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[Water Dumple]

cannedcream wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

Anyway, it's late over here in the liveship, so I'll be off. Save the good discussions for when I'm back.

Gentlemen.
*snip*

Is it weird that, when I saw this picture out of the corner of my eye, I instantly assumed it was Nightmare Tali?

I only post the original. Best ME2-related fanart around.

...Might as well make it an avatar.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 04 août 2010 - 08:06 .

[Someone With Mass]

Kikaimegami wrote...

Legion wouldn't betray Shepard...!

Unless Shepard tries to do something that affects all geth, like trying to wipe them out.

Then Legion would have the full right to try and "neutralize" Shepard.

[Kikaimegami]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

Legion wouldn't betray Shepard...!

Unless Shepard tries to do something that affects all geth, like trying to wipe them out.

Then Legion would have the full right to try and "neutralize" Shepard.

That's those evil Shepards. I don't care about them.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

Legion wouldn't betray Shepard...!

I can see either Legion or Tali turning on Shepard if some huge ****-up involving the quarian/geth conflict is made.

Well, maybe not betray, but try to change his mind, through logical (Legion) and heart-breaking (Tali) speeches.

[cannedcream]

RedTracer7 wrote...


I don't think a betrayal would have to work for both sides of the Renegade/Paragon playthrough.  In fact, it would make more sense that a different character would snap, depending on how you played.

It would depend upon how important it was to the story.

Maybe it's not really a betrayal as it is what you suggest, like what happened between my DA character and Sten; something that could cause you to lose a squadmate if not handled right, something like RtO suggested.

I dunno. Personally, I don't wanna see it happen at all, but I can understand having a difference of opinion so great that it could case people to leave.
Really, it comes down to whatever Tali wants.

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

I thought that Alistair was a bit more idealistic than Garrus. He wanted to believe that the Grey Wardens were paragons of virtue. Heroes. That their actions were noble. Duncan was the face of the Grey Wardens for Alistair - the one who saved him from the drudgery of the Templars, and had given Alistair another chance at life. So when the Warden spares that certain character, Alistair is absolutely shocked because the Grey Wardens, to him, were supposed to be good people.

So to relate that to Garrus, Garrus does not really have that same complex, or to the same degree. It would take a lot for Garrus to leave, so much so that it's hard to imagine him leaving Shepard in a believable way. The most plausible scenario, I think, is that Garrus would be horrified at something that Shepard may do, and try to act against that. Not act against Shepard, but the action itself. Try to stop it from happening. It's a fantastic parallel to what could have happened with Sidonis - only this time, Garrus is blocking the bullet from the target.

If Shepard does go along with this action that shakes Garrus, perhaps when you speak to him on the Normandy again, he says "I'm sorry Shepard. I have a lot of things on my mind. I need to think about what happened" - in other words, he won't speak to you because he's so caught up in what just happened.

[RedTracer7]

cannedcream wrote...

Really, it comes down to whatever Tali wants.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

((CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL))

[Someone With Mass]

Kikaimegami wrote...

That's those evil Shepards. I don't care about them.

It could also turn out that way for the default ****** Shepard.

But, as said, that's their problem.

[Collider]

I do wonder what Default Shepard did in regards to Tali's trial. Certainly, the default Shepard in ME2 often/always did things to reduce references that new players wouldn't understand or appreciate.

[Kikaimegami]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

That's those evil Shepards. I don't care about them.

It could also turn out that way for the default ****** Shepard.

But, as said, that's their problem.

AKA: Failshep

[cannedcream]

RedTracer7 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Really, it comes down to whatever Tali wants.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH

((CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL))

LOUD! NOISES!

Seriously though; the way I play Shepard, Tali is pretty much the only person who could really sway his choices. He'd do just about anything for that girl. <3

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

I do wonder what Default Shepard did in regards to Tali's trial. Certainly, the default Shepard in ME2 often/always did things to reduce references that new players wouldn't understand or appreciate.

As Nuke likes to point out, there are so many ways to complete this mission and only one to fail it.

With that said. . . I bet he fails it.  <_<

[Collider]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

@ Collider

I can also see throwing himself in front of Shep's bullet though a la Carth. He would never attack Shep. It's not so much him betraying Shep as it is Shep betraying him.

Brilliant, really. I can see this happening. Lord knows what it would take for stuff like this to happen. I'm not sure if I even want Shepard to be able to do something that would force Garrus to intervene in such a way (although there's a certain amount of romanticism involved in Garrus taking a bullet for Shepard [of course I don't want Garrus to die, though])

I agree Alistair isn't a spot on comparison.

Oh I know, I was just adding to what Nilf said.

My point is that Bioware does have a history of "make or break" situations with some party members. Doesn't have to involve a conventional betrayal.

Yea - exactly.

[cannedcream]

Kikaimegami wrote...

I know this has nothing to do with anything, but Ki; I enjoy putting on music and watching your sig. It makes it look like Legion is singing.

Right now he is entertaining me with a rather beautiful, if not inappropriate, rendition of Flo Rida's 'Right Round'.

[Someone With Mass]

Collider wrote...

I do wonder what Default Shepard did in regards to Tali's trial. Certainly, the default Shepard in ME2 often/always did things to reduce references that new players wouldn't understand or appreciate.

That would be pretty difficult to explain without references, so I think they won't mention it at all. It's probbaly Tali who's going to have slightly different dialogues.

[uhdnrt]

Honestly, depending on if you are renegade or paragon, there are multiple people that could betray you.

Paragon: Most likely suspects are Jack and Miranda. Jack because you are too goody goody, Miranda because she is trying to protect Oriana.

Renegade: Most likely suspects are Samara and Tali. Especially if you keep the base in ME2. The more you fall in line with Cerberus, the more likely it would be for Tali to pull a "I can't let you do this anymore Shepard" moment. Same with Samara. Eventually, I predict a renegade Shep will cross a line Samara cannot allow to pass.



All told though, my money on an actual betrayal, not a confrontation, is going to be the Virmire survivor. It id very suspicious that the reason the collectors are on Horizon doesn't get captured. I am betting on implantation/indoctrination forcing a betrayal for the survivor.

[Kikaimegami]

cannedcream wrote...

Kikaimegami wrote...

I know this has nothing to do with anything, but Ki; I enjoy putting on music and watching your sig. It makes it look like Legion is singing.

Right now he is entertaining me with a rather beautiful, if not inappropriate, rendition of Flo Rida's 'Right Round'.

This platform likes to party.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

Default Shepard will have probably gotten her exiled

That's not so bad.

She says that it might been easier for her if she was exiled.

She also has no problem with it. She accepted the probability of being exiled before the trial started. Sure, it made her a little sad that she can't see the fleet again, but she's also reileved that it's all over.

Works a little both ways, I guess.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 04 août 2010 - 08:39 .

[cannedcream]

uhdnrt wrote...

Honestly, depending on if you are renegade or paragon, there are multiple people that could betray you.
Paragon: Most likely suspects are Jack and Miranda. Jack because you are too goody goody, Miranda because she is trying to protect Oriana.

I can't see Jack actually betraying because of this; getting sick of him and leaving maybe, but betrayal would be right word.

All told though, my money on an actual betrayal, not a confrontation, is going to be the Virmire survivor. It id very suspicious that the reason the collectors are on Horizon doesn't get captured. I am betting on implantation/indoctrination forcing a betrayal for the survivor.

Also, that's a fair enough point, but I really have no problem shooting either Ash or Kaiden if I had to.

[cannedcream]

Kikaimegami wrote...

This platform likes to party.

Daft Punk's Technologic is truning out to be quite enjoyable.