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#10726
Phil725

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thegreateski wrote...

Hello. I just recently did the Tali romance for the first time. I felt the need to come here and voice my . . . displeasure with it.

From what I've put together from the actual romance dialouges and Tali's loyalty mission I have come to the conclusion that the Tali romance is horrifying.

It feels as if Shepard (and by extension, the player) is just taking advantage of Tali's hero worship and filling in the hole left from her father's death. Seriously, the girl has the emotional mindset of an adolecent and she's latching onto the only stable thing in her life. The whole fact that Tali's dialouges in ME1 we're just her telling the player about her race and that the dialouges in ME2 were mostly shameless flirting disturbs me greatly. We never actually learn about Tali the person, just Tali the Quarian.

Now what I am seeking this threads opinion on . . . is whether or not there is more to the "romance" then learning about her people and the sex.

It probably does not help that I've always seen Tali as a daughter figure rather then a romantic partner.

- Respectfully, Eski


First of all, if you see the character as something other than another woman, its likely that you are already biased in your own way.  Not that I'm saying there's anything wrong with that, but if you go in thinking of her as a daughter figure, some of the interpretations are going to lead to mixed messages.  That would be my guess as to why you see the romance like you do.

Personally, I never got the feeling that she was trying to replace her father's love with Shep's.  She spends ME1 adapting to a whole new life.  She spends time talking about her people because its what she's most comfortable doing.  As time goes on, she confides some stuff in Shep, and I see a friendship grow between the two.  The game also adds that she has a crush growing in the game.  This is likely where the hero worship comes in.  She sees the prototypical captain figure, the big hero. 

Then when ME2 comes around, that's when that stuff gets replaced with real feelings.  She trusts Shep enough platonically to leave everything in her life behind to join him with a terrorist organization that attacked the flotilla.  And as time goes on, things like her loyalty mission show her that Shep is the one who is always there for her.  Trust on that level, along with the friendship that they already have established (I think this is the important part,) leads to deeper feelings, that she eventually expresses. 

The romance after that point is expediated due to the nature of their mission (she fully expects to die,) but the lead up to the romance starting has them going through plenty besides hero worship.  She develops a strong friendship at first, then the trust up to the point that she can trust her life in Shep without thinking.  I don't see how romantic feelings are much of a jump personally.

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#10727
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Bom_diggidy_Wrex wrote...

Mukora wrote...

Collider wrote...
No one is calling him a ******.

Read Lividity's post again.


jus voicing his opinion i don't like tali's romance eithier i see her as a little sister to shepard and agreeit seems like he did take advantage of her (your dads dead now lets hug!) but thats just my opinion and i'm entitled to it!Posted Image

so your friends father dies and shes crying over his body, you dont give her a hug? the hell man, thats not taking advantage of her. 

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Pfft. Taking advantage of her my ass. I only thought that the Liara romance could technically classify as that.

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MassDestroyer wrote...
AND 4 I GET TO LIGHT HIM ON FIRE

That's nice. Listen, i called some guys in white suits to pick you up, if you don't mind.

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I don't believe Tali is hero worshipping Shepard at all. As I said earlier, she's actually the most independent of the squad mates.

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Phil725 wrote...

Ignore what I said and read his post. Makes more sense, I guess. Never been good with words, myself.

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Collider wrote...
Pfft. Taking advantage of her my ass. I only thought that the Liara romance could technically classify as that.

Ouch.

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Collider wrote...

I don't believe Tali is hero worshipping Shepard at all. As I said earlier, she's actually the most independent of the squad mates.


Her and Grunt, I think.

Everyone else bends at some point.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Ignore what I said and read his post. Makes more sense, I guess. Never been good with words, myself.

No, you had a great post Rune. And I agreed with it.

#10735
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Kalashnikov wrote...

Bom_diggidy_Wrex wrote...

Mukora wrote...

Collider wrote...
No one is calling him a ******.

Read Lividity's post again.


jus voicing his opinion i don't like tali's romance eithier i see her as a little sister to shepard and agreeit seems like he did take advantage of her (your dads dead now lets hug!) but thats just my opinion and i'm entitled to it!Posted Image

so your friends father dies and shes crying over his body, you dont give her a hug? the hell man, thats not taking advantage of her. 


If i saw my parent's dead body i really wouldn't feel a hug would make things better =/ a hug seems unapropriate over a dead body idk why but it does

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Bom_diggidy_Wrex wrote...

Mukora wrote...

Collider wrote...
No one is calling him a ******.

Read Lividity's post again.


jus voicing his opinion i don't like tali's romance eithier i see her as a little sister to shepard and agreeit seems like he did take advantage of her (your dads dead now lets hug!) but thats just my opinion and i'm entitled to it!Posted Image


Indeed. Is he taking an advantage of her? I don't think so...

I went to a friend's house once, and her parents are having an argument which didn't end exactly as it was supposed to be. She cried, and what do I do? I hug her. Is that me taking advantage? I feel the need to do so jsut to calm her down, telling her she's alright, everything will be ok, I'm here if you need a shoulder to cry on, etc.


Ah, and I do see Tali as a little sister-figure in ME1. But that change in ME2 after learning more tidbits and character...

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RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't believe Tali is hero worshipping Shepard at all. As I said earlier, she's actually the most independent of the squad mates.


Her and Grunt, I think.

Everyone else bends at some point.

could be cause grunt has like one of those single-track minds 

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Collider wrote...
I don't believe Tali is hero worshipping Shepard at all. As I said earlier, she's actually the most independent of the squad mates.

I think there is an element of hero worship there.  As Phil points out:  he's the heroic captain, a powerful archetype for quarians.  But what's important is that it's not blind worship.  As you point out, she's not afraid to tell him she's not pleased about him at times.

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I can't hug a friend crying over her father's dead body without taking advantage of her?



Do you have any ****ing friends in real life, like at all!?

#10740
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*looks at eski's post and facepalms*

And with that I am out

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...
I don't believe Tali is hero worshipping Shepard at all. As I said earlier, she's actually the most independent of the squad mates.

I think there is an element of hero worship there.  As Phil points out:  he's the heroic captain, a powerful archetype for quarians.  But what's important is that it's not blind worship.  As you point out, she's not afraid to tell him she's not pleased about him at times.


For the record, I think its pretty much all gone by ME2.  Though it was probably a factor in her developing her crush in the first place.

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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...
Pfft. Taking advantage of her my ass. I only thought that the Liara romance could technically classify as that.

Ouch.

She's a social recluse who's only lived 10% of her life and who has zero little to experience with relationships in general platonic or otherwise - and this hero or heroine swoops in and she's swooning from the start. I don't actually think Shepard is taking advantage of her, but if any of the romances are "taking advantage," it's her's and possibly Jack's, IMO.

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He hasn't responded and I'm the ****.

Awesome.

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I guess what they say is true.



"Love is Insanity"



lol.

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Collider wrote...
She's a social recluse who's only lived 10% of her life and who has zero little to experience with relationships in general platonic or otherwise - and this hero or heroine swoops in and she's swooning from the start. I don't actually think Shepard is taking advantage of her, but if any of the romances are "taking advantage," it's her's and possibly Jack's, IMO.

I repeat: Liara is fiteen in asari years.

#10746
FsDxRAGE

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Hey Jones, where do you go to school?

#10747
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FsDxRAGE wrote...

*looks at eski's post and facepalms*
And with that I am out

You were in?

Boy, you be lurkin'.

Modifié par SpatFieya, 05 août 2010 - 04:24 .


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InHarmsWay wrote...

[*snip*."


*brofist*Posted Image

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MassEffect762 wrote...
I guess what they say is true.
"Love is Insanity"
lol.

I can testify to this based on experience....

#10750
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NuclearBuddha wrote...

Collider wrote...
I don't believe Tali is hero worshipping Shepard at all. As I said earlier, she's actually the most independent of the squad mates.

I think there is an element of hero worship there.  As Phil points out:  he's the heroic captain, a powerful archetype for quarians.  But what's important is that it's not blind worship.  As you point out, she's not afraid to tell him she's not pleased about him at times.

Well, Tali does see him as a hero, but she is not worshipping him (which is what hero worship is, hence the name). She's very quick to knock him down a peg and voice his displeasure with him if she feels he's acted erroneously. That to me is not worship. She admires him, but she will call him a ****** and denounce him as one if he acts like that one.