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[General Ashous]

Was there any extra dialogue about negotiating peace between the true geth and the Quarians? I agree with Phil 725, Bioware really have backed themselves into a corner there.Oh BTW, I really like you pic Phil 725.

[Someone With Mass]

Phil725 wrote...

Bioware put themselves in a corner there.  You either can't get him without sacrificing something else, or you do, and can't say anything about the true geth due to game limitations

And that's why he should have been recruitable from the very start. So what if he's treated like a optional character? I'd rather take that over the time rush at the end.

[Someone With Mass]

General Ashous wrote...

Was there any extra dialogue about negotiating peace between the true geth and the Quarians? I agree with Phil 725, Bioware really have backed themselves into a corner there.Oh BTW, I really like you pic Phil 725.

You mean when you take Legion to the fleet? The only one who considers it is Korris. The rest thinks that the geth are all the same, and should be "removed" the same way.

[General Ashous]

I agree, Legion should have been available from the start as it detracts from the otherall experience. At the end of the day, Legion was an interesting character and one that would have been even more interesting had he been in the game from the start, like Thane and Tali, and that is one of the things I think Bioware did wrong. Got to get going guys. Keelah se'lai.

Modifié par General Ashous, 03 août 2010 - 09:08 .

[Phil725]

General Ashous wrote...

Was there any extra dialogue about negotiating peace between the true geth and the Quarians? I agree with Phil 725, Bioware really have backed themselves into a corner there.Oh BTW, I really like you pic Phil 725.

Thanks, Dat arched back

[Phil725]

Someone With Mass wrote...

General Ashous wrote...

Was there any extra dialogue about negotiating peace between the true geth and the Quarians? I agree with Phil 725, Bioware really have backed themselves into a corner there.Oh BTW, I really like you pic Phil 725.

You mean when you take Legion to the fleet? The only one who considers it is Korris. The rest thinks that the geth are all the same, and should be "removed" the same way.

Shepard: thinking: Should  I tell them that Legion, along with the other true geth, who no one has heard from in 300 years are open to peace, and are actually taking care of the planet in anticipation of the quarian's return...  Nah, I'll do that later.

[CptSkull]

Phil725 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

General Ashous wrote...

Was there any extra dialogue about negotiating peace between the true geth and the Quarians? I agree with Phil 725, Bioware really have backed themselves into a corner there.Oh BTW, I really like you pic Phil 725.

You mean when you take Legion to the fleet? The only one who considers it is Korris. The rest thinks that the geth are all the same, and should be "removed" the same way.

Shepard: thinking: Should  I tell them that Legion, along with the other true geth, who no one has heard from in 300 years are open to peace, and are actually taking care of the planet in anticipation of the quarian's return...  Nah, I'll do that later.

That was a fail on BioWare's side.

[nitefyre410]

Phil725 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
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The latter is the most accepted view because that is where the cannon of the story points, everything with in  Mass Effect Storyline points to the Quarians being openly hostile to the Geth.   So lets remember they have been wondering the stars for 15 generations, after the first 4 or 5 generations those that  lived through the morning star war die of old age.  Now after  the next ten what was once done out mere survival instinct  is now so ingrained into the culture that most don' t even think that peace may be possible.   

The quarians are dealing with half the knowledge that we are, and that's important to keep in mind.  They have a legitimate reason to not think peace is possible, the geth haven't responded to any diplomatic efforts in the past.  Why should they believe peace is possible?  There probably was an admiral who advocated peace with the geth, and he was probably laughed at since it seems ridiculous.  They have reason to dislike all geth as well, because every geth in the galaxy (as far as they know,) is a blood thirsty murderer.  The hostility towards the geth is all the heretics.  The true geth haven't been heard from since the Morning Wars.  Hating the heretics and hating the true geth are different.  They are two completely different species.

 

you right   hating the Heretics is different but  do you think that  Quarians would see the difference or more importantly take the time to see the difference between the two.  Nope. A  Geth is a Geth to them Heretic or Real Geth does not matter. It looks   like the same thing that has  tried to kill them and they have been fight for 300 years.    You have to remember all  Geth platforms look alike so Heretic or  True in Quarians eyes is still a Geth.  Its does not matter to the Quarains whether is a heratic or not it  is a Geth it dies is really that simple to them at least.   

[Kalashnikov]

michaelrsa wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

General Ashous wrote...

Was there any extra dialogue about negotiating peace between the true geth and the Quarians? I agree with Phil 725, Bioware really have backed themselves into a corner there.Oh BTW, I really like you pic Phil 725.

You mean when you take Legion to the fleet? The only one who considers it is Korris. The rest thinks that the geth are all the same, and should be "removed" the same way.

Gotta say, I liked that about Korris. While everyone else hates the Geth he is willing to try and see things from their perspective. Plus he even admits that he was wrong to mix Tali up in the politics. For that, he is my favorite admiral after Raan.

the quarians need more admirals like him on the board, they need someone with maturity and integrity, and the ability to make unpopular decisions  that would benefit the quarian people (ie making peace with the geth).

[Megumeru]

Awh hell, wanted to make a repostan but lost which page I wrote that snip in...

so instead... a preview

The flickering lights within the chamber dies slowly as the last few echoes of life fades away. Amongst the blood-strewn bodies of Marines and scientists, a Quarian stands tall with an Eviscerator shotgun now dangling in one of her arm. The rhythm of her breathing is erratic, wild, uncontrolled as she observes the room behind her purple visor and grief at the sight of the dead. Slowly, she began to fall on her knees as pain began to rise up through her head. She cringe, wails, and grasp her helmet in hopes of releasing herself from the torment she was faced against. As it subsides, her eyes began to focus as she gathers her thoughts and recall the events that occurred prior to her state of madness. Here, sitting on her knees with an overheated Eviscerator at hand and blood spots all over her envirosuit, the Quarian looks upon the body of a single Alliance Marine mangled to deformity a few feet in front of her. She recognizes the wounds inflicted to the poor soul, its armor torn to shreds and its face blasted beyond recognition.

"Shotgun wounds…" she thought. "Did I…? When did I…?"

Trembling at the horror presented to her, the chamber lights continue to flicker erratically as she grasps her waist in order to gain the support she needs to stand. Her breathing slows as he steadies herself and recollects her thoughts. At one point, she felt she's going mad with the sudden change that occurs beyond the helmet—the chamber feels as if it's painted in blood, the bodies scientists and Marines seems to be moving, and most of all the dark figure that lurks in every corner of the room, at every angle, and at every minute the moment she closes her eyes. She felt as if something was observing her, watching her every move as she slowly descends into darkness.

"Get up, Tali…" she thought to herself, raising her hand to her visor. "After all you've went through, you can't die here…right?"

She froze. Her breathing went to a halt for two second as her hand smeared her visor with fresh blood, covering her vision partially. She closes her eyes, prayed with utmost dedication that it was all a dream—a very bad dream and wished to wake up back in the Captain's Quarter in the Normandy SR-2, right beside the warmth and the loving grasp of her lover. She opens her eyes once more and finds it all true.

"Keelah…" she thought. Her mind began to jumble. "Keelah…!"

Her heart tenses, her breathing became ecstatic, and her eyes shot out in horror as she sees her bloodied hand and the blood-stained visor. Grasping her waist, she checks the mark where her hand had touched and—to her horror—finds the stain on her envirosuit. Was there a suit breach? What about infection? Her train of thought stopped the moment she noticed the presence of another.

Within this dead corner of the facility, she was not alone.


Interested? Read it here: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6178841/1/Alliance_Marine_Heart_of_Darkness

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Modifié par Megumeru, 03 août 2010 - 09:19 .

[Someone With Mass]

Calinstel wrote...

The only way to get him there is through cheating.  This may be why BioWare moved him to the last part.  They didn't want to change the conversations too much so we can buy a DLC that covers what they left out.

I've done it many times without cheating. One time I decided not to do it, because I'd forgot what the normal conversation is.

It puts me in a tight spot with the romance and all, but I can still take him there.

Maybe Legion will get a more fleshed out role in upcoming DLCs, but I doubt it, since his VA has not been contacted or hired to do some more dialogues.

[Purification-]

Evening, Thread!
How's everything going?



(new! Posted 1st part of fanfiction, check it!)

Modifié par Purification-, 03 août 2010 - 09:19 .

[Phil725]

nitefyre410 wrote...
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you right   hating the Heretics is different but  do you think that  Quarians would see the difference or more importantly take the time to see the difference between the two.  Nope. A  Geth is a Geth to them Heretic or Real Geth does not matter. It looks   like the same thing that has  tried to kill them and they have been fight for 300 years.    You have to remember all  Geth platforms look alike so Heretic or  True in Quarians eyes is still a Geth.  Its does not matter to the Quarains whether is a heratic or not it  is a Geth it dies is really that simple to them at least.  

Its that simple in every day life.  Raise the stakes, and the rules change.  Shep sits down and tells the admirals that every geth in the race that anyone has seen in the last 300 years is now dead.  There is another group that hasn't left Rannoch since the Morning War, they've been taking care of the planet for your return, and they want peace.  All of a sudden, that petty indifference towards which geth is true/heretic goes away.  Now the ones standing in their way are gone, and the ones left are open to peace. 

Rannoch means everything to them.  Living normal lives, returning to a respectable galactic standing, survival of the species.  If the quarians can't take the time to differentiate the two when they have that to gain, me and Tali will go live on Rannoch by ourselves while the quarians whither and die in their own stupidity.

[nitefyre410]

General Ashous wrote...

Was there any extra dialogue about negotiating peace between the true geth and the Quarians? I agree with Phil 725, Bioware really have backed themselves into a corner there.Oh BTW, I really like you pic Phil 725.

  


They can write themselves out of it, its going to take some  admirals dying and some heroism by Legion  but it can be done.  Legion walking up to the   board and saying  "Hi i'm LEgion a terminal of the geth we come in peace." is just to unbelievable even for fiction. Remember he was minding  his own business  on Eden  Prime and got his chest armor  blown open.  You really think the Quarians would really rational look at him by himself  not blast his ass back to dark space and back.  

[CptSkull]

Calinstel wrote...

10 bioware points that within a year we have a connecting DLC for the ME2-ME3 phase where we get to make peace and get the quarians their homeworld back.

I'll take that bet.

[Kalashnikov]

Calinstel wrote...

10 bioware points that within a year we have a connecting DLC for the ME2-ME3 phase where we get to make peace and get the quarians their homeworld back.

your on, i see that as something that should be in ME3

[Battalion]

CptSkull wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

10 bioware points that within a year we have a connecting DLC for the ME2-ME3 phase where we get to make peace and get the quarians their homeworld back.

I'll take that bet.

ME 2

:Dlolz I crack myself up

[Someone With Mass]

michaelrsa wrote...

Korris is way to hated around here.

After Tali's trial he admits that he was wrong to mix her up in all the politics. That's good enough for me. Garrus apologized to Tali in ME1 over how he treated Tali and I don't hold anything against him since then.

My guess is that Garrus had mostly just heard rumors about the quarians and decided to act on that. And I'm not blaming him for being a little ignorant when it comes to them or Tali. If he has been on the Citadel most of his time, I doubt he's seen many quarians, or wanted anything to do with them, mostly because of their rep. It's not entirely his fault.

But as you said, he apologized, and that's good enough for me.

[Phil725]

Kalashnikov wrote...
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the quarians need more admirals like him on the board, they need someone with maturity and integrity, and the ability to make unpopular decisions  that would benefit the quarian people (ie making peace with the geth).

Nit-picking here, but Korris doesn't directly support peace with the geth.  None of the quarians see that as a feasible option.  He supports colonizing a different world completely.  I would argue that peace with the geth would be extremely widely accepted among the quarian people, which is why I don't expect any problems at all in ME3.