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[cannedcream]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

A final thought before I leave for tonight because of this damn storm outside. Following the whole biblical relationship the ME series has going on, who will be the betrayer? Dun dun dun

Anyhow, Keelah se'lai.

As long as it's not Garrus, Tali, Thane, or Mordin than I'm good. (though I can't honestly see it being any of them).

Miranda would be the most obvious choice (via blackmail about hurting her sister). Maybe Jacob (as one of the 'buddy' characters, it would work). I really can't see anyone else doing it other than those two.

[RedTracer7]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

A final thought before I leave for tonight because of this damn storm outside. Following the whole biblical relationship the ME series has going on, who will be the betrayer? Dun dun dun

Anyhow, Keelah se'lai.

If you play it straight, I would put my money on Legion/Zaeed/Jacob.
Legion:  Motives still unclear.  If he actually developes emotions (as it seems he was on the cusp in ME2), it could screw with his mission parameters.
Zaeed: He makes it obvious that he works for whomever has the most pay.  If he, say, is selling you out to Cerberus (and not the Reapers), I could see it happening.
Jacob:  Going Renegade and full-on Cerberus could cause him to break away.

If you want to screw with the fans, make it Garrus.
Have Shepard let a Big Bad live for some reason or another, and Garrus would probably have 'Justice is teh awesome' fit.  Would have to be carefully done.

[Andaius20]

I thought the answer is obvious....Hawthorne!

[Collider]

@CC:
Thane is an assassin who has taken the lives of those he felt did not deserve to live. A Shepard who acts immorally in Thane's eyes may very well be found in Thane's crosshairs.

Samara literally says she'll fight Shepard if s/he is renegade.

Legion is Geth. He cares most about protecting the Geth. If Shepard would destroy the Geth, Legion is going to fight back.

Anyway, I think Garrus pretty much has the least chance of betraying Shepard.

Modifié par Collider, 04 août 2010 - 07:56 .

[Someone With Mass]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Yea, just location triggers like they had in DAO. Of course, people spam those, but I don't think it hurts. That's the only realistic way to get all the conversations anyway unless you rotate your party every two minutes and return to camp every five.

People (me included) probably would spam them because they are fun to listen to.

I could ride that elevator on the Citadel up and down about five times before moving on, just to hear everyone's dialogues.

And I enjoyed every second of it.

[RedTracer7]

Water Dumple wrote...

I saw a decent template for a small ME3 squad in another thread. Remember that you REQUIRE two teammates to be alive to survive the suicide mission, so it actually works out. You would get them in this order:

Liara T'soni
New Character 1
New Character 2
Ashley/Kaiden
ME2 Survivor 1
ME2 Survivor 2

And perhaps get a choice on who to pick from the ME2 group, assuming you didn't go for a "worst possible playthrough" attempt and only have two left, in which case you wouldn't get a choice.

This is a good plan, but allowing the player to choose the two survivors would force all of the voice acting for every character to be done.  It wouldn't actually cut down on the amount of VA work they would have to do, and I think Bioware would want to get the most out of the VA'ing they do.  So they wouldn't let a major character be optional.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...


I actually explained a possible Garrus betrayal scenario in the Garrus thread the other day.  Lemme see if I can dig up the post.

I think that Garrus is the least likely to betray Shepard.

Agreed, especially after Sidonis did to his squad.
Garrus would NEVER betray Shepard, not unless he's been lying to us this ENTIRE time.

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Here 'tis. You actually liked this idea at the time Collider. It's not conventional betrayal. More like Garrus pulling a Carth.

"I think so too. I think we will see some ultimate consequence where you can no longer sway Garrus one way or another. I don't really buy the "Garrus as betrayer" thing so many people do, but I think there is some potential in that idea. In certain circumstances I could see him reacting like Carth does to a Dark Side romanced Revan in KotoR. Carth doesn't really betray you, but he freaks and tries to save you from yourself. Given the devs have said ME3 has room for more variance since nothing has to be imported afterwards I think it is possible we might be able to see some more overtly sinister choices in ME3. If Garrus has been pushed very strongly paragon or renegade and then you go back on that in ME3, I could see him being concerned and trying to do something about it. Trying to save you from yourself as it were. It would make an interesting and fitting culmination to his character arc. We have always been his moral compass. Maybe now it's time for him to become ours."

I do like it - in fact, it's brilliant. Of course it shouldn't be the only way that Garrus shows that the mentoring affected him, but it's a nice touch.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

@CC:
Thane is an assassin who has taken the lives of those he felt did not deserve to live. A Shepard who acts immorally in Thane's eyes may very well be found in Thane's crosshairs.

Samara literally says she'll fight Shepard if s/he is renegade.

Legion is Geth. He cares most about protecting the Geth. If Shepard would destroy the Geth, Legion is going to fight back.

Anyway, I think Garrus pretty much has the least chance of betraying Shepard.

Maybe, but that's all assuming you play as Renegade, but not Paragon. If there is a betray, it needs to work for both.

Also, Thane only kills those he is hired to. The only exception came as revenge for his wife as Shepard had nothing to do with that, he is safe. Also, since Thane is at the end of his life and no longer accepting contracts, he could not be hired to kill him either way.

[Water Dumple]

Anyway, it's late over here in the liveship, so I'll be off. Save the good discussions for when I'm back.

Gentlemen.

[cannedcream]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Here 'tis. You actually liked this idea at the time Collider. It's not conventional betrayal. More like Garrus pulling a Carth.

"I think so too. I think we will see some ultimate consequence where you can no longer sway Garrus one way or another. I don't really buy the "Garrus as betrayer" thing so many people do, but I think there is some potential in that idea. In certain circumstances I could see him reacting like Carth does to a Dark Side romanced Revan in KotoR. Carth doesn't really betray you, but he freaks and tries to save you from yourself. Given the devs have said ME3 has room for more variance since nothing has to be imported afterwards I think it is possible we might be able to see some more overtly sinister choices in ME3. If Garrus has been pushed very strongly paragon or renegade and then you go back on that in ME3, I could see him being concerned and trying to do something about it. Trying to save you from yourself as it were. It would make an interesting and fitting culmination to his character arc. We have always been his moral compass. Maybe now it's time for him to become ours."

Okay, it that context, it could work.

[RedTracer7]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...

@CC:
Thane is an assassin who has taken the lives of those he felt did not deserve to live. A Shepard who acts immorally in Thane's eyes may very well be found in Thane's crosshairs.

Samara literally says she'll fight Shepard if s/he is renegade.

Legion is Geth. He cares most about protecting the Geth. If Shepard would destroy the Geth, Legion is going to fight back.

Anyway, I think Garrus pretty much has the least chance of betraying Shepard.

Maybe, but that's all assuming you play as Renegade, but not Paragon. If there is a betray, it needs to work for both.

Also, Thane only kills those he is hired to. The only exception came as revenge for his wife as Shepard had nothing to do with that, he is safe. Also, since Thane is at the end of his life and no longer accepting contracts, he could not be hired to kill him either way.

I don't think a betrayal would have to work for both sides of the Renegade/Paragon playthrough.  In fact, it would make more sense that a different character would snap, depending on how you played.

[Someone With Mass]

cannedcream wrote...

Agreed, especially after Sidonis did to his squad.
Garrus would NEVER betray Shepard, not unless he's been lying to us this ENTIRE time.

Yeah, Sidonis just messed around with Garrus' girl at a party, and they fought about it. Went so bad that both were ashamed of what they did, so they agreed to come up with a way more badass scenario, but Garrus was still pissed about it.

[Collider]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...

@CC:
Thane is an assassin who has taken the lives of those he felt did not deserve to live. A Shepard who acts immorally in Thane's eyes may very well be found in Thane's crosshairs.

Samara literally says she'll fight Shepard if s/he is renegade.

Legion is Geth. He cares most about protecting the Geth. If Shepard would destroy the Geth, Legion is going to fight back.

Anyway, I think Garrus pretty much has the least chance of betraying Shepard.

Maybe, but that's all assuming you play as Renegade, but not Paragon. If there is a betray, it needs to work for both.

Oh, a betrayal. I certainly hope they don't do that. I mean you can only have so many Biblical parallels until the story feels a bit predicatable and cheap.

Also, Thane only kills those he is hired to.

Are we certain? I thought he took out Nassanna because he felt like it, but not because he was hired. Either way, he didn't get any money for killing her.

[Kikaimegami]

Legion wouldn't betray Shepard...!

[Andaius20]

Well night folks, nice to see you Kikaister.

[Kikaimegami]

Andaius20 wrote...

Well night folks, nice to see you Kikaister.

Hi!

.....bye!

[Water Dumple]

One guy we know for certain...



"I would never stab you in the back, Shepard. Warriors like you and me? Straight to the face."

[RedTracer7]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Legion wouldn't betray Shepard...!

What if he supports a Quarian war-rampage?

[cannedcream]

Water Dumple wrote...

Anyway, it's late over here in the liveship, so I'll be off. Save the good discussions for when I'm back.

Gentlemen.

Is it weird that, when I saw this picture out of the corner of my eye, I instantly assumed it was Nightmare Tali?

[Kikaimegami]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

Legion wouldn't betray Shepard...!

What if he supports a Quarian war-rampage?

Addendum: Legion wouldn't betray my Shepard!