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[Azint]

Lividity Jones wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
jesus christ its like its a ****ing compitition

"My fic's darker than your fic!"

"Let's get into a big circle-jerk over how much pain and suffering we can heap on Tali's character!"

"Aw ****, boy. Count me in!"

[MassDestroyer]

What i said 
Shepard: You've got alot of nerve
Shala: Im sorry Tali should have been informed
What I wanted to say
Shepard: You!!!
Tali: *Jawdrop*

[thegreateski]

Hello. I just recently did the Tali romance for the first time. I felt the need to come here and voice my . . . displeasure with it.



From what I've put together from the actual romance dialouges and Tali's loyalty mission I have come to the conclusion that the Tali romance is horrifying.



It feels as if Shepard (and by extension, the player) is just taking advantage of Tali's hero worship and filling in the hole left from her father's death. Seriously, the girl has the emotional mindset of an adolecent and she's latching onto the only stable thing in her life. The whole fact that Tali's dialouges in ME1 we're just her telling the player about her race and that the dialouges in ME2 were mostly shameless flirting disturbs me greatly. We never actually learn about Tali the person, just Tali the Quarian.



Now what I am seeking this threads opinion on . . . is whether or not there is more to the "romance" then learning about her people and the sex.



It probably does not help that I've always seen Tali as a daughter figure rather then a romantic partner.



- Respectfully, Eski

[Collider]

Thanks for your opinion, greateski, but I only saw the Liara romance as hero worship.

[MassDestroyer]

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

SpatFieya wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...
jesus christ its like its a ****ing compitition

"My fic's darker than your fic!"

"Let's get into a big circle-jerk over how much pain and suffering we can heap on Tali's character!"

"Aw ****, boy. Count me in!"

*Extreem sarcasm* yeah why don't we all join the god damn tali hate group
Good lord that was far even for me

[Kalashnikov]

Mukora wrote...

thegreateski wrote...
*snip*

*sigh* Here we go again...

*sigh* i think ill sit back on this one (as long as i can)

[Collider]

For those who are on my friends list, I have an entry about some of my views on the character threads.

[InHarmsWay]

Collider wrote...

Thanks for your opinion, greateski, but I only saw the Liara romance as hero worship.

Can be said about pretty much any of the romances, except Thane and Jack.

[Lividity Jones]

thegreateski wrote...

-**********snip-

- Respectfully, Eski

...Somebody else deal with this.

I'm not in the mood.

[RiptideX1090]

Isn't that what love is?



Having someone who is there for you, fights for you, is willing to die for you? Someone who wants you to be happy, and to be with that person?



If you have another definition of love, please, share.

[Kalashnikov]

Collider wrote...

For those who are on my friends list, I have an entry about some of my views on the character threads.

and those who arent? chopped liver? 

[RiptideX1090]

Lividity Jones wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

-**********snip-

- Respectfully, Eski

...Somebody else deal with this.

I'm not in the mood.

Agreed.

[Megumeru]

InHarmsWay wrote...

*raelalivesnipfic

Someone else who think Rael isn't a bad guy! HUZZAH!!!!


now...repostan

Just a Quarian

He is an Admiral. It is the highest position given to any living Quarian
in the Migrant Fleet, a feat only a select few were qualified for. The
very survival of the Quarian race, both socially and physically rests in
his hands and the hands of the Admiralty board. It is both a position
that brought prestige and honor, only to be weighed down by the sheer
volume of responsibility one has to carry.

It is the figure imprinted in her mind.

He is a politician. Devoted, cold, cunning, and sometimes ruthless in his
arguments that justifies his strong presence that constantly shoves the
opinion of the Admiralty board to the sides. His experience has taught
him many, save him from making a fool of himself, while belittling those
who oppose him. His very word could sway the faith of many, while his
actions could bring upon war or peace, salvation or condemnation.

It is the character she sees him to be.

He is a father. A figure that wishes the best for his
daughter, to see the brightest of all Quarians rise upon the ashes of
those around him. For that, he would sacrifice anything to bring upon
happiness to his only child, a gift from the woman he loves that left
him for Keelah's side. 

It is the image she never saw in him.

He is Rael'Zorah. An Admiral of the Migrant Fleet, Captain of the Rayya, and a
father of Tali'Zorah. Many sees him as a strong figure, brave,
calculative, and cunning. He is respected, honored, and appraised for
his achievement and contribution to the fleet. His goals were ambitious,
his dream reaches further than the stars, and his influence dives
deeper than the trenches of Kahje. He is devoted, strong, and
respectable.

Yet he is never content.

For within the halls of the Rayya, and the empty corridors of the Alerei, he
wishes only for the approval of his daughter. He is a father, and yet he
is not. His dedication and contribution has left him burried within the
insurmountable responsibility he carries in his back, leaving no room
for him to cradle his girl. She is so close to him, yet is so distant
for him to reach and hold her tight, never letting go. He wish for her
success, granting her the best education and training the Fleet can
offer, praying to Keelah to mold her into the pride of the entire
Migrant Fleet as she is expected to be.

Yet she always kept her distant.

Now, with her bearing the age of 24, Rael'Zorah could only watch as his
little girl grew to be a fine young woman. Indeed, she has returned from
her pilgrimage bearing the greatest gift the Fleet could have asked
for. For two years she prove her loyalty with the Fleet over and over
again, quickly recognized to be a respectable member within Quarian
society. The stories of her pilgrimage reaches the highest peak of the
Admiralty board, as well as the lowest subdeck of engineering. Yet such
tales were never passed to his ears personally...

As he watches her from a distant shadow of his past, Rael'Zorah continuously
wishes to see the best for his little girl. He wanted to make her proud,
see him as a father he should be and not as someone who has neglected
her for the past 20 years of his life. He felt mistaken, foolish, and
hollow as he realize the wrong-doing of him as a father. Most of all, he
wanted her to see the best of him; not as an Admiral, nor a Captain.
But as a father who raised her through all the years.

He wanted to build her a home. A home that nests in their long-lost homeworld of
Rannoch, a dream that many Quarians would never see within their
lifetime. Home is a state of mind.

When she requested for her transfer to the Normandy,
Rael'Zorah could never see light within her judgment. He wanted to deny
her request, to summon her back to the Rayya and remind her of her duty
to the fleet. But then, there was Shepard...

Shepard....a name he heard many times, both from the extranet and from mouth-to-mouth. He is a

human, a man, and a soldier of the Systems Alliance. He wonders
thoughtfully how she became so susceptible to his request, how she could
emphasize the word trust and shove it deep into the Commander's responsibility without a second thought? When the answer dawned on him, he was no less furious, and yet he has no one to blame but himself.

Rael'Zorah saw what he lacked in Shepard. Tali doesn't want the best education, the best implants, nor the best
envirosuit. She doesn't want a home in Rannoch, nor does being a respected member within Quarian society appeal to her attention.

She wanted is love.

She wanted her father to talk to her, hold her, and smile with her in the time of joy. She doesn't want appraisals, material gifts, nor positions worthy of glory or respect. She wanted her father's approval, acceptance, and words of praise whispered kinto her ears.
What Rael'Zorah lacked, Shepard was there to fill his shoes. He was there when she needed a hand to hold on to. He was there when she needed a friend to talk to, and he was there when she needed someone to smile with. Most of all, He was there in times of sorrow and joy. To her, he meant more than just a friend...

And Rael knows this.

As he writes her approval notice personally, Rael'Zorah contemplates his
mistakes and regrets for the past years of his life. Now his little girl
is strong, determined, and beautiful. He regret himself for never
showing his face to her when she was still in the Rayya, his abscence
when she cries and when she succeeds. Now, with his daughter leaving the
fleet to open a new chapter in her life, Rael'Zorah could only pray to
Keelah for her safe passage and delivery through troubling times,
supporting her from a distant shadow deep within the research laboratory
of the Alerei. Subtly, he embeds his approval notice with a message of
his own, between a father and the man who would take his place.

"Please, take care of my daughter. She is my strength, my hope, my love. The only one I have left in this world..."

Rael'Zorah vas Rayya, an Admiral of the Quarian Migrant Fleet, a Captain of the
Rayya, a strong politician and a devoted member of Quarian society, a
father of Tali'Zorah vas Normandy nar Rayya. Yet behind the covers of his strength, his status, and his position, he is....

...just a Quarian.


-Fin-

[MassDestroyer]

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Isn't that what love is?

Having someone who is there for you, fights for you, is willing to die for you? Someone who wants you to be happy, and to be with that person?

If you have another definition of love, please, share.

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[MadCat221]

InHarmsWay wrote...

*Reports-Of-Rael's-Death-Are-Greatly-Exaggerated Fic*

Pretty touching, but it was a bit too expositiony in a lot of places...  When it happened in the middle of some of the parts with Rael apologizing, it kinda jarred things...

Modifié par MadCat221, 05 août 2010 - 04:09 .

[Collider]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Collider wrote...
Thanks for your opinion, greateski, but I only saw the Liara romance as hero worship.

Can be said about pretty much any of the romances, except Thane and Jack.

I think people are forgetting that Tali's romance is the most conditional romance in Mass Effect in general. That goes directly against "hero worship." She's not worshipping Shepard, she will chew him out and call him a ****** if he does something she doesn't approve. Most people don't even realize this because they don't take renegade options.

[Lividity Jones]

Mukora wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...
...Somebody else deal with this.

I'm not in the mood.

ZOMG. SOMEONE'S OPINION IS DIFFERENT FROM MY OWN. THEY ARE INSTANTLY A ******.

...So Tali's just some quarian **** to you, too?

Is that it?

[Collider]

Kalashnikov wrote...

Collider wrote...

For those who are on my friends list, I have an entry about some of my views on the character threads.

and those who arent? chopped liver? 

Indeed. Expendable.

[Kalashnikov]

Lividity Jones wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

-**********snip-

- Respectfully, Eski

...Somebody else deal with this.

I'm not in the mood.

jones no need to be rude hes respectfully stating his opinion
although i do agree on its redundancy and foolishness (sorry eski, this is the tali thread, prepare to get flamed)

[RiptideX1090]

Collider wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Collider wrote...
Thanks for your opinion, greateski, but I only saw the Liara romance as hero worship.

Can be said about pretty much any of the romances, except Thane and Jack.

I think people are forgetting that Tali's romance is the most conditional romance in Mass Effect in general. That goes directly against "hero worship." She's not worshipping Shepard, she will chew him out and call him a ****** if he does something she doesn't approve. Most people don't even realize this because they don't take renegade options.

Yeah.

And Shepard comes off as pushy in the romance, that's because you're taking the paragon options. Take the middle options. MUCH less pushy.

[MassDestroyer]

Lividity Jones wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

-**********snip-

- Respectfully, Eski

...Somebody else deal with this.

I'm not in the mood.

nice use of the dumb ass snip