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uhdnrt wrote...
Agreed.  Although, Jacob starts heading the direction of "bro" with Dudeshep if you do all of his dialogue.

Kasumi would seem like jsut the person Tali would open up to. Social, non-psychotic, friendly, not associated with Cerberus. That and Kasumi strikes me as a busybody. Once she got wind of Tali possibly being interested in Shep, I get the feeling she'd hang on it like a dog with a bone until Tali started talking. And once you get a nervous or uncomfortable Tali talking....

I was looking forward to spilling drinks w/ Jacob by the end.

You know, I was just thinking:  another piece of evidence that suggests that Tali is actually talking to K-swiss is how she knows that Tali took off her mask.

Edit:  The sisterhood.

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The great thing, and gives me the greatest hope about him returning, is that the canon is pretty much Shepard being pals with Garrus.

Fascinating, considering you don't even have to recruit him in ME1.

Yea I heard that Garrus still references "old times" in ME2 even if you didn't recruit him in ME1
wat
Course, we all recruited Garrus.

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This is going to sound completely crazy, but would anybody happen to know if turians have tear ducts?

Research.

Modifié par Lividity Jones, 04 août 2010 - 06:49 .


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*DELURK*



@Buddha: Liked that Legion entry. Captured this thought process well.



@Red: Not writer. But I like the idea you brought up. Adaption causing the pilgrimage's need to fall. That the next generation may not need suits. That Tali could live to see that day, even if she could never "really" experience it herself.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...

The great thing, and gives me the greatest hope about him returning, is that the canon is pretty much Shepard being pals with Garrus.

Fascinating, considering you don't even have to recruit him in ME1.

DefaultShep's an idiot, this has been established, proven and enforced a dozen times over.

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As to his formality... I've been playing with his tone.  I don't want him to come off as too loose, as it's been 2+ years since he saw Tali.  And he's a governor now, too.

Hope I was of some help.

Keep in mind, though, that this is the guy who calls Tali "kid."

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Be back later. Nuke, by posting a snippet, has 'forced' me to go and re-read all of his fiction series. Not Noir, Raela, or CotEM, but the others.

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Remember my epic "why I like Tali" draft? I believe I explained my thoughts about her change in behavior.

The first Mass Effect game was a great game, my favorite things about it were the characters, really it was Wrex, Tali and Garrus that I really liked. Now; I do like Ash, Kaiden, and Liara, but they did not really "do it" for me than the other half of the squad did. My biggest complaint of the game though was the romance; the romance I thought was not up to the standards of usual Bioware character writing, granted those are high standards but I still felt disappointed.

My problem with the romance in ME1 was how arbitrary it was, you could not just talk to Ash or Kaiden or Liara without getting into a relationship. I usually play male, so talking to Kaiden was easy, it came off as simple buddy-buddy conversation, talking to Ash was difficult because how the conversation would suddenly shift into a romance I did not even ask for. When I do sometimes play as female, the roles are reversed, Ash talks were easy, but Kaiden suffered from the same thought process Ash did; we are now in a relatioship and I am unwittingly flirting with him. Now Liara on the other hand came at you very strong on the second conversation, regardless of gender, she spoke to you nearly the exact same way, I felt I could not escape that no matter what I did, unless I flat out refuse to speak with her. Like I said, I do like the three of these characters, but I strongly disliked how we were pushed into a relationship.

Now I can explain why I love Wrex and Garrus, but the topic is Tali. During Mass Effect's release, I saw some of the pre-release material, information on all the races and such and even saw some of the characters. The quarians fascinated me more than the other races because of their nomadic nature and because they reminded me of gypsies, and the one quarian depicted was named "Tali." When the time came and I got to play the game, I was preemptively interested in her. Come her introduction and I got to see a self-admitted alien drifter on a quest to bring back valuable resources to her people back home. What I did not expect was her to be a very sweet-natured young woman who was still trying to adapt to an entirely new environment because she is so used to the insular nature of her own people. The way she speaks to you really made you-- well me for that matter, really feel like someone very important to her, and not out of respect or rank, but because I am giving her such a big oppurtunity to someone who has been otherwise felt out of place everywhere she has been.

Tali tells you that back on the Flotilla that because her father has a position on the Admiralty Board, she is being held to a higher standard. And on her Pilgrimage she is often looked down on because she is a quarian. But aboard the Normandy she feels very welcome because of how she is being treated, Tali feels important and is important to a cause outside of the Flotilla, that is a big deal to quarians and as the sole quarian of the game, she embodies her peoples spirit and nature. She is young but not inexperienced, Tali has learned how to take care of herself, she is even one of the few characters able to hack geth, an impressive feat in the game lore.

I was actually pretty disappointed that Tali was not a romance option because she interested me as a LI far more than the others did in the first game. Her talks show you how much she trusts and likes Shepard, she feels comfortable telling Shepard of her insecurities of being away from home for so long and how surprising it is to her to be treated so well, equally, unlike how she has been treated at home and on her own journey. I always thought that she was simply not interested in such a close relationship, and while that did disappoint me, I did not think less of her. But according to ME2, Tali has expressed interest in Shepard. It's easy to see, too:
"What could I possibly be suggesting? I mean, a young woman gets saved by a dashing commander who lets her join his crew and then goes off to save the galaxy? How could she possibly develop any kind of interest in him?"

Tali, while quite independant and smart, comes off as the shrinking violet because she is very insecure about love, that is part of her character. As much as she wants to be with Shepard, she would rather let Shepard choose. The reason why she comes off as insecure is because of who she is; a young quarian woman who has only until recently been trying to help out her own people, Tali is unsure that she is 'good enough' for Shepard. When Shepard does begin to return the affection, Tali loses control of herself and acts very nervous and awkward because she did not expect Shepard to actually show interest.

I thought her romance was beatifully done, among my top three for ME2. The developement is what I thought made it so great, the entire first game was establishing her as a character, while on her part she was judging her own feelings. Tali was beginning to show an interest in Shepard and she has been dismissing it as a crush rather than actual feelings of love. Then Shepard dies, the man who she thought she may have loved has died. Tali has moved on and goes back to the Flotilla, her Pilgrimage completed (likely with Shepard's help) and again continues to help her people. Two years later, the man who she thought was dead reappears, she along with the others have obviously missed Shpeard, but because you get to see her early, Tali has been thinking a lot about him. Her feelings of affection arise again, but now it has become more difficult for her to control them. Tali has matured over the two years, taking assignments directly from the Admiralty Boards, leading research projects, but seeing Shepard again, Tali begins to shift her feelings. Once again aboard the Normandy, Tali tries to subside her feelings, telling herself that no way Shepard would be interested in her, but after the initial surprise that I already explained, Tali graciously thanks him for loving her back.

The fact that any physical contact could potentially kill her really illustrates how much Tali cares for Shepard, anything of that sort is not to be take lightly. She has been in that suit her whole life, and she has never cared for anyone enough to do so, that is why it's such a big deal that Tali does remove her suit. The consumation was the best way to show how her whole romance went; Tali is very nervous about having her first intimate experience, she keeps telling Shepard how she feels about the whole thing, Shepard then alleviates her of her fears, and together they take her mask off. All of her anxiety relinquished with her mask, Tali passionately kisses Shepard., scene fades to black.

I really was not that bothered by not seeing her face, I did not romance Tali because I wanted to see her face, I did because I adore her. Her whole romance was about getting over the species barrier and growing that crush into real love, what she looks like was not a factor at all in the romance and I thought it was better for it. Now I do want to know what exactly is under the mask, but I am willing to wait.



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Lividity Jones wrote...

This is going to sound completely crazy, but would anybody happen to know if turians have tear ducts?

Research.

Ah... didn't the torture thing in Ascension mention them?
Durrr.  "Turians"

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Lividity Jones wrote...

This is going to sound completely crazy, but would anybody happen to know if turians have tear ducts?

Research.


Well, unless they have scales over their eyes (doubtful) they would need some way to keep them moist.  Now if they cry, I have no idea if that's what you mean.  I don't think so.  But I have no evidence to support that whatsoever.

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

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I think part of Tali's development in ME2 was actually that she had become less social. The things she experienced in ME1, in between, in ME2, made her more of a shut-in. The same is in a way what happened with Garrus. Tali's got a shorter fuse this time around, but she's bogged down in her work.


I think a lot of that has to do with her being on a Cerberus ship.  But she still seems to get on well with folks.  Consider her banter with Gabby and Ken and she'll even join in on the poker game.

Yea I agree.

And I think Garrus was always a loner.  He's always got his head stuck in a panel or a Mako tire.  He seems like the kind of guy who goes kinda zen when fixing things.  I think it chills him out and centers him.

Yea, but he was quicker to tell Shepard about his frustrations. I think it's partly because Shepard was one of the few people he's told and would actually listen to him. C-Sec didn't give the time of day. In ME2 though, I kind of see Garrus as more reserved about talking about his problems or feelings. Part of that, as was mentioned in the Garrus thread, is that Garrus may have believed or come to believe during his days on Omega that he didn't want to burden the squad with any of his problems.

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Lividity Jones wrote...

This is going to sound completely crazy, but would anybody happen to know if turians have tear ducts?

Research.

There is neither the evidence to support nor disprove it, but I imagine they do.

Of course you don't have to make a character cry to show anguish, or joy.

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Lividity Jones wrote...

This is going to sound completely crazy, but would anybody happen to know if turians have tear ducts?

Research.

Based off of how they look?  I'd guess no.  You never see a turian cry.  Even when they take a rocket to the face, or are waiting for the sweet release of death by sniper rifle.  Or, when they "just want one thing to go right".

Survey says no.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...
As to his formality... I've been playing with his tone.  I don't want him to come off as too loose, as it's been 2+ years since he saw Tali.  And he's a governor now, too.

Hope I was of some help.

Keep in mind, though, that this is the guy who calls Tali "kid."


Raarg.  Point.


Now I've got to consider....

:pinched:

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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

This is going to sound completely crazy, but would anybody happen to know if turians have tear ducts?

Research.


Well, unless they have scales over their eyes (doubtful) they would need some way to keep them moist.  Now if they cry, I have no idea if that's what you mean.  I don't think so.  But I have no evidence to support that whatsoever.


Well, damn...

So much for that...

Ah, well... Too bad.

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Unless it's some strange figurative speech, Sidonis said that Turians sweat, so I think it's reasonably possible that Turians can also cry (of course, one does not prove the other).

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Wow, you saved it.

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Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

This is going to sound completely crazy, but would anybody happen to know if turians have tear ducts?

Research.

There is neither the evidence to support nor disprove it, but I imagine they do.

Of course you don't have to make a character cry to show anguish, or joy.


If Jones is researching for what I think he is... I'm suspecting that they may be tears of pain. =]

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uhdnrt wrote...

Be back later. Nuke, by posting a snippet, has 'forced' me to go and re-read all of his fiction series. Not Noir, Raela, or CotEM, but the others.

I was just looking at Night, Hole, and Over, too.  They've all got that sense that other people are seeing what Tali thinks about Shep.

Hole is probably the most subtle, though, since it's actually about the road not taken, so to speak.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...

The great thing, and gives me the greatest hope about him returning, is that the canon is pretty much Shepard being pals with Garrus.

Fascinating, considering you don't even have to recruit him in ME1.


Which is weird to me since you have to recruit everyone else I think, so why not Garrus as well?

Still, I like the idea of continuing of my deadly trio of Shep, Tali, and Garrus in part 3.

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uhdnrt wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

This is going to sound completely crazy, but would anybody happen to know if turians have tear ducts?

Research.

Based off of how they look?  I'd guess no.  You never see a turian cry.  Even when they take a rocket to the face, or are waiting for the sweet release of death by sniper rifle.

Man, Garrus is so hardcore he can take a rocket to the face and just go "eh, what can you do."

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Azint wrote...

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Wow, you saved it.

I save a lot of things.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

The sisterhood.

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Azint wrote...

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Wow, you saved it.

It's an epic post.  About Tali.  Of course Rune saved it.

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Collider wrote...
Yea I heard that Garrus still references "old times" in ME2 even if you didn't recruit him in ME1
wat
Course, we all recruited Garrus.

I didn't even have a clue he was optional.  Seriously, who didn't recruit him?