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[RiptideX1090]

Pacifien wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...
I can vouch for this. Too bad cryo only kicks in after shields/barriers/armor are down.

Squad Cryo Ammo has been incredibly effective for me even while playing on Insanity. I'll use it every time. Since the Carnifex is particularly effective on Vorcha, though, I like a good incendiary on it.

Pretty much this.

[mikethor007]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Bring Garrus. He takes out Barriers and Shields. Tali takes out Shields, and every Shepard has an Anti-armor option. A thing of beauty.

I give him the Incisor. Really good with barriers and shields. Tali with energy drain, Shepard either has Incinerate, Inferno Ammo or some other fiery stuff. Using a Carnifex with Shepard also works.

[Pacifien]

Mukora wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...
On another topic: if you could add a third type of weapon to Tali's proficiencies, which would it be?

Is the knife an option? Because the knife is badass.

More so than other weapon proficiencies, I'd like to see Tali's engineer repertoire increase. I've always like the idea of a tech having the ability to set up traps on the enemy. Though the Infiltrator might be more suited for this type of warfare.

[mikethor007]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

mikethor007 wrote...
I can vouch for this. Too bad cryo only kicks in after shields/barriers/armor are down.

Squad Cryo Ammo has been incredibly effective for me even while playing on Insanity. I'll use it every time. Since the Carnifex is particularly effective on Vorcha, though, I like a good incendiary on it.

Pretty much this.

Word. I'm using this on my current playthrough.

As for Tali's extra weapon proficiency I'd go with either of these:

Assault Rifle
Sniper Rifle
Heavy Weapons (any one goes, except maybe the Cain. Don't know if she has body mass enough to fire that thing and not get knocked down)

[Someone With Mass]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Bring Garrus. He takes out Barriers and Shields. Tali takes out Shields, and every Shepard has an Anti-armor option. A thing of beauty.

Garrus can do all three when his loyalty power is unlocked.

But the quickest solution isn't always the best.

Tali can take out pretty much anything if you give her the order to switch to the more suitable weapon and some time.

[Pacifien]

As an Engineer, I actually managed to get good mileage out of all my shotgun wielding squadmates. Since I played it overly defensive, I became the distractor and the defense killer while everyone else used the shotgun for the final kill. It was one of Tali's better survival runs for me.

[mikethor007]

Pacifien wrote...

As an Engineer, I actually managed to get good mileage out of all my shotgun wielding squadmates. Since I played it overly defensive, I became the distractor and the defense killer while everyone else used the shotgun for the final kill. It was one of Tali's better survival runs for me.

Tali's also good with a shotgun when an Adept Pulls an enemy into the air. She usually shoots down the enemy.

[Pacifien]

mikethor007 wrote...
Heavy Weapons (any one goes, except maybe the Cain. Don't know if she has body mass enough to fire that thing and not get knocked down)

That's all I need is a squadmate to decide it's time for the Cain after I've just charged behind enemy lines.

Definitely would need to limit a squadmate's ammo on a heavy weapon. What's the point if they could just keep using the Arc Projector over and over and over again?

[nitefyre410]

Pacifien wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
You would not be alone I  would agree with you at least they should give up on taking it by force. If the homeworld can be retaken peaceful  they should go for it. Because i am not going to throw  Tali life away on a pipe dream. 

I'm not entirely sure Tali focuses her dream of returning to the homeworld as high on her list of priorities. She's willing to risk exile, which means she risks settling wherever the Migrant Fleet settles, be it a colony or the homeworld. Everyone has their dreams. Not everyone gets to see such dreams fulfilled. And people have multiple dreams. For a Tali that romances Shepard, leaving the dream of the homeworld behind probably isn't so much a sting as the joy of staying with her loved one.

  

You know i find myself complied to agree with you sir.    Interestingly enough if you go with the home is where you make  convo options during her loyalty  mission she gives a rather emotional response about thats easy for you say.  Then I think most of that was tied into trying to be closer to her father at any cost.    

I personally for one  think the quarians should first focus more on  genetically getting the immune systems boosted.  A fleet of some of the best  salvager's,  programmers, and ship mechanics in galaxy someone  needs those kind of skills somewhere. Yeah you'll have to get you hands dirty and bloody but  in the long term it will be  easier to settle a new world if you can get immune system issue resolved first 

[Pacifien]

mikethor007 wrote...
Tali's also good with a shotgun when an Adept Pulls an enemy into the air. She usually shoots down the enemy.

This became Jack's particular trick after several Insanity playthroughs where I decried her uselessness. After the Engineer run, I realized that it was all about the order in which you play each power in conjunction with the shotgun. Takes far too much micromanaging for my tastes, though. Well, Grunt can pretty much go out there by himself.

If I don't want to worry about the squadmates, I'd switch them to the pistol. Looking forward to the M-5. Been trying to figure out what niche the geth shotgun would fill given all the other shotgun choices, though.

[Someone With Mass]

mrsph wrote...

I always wanted Tali to use one of the Sub Machine Gun's. They just seem to suit her better than the pistols do.

The sad thing is that was her original loadout. SMG and shotgun. I guess BW thought that Tali became too one-sided (taking out shields, that is) and tried to balance it out a little with the heavy pistol.

[epoch_]

mrsph wrote...

I always wanted Tali to use one of the Sub Machine Gun's. They just seem to suit her better than the pistols do.

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[RiptideX1090]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Though, Really, the Carnifex with Cryo is all you need. Load Tali up with that, and she's a monster.

This is true. After your first recommendation I tried it out Tali was a godsend. Just add the combat drone to it and we're rockin the map.

Told you.

Also, Garrus with Cryo Incisor? He's a full blown terror, even on hardcore.

[nitefyre410]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Though, Really, the Carnifex with Cryo is all you need. Load Tali up with that, and she's a monster.

This is true. After your first recommendation I tried it out Tali was a godsend. Just add the combat drone to it and we're rockin the map.

 

Hmm i will have try that though fire is more my like I like watching my enemies scream as they burn. I will have to try the squad Cyro ammo. She is a beast with warp ammo too, I used her and Thane on the End Run, I had squad wrap ammo,  had  Thane use his Shredder ammo over my wrap on his gun and  tore through the collectors and Scions. 

[RiptideX1090]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Though, Really, the Carnifex with Cryo is all you need. Load Tali up with that, and she's a monster.

This is true. After your first recommendation I tried it out Tali was a godsend. Just add the combat drone to it and we're rockin the map.

 

Hmm i will have try that though fire is more my like I like watching my enemies scream as they burn. I will have to try the squad Cyro ammo. She is a beast with warp ammo too, I used her and Thane on the End Run, I had squad wrap ammo,  had  Thane use his Shredder ammo over my wrap on his gun and  tore through the collectors and Scions. 

Carnifex with Cryo freezes in one hit. Tali can hit people with it at any range. She's truely a terror with it. I wouldn't have thought so, as I never used to like Cryo. This is what changed my mind, and Rune's too.

[Someone With Mass]

Pacifien wrote...

This became Jack's particular trick after several Insanity playthroughs where I decried her uselessness. After the Engineer run, I realized that it was all about the order in which you play each power in conjunction with the shotgun. Takes far too much micromanaging for my tastes, though. Well, Grunt can pretty much go out there by himself.

If I don't want to worry about the squadmates, I'd switch them to the pistol. Looking forward to the M-5. Been trying to figure out what niche the geth shotgun would fill given all the other shotgun choices, though.

If it is a geth shotgun, then I think it'll work best against shields, and moderate agains everything else if the geth are still going with the same style as the GPR.

[nitefyre410]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Though, Really, the Carnifex with Cryo is all you need. Load Tali up with that, and she's a monster.

This is true. After your first recommendation I tried it out Tali was a godsend. Just add the combat drone to it and we're rockin the map.

 

Hmm i will have try that though fire is more my like I like watching my enemies scream as they burn. I will have to try the squad Cyro ammo. She is a beast with warp ammo too, I used her and Thane on the End Run, I had squad wrap ammo,  had  Thane use his Shredder ammo over my wrap on his gun and  tore through the collectors and Scions. 

Carnifex with Cryo freezes in one hit. Tali can hit people with it at any range. She's truely a terror with it. I wouldn't have thought so, as I never used to like Cryo. This is what changed my mind, and Rune's too.

 

One Hit insta Ice cube...hmmm me  as a Vanguard, Tali  one hit insta freezes I come in with a  heavy Charge.  This I like, it has weight.   

[Pacifien]

nitefyre410 wrote...
I personally for one  think the quarians should first focus more on  genetically getting the immune systems boosted.  A fleet of some of the best  salvager's,  programmers, and ship mechanics in galaxy someone  needs those kind of skills somewhere. Yeah you'll have to get you hands dirty and bloody but  in the long term it will be  easier to settle a new world if you can get immune system issue resolved first

It's an incredibly patient (and from Tali's arguments, frustratingly so) strategy for the quarians to take, but I don't see their quicker approaches doing them much good. Meeting Legion and learning about the true Geth gives way too much hope for the fans who do want to see Tali visit her homeworld, though. Bioware taking the easy way out, perhaps?

I never did like the easy way out.

I recently argued in the Campaign and Storyline forum that the complete crash of the quarian immune system was the fault of their dependence on the suits. I could see the suits being a precaution if the ship they were on had constant threat of hull breach or electronic failure. But I see the dangers of what overloading antibiotics in place of using one's own immune system does to humans. Fear of losing what few survivors they had probably hurt them more than risking their immune systems to harsher situations.

Anyway, what you get by settling on a new world is a chance to build but the threat of attack in a place like the Terminus Systems. What you get by continuing with the Migrant Fleet is a more static population, but a stronger defense.

[mikethor007]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Carnifex with Cryo freezes in one hit. Tali can hit people with it at any range. She's truely a terror with it. I wouldn't have thought so, as I never used to like Cryo. This is what changed my mind, and Rune's too.

Word again. I use Squad Cryo Ammo.

Though only three classes have that power, correct? Whomever isn't a Soldier or an Infiltrator or a Vanguard is out of it.

[Pacifien]

nitefyre410 wrote...
One Hit insta Ice cube...hmmm me  as a Vanguard, Tali  one hit insta freezes I come in with a  heavy Charge.  This I like, it has weight.   

Which is why almost all the vanguard strategy guides say go squad cryo. A shattered enemy is quite satisfying.

[Phil725]

Pacifien wrote...
*snip*
It's an incredibly patient (and from Tali's arguments, frustratingly so) strategy for the quarians to take, but I don't see their quicker approaches doing them much good. Meeting Legion and learning about the true Geth gives way too much hope for the fans who do want to see Tali visit her homeworld, though. Bioware taking the easy way out, perhaps?

I never did like the easy way out.
*snip*

Just to comment on this, I don't really see how the geth being open to peace is the easy way out.  What motivation do the geth have for staying on Rannoch anyway?  Its surprising to me that they've stayed as long as they have.  I would have expected them to disappear through a random relay and go to some far away asteroid rich system and work in peace far away from organics there.

[RiptideX1090]

mikethor007 wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Carnifex with Cryo freezes in one hit. Tali can hit people with it at any range. She's truely a terror with it. I wouldn't have thought so, as I never used to like Cryo. This is what changed my mind, and Rune's too.

Word again. I use Squad Cryo Ammo.

Though only three classes have that power, correct? Whomever isn't a Soldier or an Infiltrator or a Vanguard is out of it.

Yeah, but my favorite Shepards are my Infiltrator Paragade and Vanguard Renegon Femshep. so I usually have it.

I almost can't justify letting Tali use her shotgun once you get Squad Cryo... that Carnifex is just... monsterous... plus it eats armor, and Tali's Shield Hacking takes out shields, so she's suddenly VERY all purpose.