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[ElectronicPostingInterface]

Yeah, it's possible I misremembered, but I only beat ME1 twice, once with Wrex/Tali and once with Garrus/Tali at the end. Wrex was all "let the council die" the first time, then it was Tali who flipped position.



I always saw it as Garrus having an emotional attachment to the Council due to the Turian seat, but then again, he himself says he is a lousy Turian.

[NCLanceman]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Saying she's a good leader but only of other engineers is kinda pointless.  There aren't that many teams of engineers poised to alter the face of the galaxy that need leading.

Speaking of which, whatever happened to Voyage of the Paus?

[Azint]

Pacifien wrote...

Legion went to the derelict Reaper because somehow the Geth learned that 1) the Heretics were writing a virus and they were storing this virus on a quantum storage device that Sovereign provided. I actually think once the Heretics joined with Sovereign, the Reaper did massive modification of their code (all the more reason not to reintegrate them into the Geth), and had possibly considered the virus project to convert all the Geth. For whatever reason*cough*retcon*cough*, he dumped that idea and went with Saren's Conduit plan.

Anyway, Legion does say that Sovereign signaled the Geth with an offer. The Heretics accepted.

It's been way too long since I last played. I'm trying to restore my knowledge with a nother playthrough.

It's interesting that you note the reintegration in this context. If the geth were to accept the heretics after a rewrite, then the geth would understand what happened and how they lost control of themselves. It could possibly make trying to control them all the more difficult.

[Kikaimegami]

I'm pretty sure things like the Saren shooting scene are decided at least partially on what order you selected your squad members.

[NuclearBuddha]

PKchu wrote...
I can see why she could say that. But...I dunno, her personality doesn't...

Eh. You make a good point. I think overall though she would hold the whole "dying as military for civilians and leaders, etc." over personal disputes.

For what it's worth, I agree.  She seems more kind-hearted than vengeful.

However, Azint has the right of things.  Barring the odd glitch (I've seen a vid of Tali arguing against herself about saving the Council) there is a paragon/renegade scale that the game consults to figure out who gives what opinion.

[RedTracer7]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...
Wrex let the quarian girl cap Saren in the head. 

He thought it would build character.

Ha!

That makes me wonder what would have happened if you could have had Wrex along in ME2 during Tali's loyalty mission.

*Standing over Rael's body*

Wrex:  You going to finish him?

Tali: *Through Tears* ...W-What?

Wrex:  *Mimics placing his pistol to his head and pulling the trigger*

Tali:  I-I... how could you?

Wrex:  Need to be careful.  Rule Two: Double Tap

[NuclearBuddha]

NCLanceman wrote...
Speaking of which, whatever happened to Voyage of the Paus?

Call of the Elder Machines happened.

[RiptideX1090]

mrsph wrote...

I think Ashley is more renegade than Garrus.

In order from renegade to paragon.

Wrex. Ash. Garrus. Tali. Kaiden. Liara.

And seeing how Liara is going around rearanging people's organs with her powers... that speaks volumes for the others...

[FsDxRAGE]

RedTracer7 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...
Wrex let the quarian girl cap Saren in the head. 

He thought it would build character.

Ha!

That makes me wonder what would have happened if you could have had Wrex along in ME2 during Tali's loyalty mission.

*Standing over Rael's body*

Wrex:  You going to finish him?

Tali: *Through Tears* ...W-What?

Wrex:  *Mimics placing his pistol to his head and pulling the trigger*

Tali:  I-I... how could you?

Wrex:  Need to be careful.  Rule Two: Double Tap

I...I... I lol'd

[Azint]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

"The crazy ones, you don't know what they'll do to me!"

Tali lowers her pistol, watching the advancing hunters.

"I think we have a pretty good idea."

Dat renegade quarian... <3<3<3

I need to see this.

[NuclearBuddha]

RedTracer7 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...
Wrex let the quarian girl cap Saren in the head. 

He thought it would build character.

Ha!

That makes me wonder what would have happened if you could have had Wrex along in ME2 during Tali's loyalty mission.

*Standing over Rael's body*

Wrex:  You going to finish him?

Tali: *Through Tears* ...W-What?

Wrex:  *Mimics placing his pistol to his head and pulling the trigger*

Tali:  I-I... how could you?

Wrex:  Need to be careful.  Rule Two: Double Tap

Zombie Rael disapproves.

[Kikaimegami]

RedTracer7 wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...
Wrex let the quarian girl cap Saren in the head. 

He thought it would build character.

Ha!

That makes me wonder what would have happened if you could have had Wrex along in ME2 during Tali's loyalty mission.

*Standing over Rael's body*

Wrex:  You going to finish him?

Tali: *Through Tears* ...W-What?

Wrex:  *Mimics placing his pistol to his head and pulling the trigger*

Tali:  I-I... how could you?

Wrex:  Need to be careful.  Rule Two: Double Tap

About half of my playthroughs, my Shepard would have done that if possible...

[Pacifien]

Kikaimegami wrote...
I'm pretty sure things like the Saren shooting scene are decided at least partially on what order you selected your squad members.

Not sure about who shoots Saren, but who comments on saving/not saving the Council/Rachni does go on a fixed paragon/renegade scale. Though Kaidan/Ashley's place in that scale can change depending on your conversations with them.

[SpaceBuscuit]

Kikaimegami wrote...

SpaceBuscuit wrote...

PKchu wrote...

Definitely, Azint.

One could argue Anderson is a great leader but only in particular spheres - he sucks as a politician.

But wasn't that kinda the point? Shepard chose him precisely because he wasn't a politician, and so could approach council issues from a different perspective.

You can argue that Tali isn't a good leader, but to me, it says more about those following her. That they weren't able to respect her just because she was too nice or awkward, regardless of the value of her instructions.

It's implied by Prazza's dialogue that the reason why they can't respect her is.. because her father is an Admiral.

What.

That makes sense in a way. If they couldn't respect her because they believe her authority comes from birhtright rather than from merit. Still, hasn't Tali already proved herself on her own talents?

[Pacifien]

RiptideX1090 wrote...
In order from renegade to paragon.

Wrex. Ash. Garrus. Tali. Kaiden. Liara.

Seriously, it's actually Liara then Kaidan.

[NuclearBuddha]

Kikaimegami wrote...
It's implied by Prazza's dialogue that the reason why they can't respect her is.. because her father is an Admiral.

What.

Nobody likes nepotism.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

PKchu wrote...
I can see why she could say that. But...I dunno, her personality doesn't...

Eh. You make a good point. I think overall though she would hold the whole "dying as military for civilians and leaders, etc." over personal disputes.

For what it's worth, I agree.  She seems more kind-hearted than vengeful.

However, Azint has the right of things.  Barring the odd glitch (I've seen a vid of Tali arguing against herself about saving the Council) there is a paragon/renegade scale that the game consults to figure out who gives what opinion.

Yeah, that youtube I linked to was the glitch where she argues against herself.

[Azint]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Wrex:  Need to be careful.  Rule Two: Double Tap

Oddly appropriate.

[NCLanceman]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

NCLanceman wrote...
Speaking of which, whatever happened to Voyage of the Paus?

Call of the Elder Machines happened.

Oh lawd. This is Fear Nothing and Seize the Night all over again.

Dammit Dean Koontz, I'm still waiting on that third book. You said this was supposed to be a trilogy!

[SpaceBuscuit]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

I think Ashley is more renegade than Garrus.

In order from renegade to paragon.

Wrex. Ash. Garrus. Tali. Kaiden. Liara.

And seeing how Liara is going around rearanging people's organs with her powers... that speaks volumes for the others...

It has always seemed to me that Tali is the most Paragon of all. Her only prejudices seem to be against the geth, but aside from that, she is a total Care Bear.

[NuclearBuddha]

PKchu wrote...
Yeah, that youtube I linked to was the glitch where she argues against herself.

Ah, I see that now.  I thought it was the one where Garrus is all save the council instead.

[Azint]

Pacifien wrote...

Kaidan actually goes before Liara on that scale. There was something I found quite amusing about watching the asari archeologist putting a bullet through Saren's brain. Girl was cold even back then, should have been no surprise how she ended up two years later.

Well it looks like my resources are out of date. I should go and seek out this information mysef.