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[Collider]

Part of the Quarians' faults is that they have this goal they are set on - but they don't know how to achieve it. That results in things like pro-war sentiment where the plan is a very basic and shortsigted "throw everything and the kitchen sink at the geth," people simply being conflicted or bitter, or pro peace sentiment as seen with Korris.

[Mazder]

Hello anything happen since my connection died yesterday?...anything at all Tali related?

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider wrote...
Of course, it's always possible that Shepard can actually agree with what he is saying instead of trying to tell Tali what she wants to hear. Actually, I saw Tali as very conflicted in that conversation. She doesn't want the Geth to "win" (which is very vague), but she doesn't know what she wants to the Quarians to do. She knows there are problems with both retaking Rannoch or simply settling on another planet. That it's not an easy task, and will come with it's own problems.

I'll give you the part about renegade Shep fully intending to personally dismantle every geth on Rannoch, no matter the cost in lives.

But it doesn't seem so renegade to be all "I'm sure your dad was gonna say he loved you if the message had went on a little longer."

The motivation that works for both lines is "tell her what she wants to hear."  But then again, renegade Shep is all over the place in his motivations throughout the game, depending on what makes him look like a bigger douche at the moment.

As for the matter of Tali's own feelings:  as some have pointed out, she's more doubtful about the renegade answer, whereas she's actually angry about the paragon one.

[Leftnt Sharpe]

Firepower pack appears to be available for PC users now. Time to check out that Shotgun!

[Mazder]

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

Firepower pack appears to be available for PC users now. Time to check out that Shotgun!

...new pack?...dammit!...i'll have to get it 2moz...after i get points...

[Skadhi1]

Mazder wrote...

Hello anything happen since my connection died yesterday?...anything at all Tali related?

Not much, I'm sorry to say.

On a frivilous note, I wonder if she could drink coffee.  Life is not complete without coffee...

[NCLanceman]

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

Firepower pack appears to be available for PC users now. Time to check out that Shotgun!

New pistol, new Assault Rifle, new Shotgun.

The one time I make a non-Soldier or Vanguard playthrough. 

[Alphyn]

NCLanceman wrote...

New pistol, new Assault Rifle, new Shotgun.

The one time I make a non-Soldier or Vanguard playthrough. 

That sucks.

[Someone With Mass]

NCLanceman wrote...

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

Firepower pack appears to be available for PC users now. Time to check out that Shotgun!

New pistol, new Assault Rifle, new Shotgun.

The one time I make a non-Soldier or Vanguard playthrough. 

The pistol is pretty pimp, though. And don't feel sorry about the new AR. It's not that good to be honest.

[Collider]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...
Of course, it's always possible that Shepard can actually agree with what he is saying instead of trying to tell Tali what she wants to hear. Actually, I saw Tali as very conflicted in that conversation. She doesn't want the Geth to "win" (which is very vague), but she doesn't know what she wants to the Quarians to do. She knows there are problems with both retaking Rannoch or simply settling on another planet. That it's not an easy task, and will come with it's own problems.

I'll give you the part about renegade Shep fully intending to personally dismantle every geth on Rannoch, no matter the cost in lives.

I don't think Shepard has to necessarily say that, if it's even possible in that conversation, if he expresses desire for the Quarians to retake Rannoch. He can just say, if I recall, that the Quarians should get their homeworld back and that he'll help them, but unsurprisingly, the player does not have to accompany that sentiment with any actual methods of doing so. He can basically just say "we'll win, and I'll help you" without saying how.

But it doesn't seem so renegade to be all "I'm sure your dad was gonna say he loved you if the message had went on a little longer."

The dialog options are not always neatly categorized as paragon, neutral, renegade. A lot of times I disagree with their placements - if we follow that standard model of top - paragon, bottom -renegade, etc.

The motivation that works for both lines is "tell her what she wants to hear."  But then again, renegade Shep is all over the place in his motivations throughout the game, depending on what makes him look like a bigger douche at the moment.

Or Shepard can genuinely think that Rael would have done that.

As for the matter of Tali's own feelings:  as some have pointed out, she's more doubtful about the renegade answer, whereas she's actually angry about the paragon one.

I agree - that's part of why I saw Tali as conflicted and not really sure what she wants the Quarians to do.

[NCLanceman]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The pistol is pretty pimp, though. And don't feel sorry about the new AR. It's not that good to be honest.

That's just -like- your opinion, man. People say that all the time about the Avenger, and it's my favorite AR in the game. It might be just the thing i'm looking for.

I am also wondering about the pistol. I preferred the Predator over the Carnifex, so I wonder how the firepower to ammunition capacity works out there.

Hey. Don't knock the Predator. Garrus uses the Predator, and his service pistol has clearly served him well so far. For that matter, so does Tali.

[Alphyn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

The pistol is pretty pimp, though. And don't feel sorry about the new AR. It's not that good to be honest.

I tend to rape face with semi-auto high powered rifles; like the M14 in BC2, or the BR/DMR in Halo 2/3/Reach.

So, in my bias opinion: it's awesome.

Tali would like it...

[Andaius20]

Tali uses the Avenger too!

[Someone With Mass]

NCLanceman wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

The pistol is pretty pimp, though. And don't feel sorry about the new AR. It's not that good to be honest.

That's just -like- your opinion, man. People say that all the time about the Avenger, and it's my favorite AR in the game. It might be just the thing i'm looking for.

I am also wondering about the pistol. I preferred the Predator over the Carnifex, so I wonder how the firepower to ammunition capacity works out there.

Hey. Don't knock the Predator. Garrus uses the Predator, and his service pistol has clearly served him well so far. For that matter, so does Tali.

*snip*

Hey, I like the Predator too. I usually take it myself while everyone else is doing the old hand cannon.

And the new pistol is pretty much like Carnifex, but with a slower rate of fire.

The new assault rifle is semi-auto and doesn't do so much damage compared to the rest. But I guess some people will love it, while I'm a little skeptical about it.

Maybe if I find the right ammo power to use with it. Cryo ammo, perhaps?

[NuclearBuddha]

Collider, I think we're talking across each other at this point. I've got a specific image of what's going on in renegade Shep's head, and it's not a pretty sight. That's where my suppositions are coming from. It is, of course, my opinion, but I think it's one that appears consistent across the conversations in question.

[Thundertactics]

Hmm, looks like BioWare's marketing department finally got what sells:

http://masseffect.bi...e.com/info/dlc/

Lookit dat Tali 'n her purdy new shotgun.

Not that I'll buy it, but still.

Modifié par Thundertactics, 03 août 2010 - 05:10 .

[Someone With Mass]

Alphyn wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

The pistol is pretty pimp, though. And don't feel sorry about the new AR. It's not that good to be honest.

I tend to rape face with semi-auto high powered rifles; like the M14 in BC2, or the BR/DMR in Halo 2/3/Reach.

So, in my bias opinion: it's awesome.

Tali would like it...

It does remind me of those rifles, and I'm going to give it a chance. I've only used it against geth thus far.

[Collider]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider, I think we're talking across each other at this point. I've got a specific image of what's going on in renegade Shep's head, and it's not a pretty sight. That's where my suppositions are coming from. It is, of course, my opinion, but I think it's one that appears consistent across the conversations in question.

True - we do seem to have a different image of Shepard here. I try to not necessarily attribute some universal, inseperable motivation behind some/all of what Shepard says. due to the level of roleplaying available. Technically, in my head I can imagine whatever motivation I want for what Shepard says. Of course not all of them would make the most sense, but I can still see Shepard genuinely wanting the Quarians to retake Rannoch instead of just wanting to tell Tali what he thinks she wants to hear, etc.

[Someone With Mass]

[Andaius20]

[Andaius20]

oh nice laser sight indeed.

[Collider]

Jacob is going to have a lot of firearms to clean after ME2 DLC is over.

[Mazder]

....i shouldn't be getting annoyed with the fact i cant comment on these guns yet but i am, the one time i have no points they bring stuff out!...but they go look nice...

[NuclearBuddha]

Thundertactics wrote...
Hmm, looks like BioWare's marketing department finally got what sells:
http://masseffect.bi...e.com/info/dlc/
Lookit dat Tali 'n her purdy new shotgun.

Not that I'll buy it, but still.

Those are some nice looking... guns.

[Someone With Mass]

Andaius20 wrote...

oh nice laser sight indeed.

The only bad thing about it is that it replaces the HUD's crosshair when you're zoomed in. Makes it a little difficult to see the dot sometimes.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 03 août 2010 - 05:20 .