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The key to any real time tracking of the Normady is the quatum entanglement device.  Disable that and TIM is blind.


I don't think the entangled pair enables tracking... I think it just enables data transfer.  You just know that the quantum state of their particle will always be opposite yours, you have no idea of knowing where that other particle is unless data on its location was transmitted through it.  And seeing that the entity that collates all that data for Timmay is loyal to Shepard now, I doubt she'll be giving that info any more if you went Paragon at the end.

You misunderstand.  It's not the device that's tracking you but allowing the tracking devices to update TIM.
Kill the device and the trackers have no way to send the updates back to the moron.


All that data went through EDI.  EDI is the Normandy now.  Shepard is allowing her to stay that way.  TIM would probably not.

Okay, and how did EDI get the data to TIM?  Regular comms?  Look at how the comms systems work between systems.  His communications were realtime, not delayed as would be the case.  The quantum device allows the updates.  It is a communication system usable anywhere in the galaxy for instance comms OR data.

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Though that would pretty much shut them down completely if possible.  It would take lifetimes to cross from one populated area to the next.  Just every thousand years or so have the people on the system that the reapers are heading to move somewhere else.  Civilization monkey in the middle :wizard:

FTL speeds given by codex imply you could cross the galaxy in 22 years.


But they are outside the galaxy. Pretty far away from it too.

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That gives more reason to "cooperate" with Cerberus even further, right?

Just to get our hands into that WMD.

TIM has the weapon, and he will use it. When the Reapers arrive, that will be his ace card against the Reaper, and I have speculation that will be his ticket into the council seat and establish a Cerberus-led government with the council licking his boots.

You know the Council, new and old, they're all idiots.


Why put ourselves in that situation to begin with? First, we make sure we can fix it.(We have Tali, so that's done) and then we kill every single Cerberus agent guarding the weapon, and then we can use it ourselves. And when we're done with it, after killing a bunch of Reapers, we're given the option to either destroy it completely, or give it to someone capable of handling it without going on a killing spree.

 


Were are we going to have house a gun that big and secondly  were  is the money and the Resources going to come from to fix it. Tali is going to need a **** load of workers and more to get the gun up and  running.  They cost money something that Shepherd is short on at the moment.    As much as I make the my not like Cerberus bottom line is that they have funds and resources that are needed to  fighter the Reapers... We need them

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Yeah, but the Citadel controls the relay network.  That's one of the first things they do when they start reaping; command the Citadel to command the relay network to lock the organics out.  The Last Protheans fiddled with the Citadel to make it not respond to that command.  Go a step further and command the Citadel to invert the lockout.

Instead of "Reaper IFF = Super Precise Drift Calculations", it instead does "Reaper IFF = Lock Out"


See, I thought the protheans just shut off the keepers.  I never got the feeling that they got to the level to understand reaper relays, just that they killed the messenger that turned the reaper relay on.

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Though that would pretty much shut them down completely if possible.  It would take lifetimes to cross from one populated area to the next.  Just every thousand years or so have the people on the system that the reapers are heading to move somewhere else.  Civilization monkey in the middle :wizard:

FTL speeds given by codex imply you could cross the galaxy in 22 years.


I really should read that one of these days :pinched:

So it isn't an instant win, would be helpful if possible though.

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nitefyre410 wrote...

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That gives more reason to "cooperate" with Cerberus even further, right?

Just to get our hands into that WMD.

TIM has the weapon, and he will use it. When the Reapers arrive, that will be his ace card against the Reaper, and I have speculation that will be his ticket into the council seat and establish a Cerberus-led government with the council licking his boots.

You know the Council, new and old, they're all idiots.


Why put ourselves in that situation to begin with? First, we make sure we can fix it.(We have Tali, so that's done) and then we kill every single Cerberus agent guarding the weapon, and then we can use it ourselves. And when we're done with it, after killing a bunch of Reapers, we're given the option to either destroy it completely, or give it to someone capable of handling it without going on a killing spree.

 


Were are we going to have house a gun that big and secondly  were  is the money and the Resources going to come from to fix it. Tali is going to need a **** load of workers and more to get the gun up and  running.  They cost money something that Shepherd is short on at the moment.    As much as I make the my not like Cerberus bottom line is that they have funds and resources that are needed to  fighter the Reapers... We need them

Posted ImageAs much as I don't like it this is correct we need Cerberus for now

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All that data went through EDI.  EDI is the Normandy now.  Shepard is allowing her to stay that way.  TIM would probably not.

Okay, and how did EDI get the data to TIM?  Regular comms?  Look at how the comms systems work between systems.  His communications were realtime, not delayed as would be the case.  The quantum device allows the updates.  It is a communication system usable anywhere in the galaxy for instance comms OR data.


EDI hooked up to the QEC to transmit the data she collated to Timmay.  EDI does not anymore.

Simple.

If there are any hidden programming bits in there, EDI can dispose of them easily.  She's a BlueBox.  With Reaper hacking weapons.

Modifié par MadCat221, 04 août 2010 - 08:19 .


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if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

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TTTX wrote...

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if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

Yeah why can't we just trace the signal when he contacts shepard?..EDI and Legion together could do it...

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if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)


The Reapers may arrive much sooner than expected.

Did anyone else complete the scanning of the keepers?  If so, an e-mail came in that suggested that the keepers have a protocol to open the Citadel relay directly to the Reapers out in Dark Space.

So...that could hit at any moment.  Civilization would have an invitation to a come-as-you-are party.

Maybe insted of killing TIM, Daro'Xen, and everyone else that some seem to dislike, it would be a really good idea to focus on the primary mission.  'cause Jesse isn't going to stop all those Reapers.

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TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

We need Cerberus I hate them but Shepard need their help

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All that data went through EDI.  EDI is the Normandy now.  Shepard is allowing her to stay that way.  TIM would probably not.

Okay, and how did EDI get the data to TIM?  Regular comms?  Look at how the comms systems work between systems.  His communications were realtime, not delayed as would be the case.  The quantum device allows the updates.  It is a communication system usable anywhere in the galaxy for instance comms OR data.


EDI hooked up to the QEC to transmit the data she collated to Timmay.  EDI does not anymore.

Simple.

ah.....   Who's on first....

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Mazder wrote...

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Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

Yeah why can't we just trace the signal when he contacts shepard?..EDI and Legion together could do it...

don't forget Tali.

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it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.


Well that was my one condition for it happening in ME3.  It had to be completely on the way to stopping the reapers anyway.  I just don't want Bioware to push it on me, acting like TIM is such a big threat that he needs taken care of before the reapers.

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TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

We need Cerberus I hate them but Shepard need their help

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Bah, system lag
MORE TALI! ;)

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Mazder wrote...

TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

Yeah why can't we just trace the signal when he contacts shepard?..EDI and Legion together could do it...

you forgot Tali.

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TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

We need Cerberus I hate them but Shepard need their help

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TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

We need Cerberus I hate them but Shepard need their help

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TTTX wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)

it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.

We need Cerberus I hate them but Shepard need their help

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Epic post fail stupid bug

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Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
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if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)


The Reapers may arrive much sooner than expected.

Did anyone else complete the scanning of the keepers?  If so, an e-mail came in that suggested that the keepers have a protocol to open the Citadel relay directly to the Reapers out in Dark Space.

So...that could hit at any moment.  Civilization would have an invitation to a come-as-you-are party.

Maybe insted of killing TIM, Daro'Xen, and everyone else that some seem to dislike, it would be a really good idea to focus on the primary mission.  'cause Jesse isn't going to stop all those Reapers.

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Phil725 wrote...

TTTX wrote...
*snip*
if it was so easy to get from Dark Space to the Galaxy they wouldn't have wasted two years bulding that Humanreaper which tells me they are at least are going to take two years or more for them to get there.

which should give us a enough time to do what needs to be done including killing TIM.


Which is nothing more than a guess.  Maybe the human reaper wasn't going to be done for another couple thousand years, and that was never part of their plans.

My whole point is that the gain here (killing TIM now instead of later,) isn't worth the risk (not being prepared when the reapers arrive.)


The Reapers may arrive much sooner than expected.

Did anyone else complete the scanning of the keepers?  If so, an e-mail came in that suggested that the keepers have a protocol to open the Citadel relay directly to the Reapers out in Dark Space.

So...that could hit at any moment.  Civilization would have an invitation to a come-as-you-are party.

Maybe insted of killing TIM, Daro'Xen, and everyone else that some seem to dislike, it would be a really good idea to focus on the primary mission.  'cause Jesse isn't going to stop all those Reapers.

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MassDestroyer wrote...
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Posted ImageAs much as I don't like it this is correct we need Cerberus for now


Okay, let me get this clear.

I'd rather beg on my knees for help from the Alliance or any other faction than Cerberus.

They can't even fix a broken chair. About five of them would probably just stab themselves to death with the pointy end. They would probably just damage the weapon instead of fixing it.

They are utterly pathetic when it comes to...well, anything.

I won't let them do it.

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it can be done along the way, Miranda might know where he is, she has met him at least once.




Well that was my one condition for it happening in ME3. It should be completely on the way to stopping the reapers anyway. I just don't want Bioware to push it on me, acting like TIM is even 1/100th of the threat, and needs taken care of before they do.