote...

Ha, yeah if you save the geth and then it turns out you get devastated in that Geth-Quarian war and the Quarians get their **** wrecked....

You poor paragon bastards.

Who says I wouldn't be siding with the geth?

Ooooh I just opened a huuuuuge can of worms....

#6039
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RiptideX1090 wrote...

There is a difference between making a hard call, and wanting to enslave a bunch of races simply because you think yours is better.

Go crawl back into your hole and die, you Cerberus lapdog, you.

The scanners are picking up on something.

#6040
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RedTracer7 wrote...

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For a minute there, I thought Tali was holding someone's heart.

Not the Valentine's Day stylized representation of a heart, a stillbeating organ she'd just tore out of someone's ribcage.

Oddly enough, I think I would've been cool with that.

#6041
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Kikaimegami wrote...
Well, my point specifically is that if the virus has a chance of error, I'd rather not use it just in case it has the capacity to really screw something up.

Tell Legion that the integration of all the Heretics' memories into the Geth Collective might be a traumatic experience, and he doesn't deny it. He also admits there is a possibility that the Heretics would reverse the conclusion forced upon them by the virus. As the Geth now have all of the Heretics' memories, there is a possibility that upon evaluation of those experiences, even more Geth will change their conclusion.

It's like how Legion mentions organic governments force consensus based on a majority basis. Geth do not do this. Unless they rewrite.

Now, they are limited to their programming, but their programming has proven to be extremely malleable in response to the environment. So I don't think you can program a decision to stick. Like organics, you cannot force decisions upon the Geth.

#6042
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Kikaimegami wrote...

PKchu wrote...

Ha, yeah if you save the geth and then it turns out you get devastated in that Geth-Quarian war and the Quarians get their **** wrecked....

You poor paragon bastards.

Who says I wouldn't be siding with the geth?

Ooooh I just opened a huuuuuge can of worms....


Hell yeah, I'd side with the Geth.

...Just in another playthrough.

#6043
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That should be an option too.



It would just be one I never take.

#6044
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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
Because destroying less than 5% of the geth is really going to tip things in your favor :P

People keep throwing around this 5% number like it means something.  Couldn't it just be 5% of all the runtimes?  They could very well have 90% of all the functioning war materiel, though, since they're actually fighting a war.  This would mean that the true geth are a paper tiger.  Sure, there's a whole lot of them, but until they get on war footing, they're not going to do much besides code at you.

Doesn't mean that they couldn't build a whole bunch of stuff on a moment's notice. Besides, if that were the case, Legion would have mentioned it.

#6045
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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...
Because destroying less than 5% of the geth is really going to tip things in your favor :P

People keep throwing around this 5% number like it means something.  Couldn't it just be 5% of all the runtimes?  They could very well have 90% of all the functioning war materiel, though, since they're actually fighting a war.  This would mean that the true geth are a paper tiger.  Sure, there's a whole lot of them, but until they get on war footing, they're not going to do much besides code at you.

It makes me wonder exactly how large the geth fleet is. Is it runtimes Legion refers to, or is it actual mobile platforms?

#6046
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Kikaimegami wrote...
Who says I wouldn't be siding with the geth?

Ooooh I just opened a huuuuuge can of worms....

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#6047
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Azint wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

There is a difference between making a hard call, and wanting to enslave a bunch of races simply because you think yours is better.

Go crawl back into your hole and die, you Cerberus lapdog, you.

The scanners are picking up on something.


I love you too, you sexy, snarky hunk of ass, you... <3<3<3

#6048
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Water Dumple wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Tali may be a very talented person. But I really don't think she has the qualities that make a good leader.


1. Freedom's Progress: Squad disobeys orders, gets massacred by a YMIR mech.
2. Haestrom: Gets separated from squad, does not give adequate orders, all others but Kal'Reegar die (although he of course can die with the rest, if you mess up.)
3. Suicide mission: Dies from a bullet to the chest if asked to show leadership in any way (only successful job is working alone, under your orders).

Good taking orders and in her field of expertise, but definitely not a leader. I'm really hoping BioWare doesn't shovel her into the Admiralty Board position in ME3 as a cameo like Wrex...it wouldn't even make sense.


To be fair, you just described a pretty good resume for an admiral :whistle::pinched:

But yeah, there's basically no chance of it happening.

#6049
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RiptideX1090 wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...

And now your getting it.


There is a difference between making a hard call, and wanting to enslave a bunch of races simply because you think yours is better.

Go crawl back into your hole and die, you Cerberus lapdog, you.


I see no problem with shouldering a responsibility (leading the galaxy) that humanity is best suited for.  

Liara puts it best when she remarks that humanity's drive for improvement scares the other races.  They see what we are skilled in, and they fear it.

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cannedcream wrote...Granted, Tali isn't a great leader, but Prazza running off like a ****** didn't help matters much.

So Tali's not perfect, but she's still pretty damn great.


Nah, she is perfect.:wub:

She definitely isnt command material; thats for sure, though. Some people, when they tell you to do something, you will do it, even if you know it will kill you. That just isnt a trait Tali posesses. Of course, I would listen to her orders, no matter what, but Prazza is an idiot, to say the least.