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I may have written a thing or two on it. Romeo was an idiot. Juliet was a ****, and both families were utter idiots who hated eachother for no discernable reason. How this play became as popular as it did is beyond me. The plot is like something of a bad Romance Drama film. Definately not the kind of thing I can see Tali enjoying. She seems more sophisticated than that. I bet she'd love a movie like Titanic. Two people meet on a ship, have a wild time together... and it ends with the man dying...

Or the original little mermaid book, and how humans should stay with humans, and merpeople with merpeople, and how a romance between the two would be foolish, and end in tragedy.

I actually would believe Tali would find Romeo and Juliet to be a very fascinating story that she may even enjoy. Tali is not strictly analytical sort, I seriously doubt she would look at a story and dissect it to try and find what it means to her, I think she would be more attentive to what the story itself is; a tragic romance. If you actually believe Romeo and Juliet was ever a story of idealistic romance, then you are naive. The story was meant to be dark, it was meant to ground such a wild fantasy in realism. It was a light, fluffy story that takes a grim turn, and crushes what was apparent to be fate.

It's morbid, but I do believe Tali would appreciate that the story was to show that not all love ends in fantasy and dreams. It would show her how tragic it can become, for something as frail as love to be destroyed by any event. This sort of message would show that her own love would have to be special, it needs so mean something more to her than an idea. It would tell her that love, true love, must be sought and not given. If she can not suffer the duress of a tragic story, how would she go through what is happening now?


Interesting take, Azint.

I guess we'd never know if we didn't ask her.

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RiptideX1090 wrote...
Shower her with hugs, kisses on her mouthpiece and suit, cuddling, snuggling, and only the best foodpaste on the market, preferably, the rare meat and fish kind that quarians love so much.

Considering I can get a pretty decent vegetarian breakfast sausage, I bet there's some excellent food paste out there for quarians.

There's a correlation in there somewhere.


I've always assumed food paste is just like nutritional pudding personally.  If they can go faster than light, they can make pudding nutritious dammit :pinched:


I've always assumed that the Food Pastes were tasteless.  Thus their would be no inclination to eat more than they had to.  Quarians would only eat what they had to, in order to survive.

The Fleet could then stretch their limited resources even further.

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Ah, a new thread, with room to grow. And an OP that's actually around (and not trolling).



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RedTracer7 wrote...


Speaking of SPECTRE shotguns, playing ME1 today really showed how much of badass Tali is.  Two enemies were stand side by side, each with 3 shield bars and each using the "turn my HP bar white and make me hard to kill" skill they seem to pick up late in the game.  With my assault rifle, I start banging away at one, whittling down his health over the period of about 5 seconds.  Tali, apparently seeing this, comes up and finished the one I am shooting at off with a 'Carnage' blast from her shotgun.  She then turns on the other one, AND DROPS THE GUY IN A SINGLE GLORIOUS BLAST OF BUCKSHOT.

Needless to say, I reevaluated my weapon specialization choices...


Adda girl, Tali. Adda girl. ^_^

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I've always assumed that the Food Pastes were tasteless.  Thus their would be no inclination to eat more than they had to.  Quarians would only eat what they had to, in order to survive.

The Fleet could then stretch their limited resources even further.

There's some indication that they've got flavors.  The codex says quarians gorge themselves when they get a chance to try something new.

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I'd also like to express support for Romeo and Juliet. Though I think the modern version w/ Clair Danes is probably the best showing of it I've seen.



Then again, I like stories that are twisted around.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

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I've always assumed that the Food Pastes were tasteless.  Thus their would be no inclination to eat more than they had to.  Quarians would only eat what they had to, in order to survive.

The Fleet could then stretch their limited resources even further.

There's some indication that they've got flavors.  The codex says quarians gorge themselves when they get a chance to try something new.


But these are always outside sources, meat products from Turian space, for example.  Tasteless pastes would thus make this inclination to gorge themselves even more likely.

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RedTracer7 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Shower her with hugs, kisses on her mouthpiece and suit, cuddling, snuggling, and only the best foodpaste on the market, preferably, the rare meat and fish kind that quarians love so much.

Considering I can get a pretty decent vegetarian breakfast sausage, I bet there's some excellent food paste out there for quarians.

There's a correlation in there somewhere.


I've always assumed food paste is just like nutritional pudding personally.  If they can go faster than light, they can make pudding nutritious dammit :pinched:


I've always assumed that the Food Pastes were tasteless.  Thus their would be no inclination to eat more than they had to.  Quarians would only eat what they had to, in order to survive.

The Fleet could then stretch their limited resources even further.


I think it has flavor to it. If you eat the same amount every day, and it's enough to sustain you, you wouldn't crave more as often as you'd think. Besides, the quarians are still people, and they still want what pleasures they can get in life. The taste of food is one such thing.

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Interesting take, Azint.

I guess we'd never know if we didn't ask her.

I do have a gripe with the average Talimancer, one that I have already explained and that has never been understood.

Tali is not always going to end up with Shepard, but many here completly forget that. It's not as if Tali was Shepard's true love, and that alone. She can clearly go on without Shepard, and she can continue even without that love.

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Of course spending hours and resources  figuring out a way for her to smell a rose with out having to be in her suit or feel a warm breeze on her  face.  You she did mention about how envious she is  about how humans and others can live with suits. I willing  going out on limb and say she  would enjoy greatly if found away to put a really glamorous dress at least for one  and actually feel beautiful outside her suit.
 
I may be  crazy i just have this sinking feeling that she does not see herself as being well attractive, just a thought
   


It's difficult to imagine how the concept of attraction even works for a Quarian. Since even to show your face to another is an act of extreme intimacy, physical attractiveness is presumably not so important. I would suppose they place far greater emphasis on personality and/or status, in which case Tali would be incredibly desirable.

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Azint wrote...

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Interesting take, Azint.

I guess we'd never know if we didn't ask her.

I do have a gripe with the average Talimancer, one that I have already explained and that has never been understood.

Tali is not always going to end up with Shepard, but many here completly forget that. It's not as if Tali was Shepard's true love, and that alone. She can clearly go on without Shepard, and she can continue even without that love.


Uh... yeah. I wouldn't have disagreed with that...

Glad we... cleared that up?

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But these are always outside sources, meat products from Turian space, for example.  Tasteless pastes would thus make this inclination to gorge themselves even more likely.

I think it is a reference that the fleet primarily eats vegetable based pastes.  So the protein based ones are considered a delicacy.

That would seem to indicate that there are different pastes, even on the fleet.

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I've always assumed that the Food Pastes were tasteless.  Thus their would be no inclination to eat more than they had to.  Quarians would only eat what they had to, in order to survive.

The Fleet could then stretch their limited resources even further.

Interesting interpretation. I think the Migrant Fleet wanted to keep the food tasteless and purely a functional aspect of life, but when the quarians go on their pilgrimages and taste what other races have to offer. I can see some company specializing in gourmet food paste just to drive a quarian away from the pilgrimage and stay working for them. And when quarians do return from the pilgrimage, they bring their stories of all those great foods, thus destroying the Migrant Fleet's intentions to keep it functional and bland.

So if you make an emergency kit for your car or something, they say to include dog food. For human consumption. This is because, being dog food, you'll likely only crack that thing open when your body really needs it.

Cat food tastes better than dog food.

Don't judge me. I do it all FOR SCIENCE!

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RedTracer7 wrote...
But these are always outside sources, meat products from Turian space, for example.  Tasteless pastes would thus make this inclination to gorge themselves even more likely.

Right, but probably pasted to make for efficient transport and sterilization.  I'm willing to grant that ration paste or whatever is like cardboard or something equally unappetizing, but I don't know that uniform tastelessness would be even remotely required.

Anyway, Ascension suggests that food might be more common than we usually think, since it describes cooking materials in quarian living cubicles.

Modifié par NuclearBuddha, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:51 .


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NuclearBuddha wrote...

I'd also like to express support for Romeo and Juliet. Though I think the modern version w/ Clair Danes is probably the best showing of it I've seen.

Then again, I like stories that are twisted around.

The one with Leonardo DiCaprio and guns?

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

Uh... yeah. I wouldn't have disagreed with that...

Glad we... cleared that up?

I wasn't directing it at you. I was making a statement that relates to my point.

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Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I'd also like to express support for Romeo and Juliet. Though I think the modern version w/ Clair Danes is probably the best showing of it I've seen.

Then again, I like stories that are twisted around.

The one with Leonardo DiCaprio and guns?

Yes.  I loved it.  It really made Mercutio an exciting and humorous character.

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I saw some people post their Shepard's backstory and how they got involved with Tali in the previous thread, so here's mine.

Name: Andrew Shepard
Ethnicity: Caucasian (Hungarian/English)
Hair: Dirty Blonde
Eyes: Medium Blue
Home Planet: Mindoir
Morale system: Paragon (renegade once in a while)
class: Sentinel
ME LI: None.
ME2 LI: Tali

Pre-Alliance Life

While Andrew's mother was pregnant with him, a ship crash landed and exploded on Mindoir releasing Eezo dust. Many children died from the exposure. Shepard was the only one to develop biotic abilities from the accident. 90% of other exposures led to cancer that killed the children shortly after birth. For the time being, his abilities were kept secret, until one night where he came upon several of his class mates about to sexually assault another classmate. He attempted to fight them using fighting techniques taught to him from his instructor, but was outnumbered and was forced to rely on his biotic abilties. He was successful in defeating them, but then his secret was out. He spent years being ridiculed for being a biotic. That changed when the slavers came to Mindoir. Shepard was forced in between saving his parents or saving a classroom filled with the very same students who bullied and harrassed him for years. Despite every feeling in him urging him to leave them to rot, he stayed to do the right thing. He took down a dozen slavers while receiving a couple gunshot wounds. The students were... somewhat grateful. He still spent the next several years alone.

He enlisted at age 18 and showed extrodinary biotic and tech talents. While his tech skills were not on par with an engineer, he was still considered a "jack-of-all-trades". He graduated from the N7 program. While on leave on Elysium, slavers attacked. With littel resources and marines, Shepard had to rally civilians to aid in the defense of Elysium. He risked his own life to ensure the shetlers were protected. Shepard led a small task group that consisted of three humans and a quarian, to turn off the guardian laser system to allow Alliance reinforcements to land.

To buy the squad time to retreat, Shepard stayed behind to hold off the pirates. An explosion sent shrapnel that created a vertical cut across his left eye. When the slavers were upon Shepard, the Alliance arrived in time to stop them. Shepard was awarded the Star of Terra for his efforts and was promoted to Lt. Commander.

Years passed and Shepard found himself on the Citadel looking for evidence to prove Saren is a traitor. That was when he found Tali'Zorah. This young woman who was able to defend herself against assassin and even extract a geth memory core (a feat that even Alliance's top scientists have trouble with). Helping her up to her feet, he felt something. Just a good feeling about her. He found her to be very selfless when she gave them the data without asking for anything in returned (data that was worth millions). He has so rarely seen such selflessness. And even after doing so, still volunteered to join his mission despite the dangers.

Shepard spent a lot of time talking to Tali about her and her people. They even talked about tech. While Shepard was no where near her league in terms of technical abilities, he knew enough to keep up. He realized what he was feeling when he was around her: affection. He was falling for her. Upon looking at those feelings, he believed one of the things that connected them was that they were both sorely misunderstood. As a Bitoic, Shepard was disliked in public. It was barely any better in the Alliance. There the soldiers would either avoid you (thinking that you might crack and destroy the building) or harrass you endlessly. With very few occasions where it was just apathy, that they didn't care he was a Biotic. Along with their similar situation, her selflessness, her attitude, her voice. Hell he couldn't even think of anything he didn't like about her. Well except one... Her pilgrimage. Once she completes it, she'll leave leaving him back to where he was before: alone. So combined with that knowledge and the fact that he had no idea how she felt, he kept quiet.

Shortly after taking down a geth incursion, he found data about the Geth's evolution. The perfect pilgrimage gift. He knew what was the right thing to do (despite every feeling in him saying not to do it). Shepard went down to engineering where Tali immediately asked for the data. He handed the data over without resistance earning her gratitude. And when she thanked him and said that the only thing she could offer him in return is what he already has, her loyalty and services until the mission ended. "I never wanted anything more," he lied. There was one thing he wanted. The only thing he wanted.

After the end of Saren, Tali still stayed on the ship and made no mention of going back to the Fleet which was unusual, but he didn't complain. Then the Collector's came. Those final moments before he ran out of air, the thoughts of regret ran through his mind. He never told her...

He later woke up in a lab and wonder how he got there only later to be given an unsatisfying surprise. When he got to Freedom's Progress, he stiffled every feeling and urge in his mind and body to not run to Tali and tell her everything. All he could muster when she asked if it was him, was asking if the data helped her complete her pilgrimage.

Then came to Veetor, who he gladly handed over to Tali. No way in hell he trusts Cerberus with interrogating a Quarian, not to mention he was delusional. Though before he did, he asked her if she could join him. It sadden him she couldn't but his spirits were risen when she said she could after her next mission.

After receiving the dossier about Tali he rushed to her aid on Haestrom. He wasn't about to lose her. Not now. Garrus, Grunt and him plowed through every Geth like they were a mild obstacle. He was relieved to see she was still alive when he communicated with her. She asked him to make sure Kal survived. He could never deny her requests, but grew worried about Kal. Was he Tali's boyfriend? He still rescued him and her. It felt good to have her back on the ship. It felt like normalcy returned to his life. Then came to message. The Trial. Anger boiled inside him. How dare they charge her with Treason. Despite the anger, he kept a levleed head during the proceedings, even making Koris look incompetent. He got they on the Alarei, where they found Rael's body. Garrus stood silently. Tali wept uncontrollably. The only thing Shepard could do wasplace a hand on her should, tug a little to let her know he was there for her. She turned and hugged him and cried in his arms. It felt like his heart was crumbling to pieces when she cried. Garrus only gave a knowing, serious glance.

Rael caused all of this, but even after all he's done, she didn't want him to be punished for it. Shepard felt angry again, now towards Rael. Never told his daughter he loved her. Treated her like another soldier. and now he's gone, and left her with this mess to clean up. And if this evidence was covered, she would be exiled. He said nothing about using the eivdence. Again he could not deny her requests. They returned to the Rayya to continue the trial. The Admirals asked if they found anything to clarify what happened or to prove her good judgement. One thought in his mind, "no". As he approached the podium, Tali made one last plea, "Shepard, please..." Something snapped in his mind. Just let it all go. Your feelings, your regret, your anger. Along with a classic lawyer line, "If the law is against you, argue the fact. If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the facts and  the law are against you, you pound you fist against the desk and yell as hard as you can." There followed he speech about Tali's service and that the trial was nothing but a sham to cover a political agenda. The Admirals were spooked. His breathing was heavy as they casted the vote.

"We do not find evidence to convict you. You are cleared of all charges." He breathed a sigh of relief.

She thanked him was was surprised that he pulled it off. Shepard tried to tell her he didn't do this for her father, it was for her and that she deserved better.

"I got better. I got you." The was a sound of longing to her voice.

Later he came to check on her, she was suffering from a fever. A fever that started them on a path towards honesty and love.

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I do have a gripe with the average Talimancer, one that I have already explained and that has never been understood.

Tali is not always going to end up with Shepard, but many here completly forget that. It's not as if Tali was Shepard's true love, and that alone. She can clearly go on without Shepard, and she can continue even without that love.

I think I have this conversation with every romance thread. It's turned on its head with the Thane thread, because some people mention they won't romance him because he has loved before. As if more than one relationship in one's life was a tragedy in and of itself.

Since I didn't get her exiled, I think Tali's future will always be with the Fleet. There are the good times with Shepard as they work together on the Reaper threat, maybe good times beyond that, but she will always return home. Probably doesn't help matters that I always play Shepard as burning bright, dying young.

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Yes.  I loved it.  It really made Mercutio an exciting and humorous character.


Ah, now I know which one you're talking about. Saw that on TV once and enjoyed it.

Never really cared much for Shakespeare, and it's not a film I'd go out of my way to watch again, but it was something that I glad I saw at least once.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Azint wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...
I'd also like to express support for Romeo and Juliet. Though I think the modern version w/ Clair Danes is probably the best showing of it I've seen.

Then again, I like stories that are twisted around.

The one with Leonardo DiCaprio and guns?

Yes.  I loved it.  It really made Mercutio an exciting and humorous character.

John Leguizamo as Tybalt.

That was a surprise casting choice.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

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But these are always outside sources, meat products from Turian space, for example.  Tasteless pastes would thus make this inclination to gorge themselves even more likely.

Right, but probably pasted to make for efficient transport and sterilization.  I'm willing to grant that ration paste or whatever is like cardboard or something equally unappetizing, but I don't know that uniform tastelessness would be even remotely required.

Anyway, Ascension suggests that food might be more common than we usually think, since it describes cooking materials in quarian living cubicles.


You see, I was just working on a 'Rannoch Eatery' scene for Beneath the Veil, and I had been leaning towards my earlier assumption.  But now I think I like a corrupted form of your idea better.  When dietary efficency or food output drop, then the pastes would be bland and tasteless.  But, especially when considering Ascension, I now think Qurians would try and make their foods tasty when it was possible.

Mark this one down:  I have been swayed towards a different viewpoint.

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...
Romeo was an idiot who fell in love with the concept of love, and not the person he was supposedly falling in love with. That would be the thing to turn Tali off, I think. She seems more like the "love them for them" kinda girl. I doubt Romeo and Juliet's romance would entertain her at all.

You must have written an essay about how Romeo and Juliet was about the folly of youthful romance versus the tragedy of love.

Well, that's the essay I wrote, at least.


I may have written a thing or two on it. Romeo was an idiot. Juliet was a ****, and both families were utter idiots who hated eachother for no discernable reason. How this play became as popular as it did is beyond me. The plot is like something of a bad Romance Drama film. Definately not the kind of thing I can see Tali enjoying. She seems more sophisticated than that. I bet she'd love a movie like Titanic. Two people meet on a ship, have a wild time together... and it ends with the man dying...

Or the original little mermaid book, and how humans should stay with humans, and merpeople with merpeople, and how a romance between the two would be foolish, and end in tragedy.



 

While being  amazing deep and thought provoking, i can't shake the sinking feeling that these would do nothing more than just put her into a depression.  Especially  Titanic  really   the man she loves dying on a ship and she living the rest of her life grieving him. Don't you  think that might hit a little too close home ... ya know  SR - 1,  Collectors , Shepherd being spaced and dying.


Some of the best stories are the ones without happy endings. The message from Titanic would be clear to her. Woman loses person she loves, but finds life in it. She goes on to live a long, full life, while never forgetting the person that opened her to the wonders of the universe. This applies to Tali and to Rose.

 

Rip I agree  with you  some of the best  stories are with out happy endings.(Has the sudden urge to watch House of the Flying Daggers).   What I'm saying is this,  Shepherd live in universe that at times is really ugly and the watching something that she  has and could possible live through  again could put in pits  as well.   Movies are also about getting away even if its just for 2 hours from the ugly realities thats all I am saying. She may very well enjoy  something with a happy ending where the lover ride off into the sunset as well as that are thought provoking.  

Now I will be back shortly i'm going to load  House of the Flying Daggers into PS3 and watch it. 
 *Spoiler alert* 
Just because at the end the girl dies to keep  both guys from killing each other. 

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Azint wrote...
John Leguizamo as Tybalt.

That was a surprise casting choice.

See!  It's infectious!  Anyway, I think the more modern update might be more appropriate for movie night on the Normandy.  Since let's face it, the quarians have spent 2000 years as a spacefaring culture already.

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Azint wrote...
I do have a gripe with the average Talimancer, one that I have already explained and that has never been understood.

Tali is not always going to end up with Shepard, but many here completly forget that. It's not as if Tali was Shepard's true love, and that alone. She can clearly go on without Shepard, and she can continue even without that love.

This is true.  At the same time, I don't think she is actually looking for love, necessarily.  I get the feeling, especially given how it plays out with femsheps, that it is the trust, and sense of belonging, that she most cherishes.   Considering her comments about quarians in general, I get the impression that they look at romantic love as a nicety, but generally as impractical. 

Methinks that, given how Rael is not even on the same ship, that arranged parings (for the propagation of the species) are the norm amongst the fleet. Given that, one would presume that some of the outlying themes of Romeo and Juliet would resonate with her differently than with humans.