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Truth be told though, it's hard to imagine Bioware putting in a squad mate that goes "YEA!!!1 CHILD EXPERIMENTS FOR THE WIN BABY!!!"
Okay, I laughed.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:22
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Okay, I laughed.
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#9477
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That does have a ring to it.uhdnrt wrote...
Clacker.Lividity Jones wrote...
cannedcream wrote...
Actually, I had a possible research question of my own; does anyone here know of any or can come up with any derogatory terms for turians that would come from a human perspective?
Been trying to awhile now to come up with something good myself, but nothing's really worked yet.
Any ideas at all would be appreciated.
Uhdnrt's Garrus/Jack fic had a good one.
I can't remember it now...
#9478
Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:22
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cannedcream wrote...
Quarian version of Benedict Arnold.
(Although Benedict was pretty well justified in his betrayal, but since this isn't an American history class, I won't get into that.)
Well, the 'Bosh' ending in an H would make the traitor Male, if quarians used the same naming conventions as they do now.
(Which, I just realized, you broke with Rin, CC.)
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:23
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Insults typically don't translate that well across different languages.
Garrus and Tali are probably just as confused by our insults.
This, I've seen utterly innocuous or made-up words to us become offensive in fiction before. I think it has more to do with delivery. That being said, a word that both looks rough and is delivered rough is even better.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:23
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uhdnrt wrote...
Clacker.Lividity Jones wrote...
cannedcream wrote...
Actually, I had a possible research question of my own; does anyone here know of any or can come up with any derogatory terms for turians that would come from a human perspective?
Been trying to awhile now to come up with something good myself, but nothing's really worked yet.
Any ideas at all would be appreciated.
Uhdnrt's Garrus/Jack fic had a good one.
I can't remember it now...
That was it.
It has weight.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:23
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mrsph wrote...
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Well, reaction is telling. If a turian flips out form being called that than it becomes convincing. I mean what the crap does "bosh'tet" mean? It's all in how Tali says it. Not the word itself.
Knowing quarians, "Both'tet" probably means faulty equpment =p
Bosh'Tet probably could be the name of a severely disgraced Quarian. You know how she was afraid her father would become disgraced. Maybe the name is so old and of someone who was so disgraced its use evolved into a curse word.
*theory ninja'd..............I had been waiting so long to say this in the right disscussion*
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#9484
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Explain.RedTracer7 wrote...
Well, the 'Bosh' ending in an H would make the traitor Male, if quarians used the same naming conventions as they do now.
(Which, I just realized, you broke with Rin, CC.)
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
mrsph wrote...
Insults typically don't translate that well across different languages.
Garrus and Tali are probably just as confused by our insults.
This, I've seen utterly innocuous or made-up words to us become offensive in fiction before. I think it has more to do with delivery. That being said, a word that both looks rough and is delivered rough is even better.
Frak?
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Could it perhaps be the quarian that originally ordered the shutdown of the geth?
or the one who created the geth in general?
or the one who created the geth in general?
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:26
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RedTracer7 wrote...
Well, the 'Bosh' ending in an H would make the traitor Male, if quarians used the same naming conventions as they do now.
(Which, I just realized, you broke with Rin, CC.)
Huh. . .
Oh well. If it doesn't bother anyone than I guess it's fine, right?
Or, new idea forming, OR maybe Rin is just short for a longer name that she hates being called; Rinalea maybe.
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mrsph wrote...
Could it perhaps be the quarian that originally ordered the shutdown of the geth?
or the one who created the geth in general?
Well, that was a pretty colossal ****-up...
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I think one problem with "cuttlebone" is that it has no hard sounds in it. "ck" produces a nice hard sound. consider stuff like "****er" "******" "dick" etc. It's the sound as much as knowing what it means.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:27
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I think one problem with "cuttlebone" is that it has no hard sounds in it. "ck" produces a nice hard sound. consider stuff like "****er" "******" "dick" etc. It's the sound as much as knowing what it means.
And "clacker" has it twice.
It's perfect!
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:28
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NuclearBuddha wrote...
Explain.RedTracer7 wrote...
Well, the 'Bosh' ending in an H would make the traitor Male, if quarians used the same naming conventions as they do now.
(Which, I just realized, you broke with Rin, CC.)
Female Quarian names seem to end with a vowel, excepting O:
Tali
Lia
Shala
Feda
Male Quarian names seem to end with a consonant, excepting O:
Han
Kenn
Kal
Veetor
Ending in 'O' seems to be okay for either gender:
Hilo: Male
Daro: Female
Golo: Male
#9492
Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:28
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Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I think one problem with "cuttlebone" is that it has no hard sounds in it. "ck" produces a nice hard sound. consider stuff like "****er" "******" "dick" etc. It's the sound as much as knowing what it means.
I always liked
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The word had a forceful, hard sound to it.
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#9493
Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:28
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Cuttlebone is so incredibly vague. The only real way is kind of links to Turians is that cuttlebone is used for nutritional supplement for birds (which Turians have been compared to in the Mass Effect universe).
Yea, Garrus. You nutritional supplement.
Yea, Garrus. You nutritional supplement.
#9494
Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:29
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Hm.
Yeah, if that's the rule, I've trampled it, too.
Yeah, if that's the rule, I've trampled it, too.
#9495
Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:29
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If the most memorable thing I contribute to the thread is an insult to call turians, I may just have to commit sepukku.Lividity Jones wrote...
That was it.
It has weight.
#9496
Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:30
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Lividity Jones wrote...
Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...
I think one problem with "cuttlebone" is that it has no hard sounds in it. "ck" produces a nice hard sound. consider stuff like "****er" "******" "dick" etc. It's the sound as much as knowing what it means.
And "clacker" has it twice.
It's perfect!
clacker sounds liek soemthign the clone trrop would call a droid in SW:CW. OR perhaps a nickname for a weapon with a paticular sound to it.
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Posté 04 août 2010 - 07:31
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Found the list. My sum of reasons for placing Tali at the top of the ladder in terms of character quality:
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1. The character is well-voiced. Right when I first saw Tali in ME1 through the end of the game, I thought it was impressive just how expressive the character was despite being masked 100% of the time. ME2 improved on this and gave her more of a personality, which is why I think she's somewhat better-represented later on. I never had a hard time understanding her through the accent or thought "Man...why did they put that accent in"? Video games commonly make accents feel silly or forced, but Tali was always portrayed as being very foreign (only Quarian in all of ME1) so it made sense to me.
2. The Quarians are my favorite race. Maybe this comes from being rather starved in terms of sci-fi (never read much of it), but I find the idea of an entire race supported entirely by mobile ships to be pretty cool. Add in their backstory with the Geth, and it gets a whole lot more interesting. There are ethical questions to be raised about whether they were right in their treatment of the Geth, how synthetics should be treated differently from organics if at all differently, and so on. (Ties into why I like Legion just as much as Tali.) As for personal preference, I also like the design of the Quarians' suits, but more from a technical/mechanical standpoint.
3. Tali's personal backstory is developed pretty well, with just enough room to speculate and imagine what's going on. (I can say the same thing of Garrus and Legion, although they're beside the point right now.) You start understanding part of Rael'Zorah's plans, but later find out just how much he uses Tali to pursue his political motivation, who is unknowing the entire time. His death scene is carried out with all sortsof class, too--a bittersweet moment done right for once. As his unwavering focus on his goal is blinded by apparent progress, you can see his constitution and rationality crumbling away, leaving Tali without any idea how to act after his demise; on the one hand, the only family member she really knew is dead, but on the other, it turns out that he was using her the entire time as a tool to pursue his own ambitions, even if it was partly out of love. There are plenty of other facets of the backstory, but I think that example gives a decent idea of what I'm getting at.
4. Tali is useful as a squadmate in combat. In ME1, she's quite handy for short-range assistance if you are a long
range-centered class, or for screwing around with enemy tech. (Destroyer turns on its former allies, wreaks havoc! Easy to take out what few remnants are left.) In ME2, the combat drone makes for a great distraction along with the shield drain to weaken a powerful target. Hacking lost some of its use as you now have to get through shields to pull it off, but it still has potential. Admittedly, her weapons were far better in ME1 since ME2 nerfed the hell out of shotties (before the Firepower pack changed this with the Geth shotgun), but the massive potential of the combat drone makes up for it.
And a couple small reasons why Tali is a great character:
-Tali's loyalty mission is the most interesting. It goes from some quite lengthy, entertaining dialogue to a unique combat area, then switches back for a little more dialogue (it's cool that the climax is actually the dialogue rather than the combat).
-I like her theme the most. Yes, the music in ME2 isn't orchestral, but...comparatively, this theme is pretty good. As a musician for 10 years and counting, I see a lot of elements of successful composition in there, though I won't bore anyone with the details since only us music geeks give a crap about that.
...and by "successful composition," I mean themes and patterns I like to hear in music. Beethoven would be turning in his grave if I tried to get professional about it.
-I like machines. The whole Quarian race is based around machines, and they even look like half-machines with their suits and all. Just a design aethetic I really enjoy.
-One of Tali's lines references the Miniature Giant Space Hamster.
Ergo, one of the best characters in the Mass Effect universe.
EDIT: Fixed whatever formatting glitch BBC tried to make.
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1. The character is well-voiced. Right when I first saw Tali in ME1 through the end of the game, I thought it was impressive just how expressive the character was despite being masked 100% of the time. ME2 improved on this and gave her more of a personality, which is why I think she's somewhat better-represented later on. I never had a hard time understanding her through the accent or thought "Man...why did they put that accent in"? Video games commonly make accents feel silly or forced, but Tali was always portrayed as being very foreign (only Quarian in all of ME1) so it made sense to me.
2. The Quarians are my favorite race. Maybe this comes from being rather starved in terms of sci-fi (never read much of it), but I find the idea of an entire race supported entirely by mobile ships to be pretty cool. Add in their backstory with the Geth, and it gets a whole lot more interesting. There are ethical questions to be raised about whether they were right in their treatment of the Geth, how synthetics should be treated differently from organics if at all differently, and so on. (Ties into why I like Legion just as much as Tali.) As for personal preference, I also like the design of the Quarians' suits, but more from a technical/mechanical standpoint.
3. Tali's personal backstory is developed pretty well, with just enough room to speculate and imagine what's going on. (I can say the same thing of Garrus and Legion, although they're beside the point right now.) You start understanding part of Rael'Zorah's plans, but later find out just how much he uses Tali to pursue his political motivation, who is unknowing the entire time. His death scene is carried out with all sortsof class, too--a bittersweet moment done right for once. As his unwavering focus on his goal is blinded by apparent progress, you can see his constitution and rationality crumbling away, leaving Tali without any idea how to act after his demise; on the one hand, the only family member she really knew is dead, but on the other, it turns out that he was using her the entire time as a tool to pursue his own ambitions, even if it was partly out of love. There are plenty of other facets of the backstory, but I think that example gives a decent idea of what I'm getting at.
4. Tali is useful as a squadmate in combat. In ME1, she's quite handy for short-range assistance if you are a long
range-centered class, or for screwing around with enemy tech. (Destroyer turns on its former allies, wreaks havoc! Easy to take out what few remnants are left.) In ME2, the combat drone makes for a great distraction along with the shield drain to weaken a powerful target. Hacking lost some of its use as you now have to get through shields to pull it off, but it still has potential. Admittedly, her weapons were far better in ME1 since ME2 nerfed the hell out of shotties (before the Firepower pack changed this with the Geth shotgun), but the massive potential of the combat drone makes up for it.
And a couple small reasons why Tali is a great character:
-Tali's loyalty mission is the most interesting. It goes from some quite lengthy, entertaining dialogue to a unique combat area, then switches back for a little more dialogue (it's cool that the climax is actually the dialogue rather than the combat).
-I like her theme the most. Yes, the music in ME2 isn't orchestral, but...comparatively, this theme is pretty good. As a musician for 10 years and counting, I see a lot of elements of successful composition in there, though I won't bore anyone with the details since only us music geeks give a crap about that.
...and by "successful composition," I mean themes and patterns I like to hear in music. Beethoven would be turning in his grave if I tried to get professional about it.
-I like machines. The whole Quarian race is based around machines, and they even look like half-machines with their suits and all. Just a design aethetic I really enjoy.
-One of Tali's lines references the Miniature Giant Space Hamster.
Ergo, one of the best characters in the Mass Effect universe.
EDIT: Fixed whatever formatting glitch BBC tried to make.
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uhdnrt wrote...
If the most memorable thing I contribute to the thread is an insult to call turians, I may just have to commit sepukku.Lividity Jones wrote...
That was it.
It has weight.
Give Garrus/Jack a new name.
Shepard and Tali? ShepZorah.
It's a catchy ship name.
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NuclearBuddha wrote...
Hm.
Yeah, if that's the rule, I've trampled it, too.
It doesn't seem to be that well acknoledged.
Interesting though.
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And it's just weird from Jacob. I mean, he got Tali with that nasty kick in the ribs over "introduce yourself to the AI" but can't manage a good nasty slur against a race humanity actually had a shooting war with?Collider wrote...
Cuttlebone is so incredibly vague. The only real way is kind of links to Turians is that cuttlebone is used for nutritional supplement for birds (which Turians have been compared to in the Mass Effect universe).
Yea, Garrus. You nutritional supplement.
