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[FsDxRAGE]

SpatFieya wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

*looks at eski's post and facepalms*
And with that I am out

You were in?

Boy, you be lurkin'.

about to head off to the magical realm of Microsoft Word

[ElectricZ]

As far as the sex=romance or taking advantage of Tali in a moment of grief, that ol' dialogue wheel at the bottom of the screen takes you down the path you choose. She's pretty much telegraphing her shots the whole time. So, like most other situations in the game, if you feel uncomfortable afterwards, you're the one who took you there...

[nitefyre410]

MassEffect762 wrote...

I guess what they say is true.

"Love is Insanity"

lol.

 

its an Oxymoron as well but I will start a **** storm with topic .  

"Never  try to make love logical, its not its emotional, logic has nothing to do with."  
-Me 
 

[MadCat221]

Bom_diggidy_Wrex wrote...

Mukora wrote...

Collider wrote...
No one is calling him a ******.

Read Lividity's post again.

jus voicing his opinion i don't like tali's romance eithier i see her as a little sister to shepard and agreeit seems like he did take advantage of her (your dads dead now lets hug!) but thats just my opinion and i'm entitled to it!

So if a close friend of yours just found their father dead, you wouldn't try to console them?  Keep in mind that FemShep can offer the shoulder to cry on as well.  It's just common decency.

I could see this POV from the Renegade perspective, with the "if he can't build you a house on the homeworld, I will", but not from the Paragon perspective.  He tries to gently tell Tali that the dream of the homeworld may be out of reach, something that certainly would not score points if the intent was to score.

[SpatFieya]

FsDxRAGE wrote...
about to head off to the magical realm of Microsoft Word

Ah.

Well may the Tali FF Gods put a blessing upon thee. 

[MassDestroyer]

Mukora wrote...

MassDestroyer wrote...
AND 4 I GET TO LIGHT HIM ON FIRE

That's nice. Listen, i called some guys in white suits to pick you up, if you don't mind.

*Cracks knuckles*

[NuclearBuddha]

BTW: you guys are barking up the wrong tree trying to talk rationally to BDW.

[Megumeru]

Kalashnikov wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I don't believe Tali is hero worshipping Shepard at all. As I said earlier, she's actually the most independent of the squad mates.

Her and Grunt, I think.

Everyone else bends at some point.

could be cause grunt has like one of those single-track minds 

I don't agree with the idea of a hero worship on some character.

Garrus? A student-mentor relationship. Hero worship? He DID opposed Shepard if you say 'don't' to killing Sidonis. Not to mention, getting it even with Harkin despite you telling him not to shoot him. He has his ways

Jack? Pushed you away. Faaaaaar away unless you're good enough to try to get close, then that may change.

Jacob? I see him as the 'letsbefriendsandenjoyshidandstuff' guy. He became open, disregards his formalities and sees Shepard as a friend (and not as some big goddamn hero).

Legion? I can't comment on this one. Slightly hero worship, maybe? But I'm not sure.

Samara? Is pretty much detached from the world aside from her jobs. That's what I can say about her.

Thane? Is on a constant guilt-trip up until your final conversation with him where he sees you as a friend.

and more that I want t comment but just don't bother to do so.

[Azint]

Lividity Jones wrote...

He hasn't responded and I'm the ****.

Awesome.

You were playing the straw man, Jones. Even if you disagree, it's not always appropriate to call someone any lesser than yourself. You could have responded with a more appropriate and actual response, or at the very least ignore it.

I myself like to respond with a civil attitude while leaving a subtle backhanded remark.

[Collider]

mrsph wrote...

People are seriously over-analyzing these romances that only take place in 2-3 conversations. Just pick the character you like and wash your hands of the affair.

Yea, true.

[Phil725]

mrsph wrote...

People are seriously over-analyzing these romances that only take place in 2-3 conversations. Just pick the character you like and wash your hands of the affair.

Its interesting, at least to me, to look at them deeper.  Fill in the grey areas, look at the motivations behind the characters.  Think about what else is there besides the 3 conversations.  But then again, I spend a lot of time over-analyzing things

[Water Dumple]

Azint wrote...

I myself like to respond with a civil attitude while leaving a subtle backhanded remark.

Otherwise known as the "snark".

[BTG_01]

I stepped out for a few minutes and the thread seems to have a gotten a little more tense. Here's an amusing video.

Anyway, as for eski's charge that Shepard is just filling Rael's place in Tali's life. Well, I don't see it that way, since they knew each other for a while before he died, but if you do see it that way just remember, every major character  in ME2 has daddy issues: Miranda and Jacob's loyalty missions deal with their fathers. Jack's was absent for her life, Grunt's grew him in a tank, Garrus' never supported his dream of being a spectre, etc.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

People are seriously over-analyzing these romances that only take place in 2-3 conversations. Just pick the character you like and wash your hands of the affair.

Its interesting, at least to me, to look at them deeper.  Fill in the grey areas, look at the motivations behind the characters.  Think about what else is there besides the 3 conversations.  But then again, I spend a lot of time over-analyzing things

I also like analyzing the characters. The thing I believe primarily to be overanalyzing is when people start making derogatory statements about the fans of the characters themselves. Then, people are taking things waaay too seriously.

[nitefyre410]

Collider wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Collider wrote...
Thanks for your opinion, greateski, but I only saw the Liara romance as hero worship.

Can be said about pretty much any of the romances, except Thane and Jack.

I think people are forgetting that Tali's romance is the most conditional romance in Mass Effect in general. That goes directly against "hero worship." She's not worshipping Shepard, she will chew him out and call him a ****** if he does something she doesn't approve. Most people don't even realize this because they don't take renegade options.

Yeah.

And Shepard comes off as pushy in the romance, that's because you're taking the paragon options. Take the middle options. MUCH less pushy.

If anything, I felt Shepard was disturbingly pushy in the Jack romance. It was very one sided.

 


I have to  have agree in the terms of  romance  Jack is just too emotionally unstable at this point in her life to form any longing last romantic bond.   What Jack needs first and for most in a  friend and REAL friend.  Honestly I think all the romance Tali's included where lack simply because Bioware rushed them  to save  time on Gameplay. Instead on  having Content were you get to know the LI  much like  *cough* Persona3&4 *cough*   

Tali's romances was sweet and it kind sneaks up on like    freight train. Something that I like about the whole thing because on Haelstorm you busting ass trying to save her  then you stop think "Why I'm this worked up... OH ****.. I love her."  

[Collider]

Azint wrote...

Lividity Jones wrote...

He hasn't responded and I'm the ****.

Awesome.

You were playing the straw man, Jones. Even if you disagree, it's not always appropriate to call someone any lesser than yourself. You could have responded with a more appropriate and actual response, or at the very least ignore it.

I myself like to respond with a civil attitude while leaving a subtle backhanded remark.

I agree. Respond respectfully to a respectful post, and if they don't return respect, then it's best to simply ignore it.

[Azint]

Water Dumple wrote...

Azint wrote...

I myself like to respond with a civil attitude while leaving a subtle backhanded remark.

Otherwise known as the "snark".

In hindsight, that post could have been so much richer if I did that very thing.

Missed oppurtunities, shame.

[Collider]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Collider wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Collider wrote...
Thanks for your opinion, greateski, but I only saw the Liara romance as hero worship.

Can be said about pretty much any of the romances, except Thane and Jack.

I think people are forgetting that Tali's romance is the most conditional romance in Mass Effect in general. That goes directly against "hero worship." She's not worshipping Shepard, she will chew him out and call him a ****** if he does something she doesn't approve. Most people don't even realize this because they don't take renegade options.

Yeah.

And Shepard comes off as pushy in the romance, that's because you're taking the paragon options. Take the middle options. MUCH less pushy.

If anything, I felt Shepard was disturbingly pushy in the Jack romance. It was very one sided.

 


I have to  have agree in the terms of  romance  Jack is just too emotionally unstable at this point in her life to form any longing last romantic bond.   What Jack needs first and for most in a  friend and REAL friend.  Honestly I think all the romance Tali's included where lack simply because Bioware rushed them  to save  time on Gameplay. Instead on  having Content were you get to know the LI  much like  *cough* Persona3&4 *cough*   

Tali's romances was sweet and it kind sneaks up on like    freight train. Something that I like about the whole thing because on Haelstorm you busting ass trying to save her  then you stop think "Why I'm this worked up... OH ****.. I love her."  

Agreed. Good post.

[Megumeru]

Collider wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Collider wrote...

RiptideX1090 wrote...

Collider wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Collider wrote...
Thanks for your opinion, greateski, but I only saw the Liara romance as hero worship.

Can be said about pretty much any of the romances, except Thane and Jack.

I think people are forgetting that Tali's romance is the most conditional romance in Mass Effect in general. That goes directly against "hero worship." She's not worshipping Shepard, she will chew him out and call him a ****** if he does something she doesn't approve. Most people don't even realize this because they don't take renegade options.

Yeah.

And Shepard comes off as pushy in the romance, that's because you're taking the paragon options. Take the middle options. MUCH less pushy.

If anything, I felt Shepard was disturbingly pushy in the Jack romance. It was very one sided.

 


I have to  have agree in the terms of  romance  Jack is just too emotionally unstable at this point in her life to form any longing last romantic bond.   What Jack needs first and for most in a  friend and REAL friend.  Honestly I think all the romance Tali's included where lack simply because Bioware rushed them  to save  time on Gameplay. Instead on  having Content were you get to know the LI  much like  *cough* Persona3&4 *cough*   

Tali's romances was sweet and it kind sneaks up on like    freight train. Something that I like about the whole thing because on Haelstorm you busting ass trying to save her  then you stop think "Why I'm this worked up... OH ****.. I love her."  

Agreed. Good post.

Seconded.

[Water Dumple]

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

mrsph wrote...

People are seriously over-analyzing these romances that only take place in 2-3 conversations. Just pick the character you like and wash your hands of the affair.

Its interesting, at least to me, to look at them deeper.  Fill in the grey areas, look at the motivations behind the characters.  Think about what else is there besides the 3 conversations.  But then again, I spend a lot of time over-analyzing things

I also like analyzing the characters. The thing I believe primarily to be overanalyzing is when people start making derogatory statements about the fans of the characters themselves. Then, people are taking things waaay too seriously.

Indeed. There's some good--no, great discussion to be had in character analysis; unfortunately, too often it spills over the other side into who is performing the analysis, and disagreements over non-canon opinions flare up. And if there's one thing I learned from forums over the last four years, it's that arguments have to be halted immediately  or they spiral miles out of control.

[NuclearBuddha]

nitefyre410 wrote...
Instead on  having Content were you get to know the LI  much like  *cough* Persona3&4 *cough*   

Tali's romances was sweet and it kind sneaks up on like    freight train. Something that I like about the whole thing because on Haelstorm you busting ass trying to save her  then you stop think "Why I'm this worked up... OH ****.. I love her."  

You're awesome.

[Mobius_118]

nitefyre410 wrote...


*Shouldasnippedbefore*

Tali's romances was sweet and it kind sneaks up on like    freight train. Something that I like about the whole thing because on Haelstorm you busting ass trying to save her  then you stop think "Why I'm this worked up... OH ****.. I love her."  

I actually do get that rush on Haestrom. What with her wishing that Shepard was there, the hopelessness of the whole situation, and the final battle with the Colossus, it's all very natural to go with the Tali romance.

Even during her loyalty mission, you still get the rush with her. I do anyway.

Modifié par Mobius_118, 05 août 2010 - 04:40 .

[nitefyre410]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...
Instead on  having Content were you get to know the LI  much like  *cough* Persona3&4 *cough*   

Tali's romances was sweet and it kind sneaks up on like    freight train. Something that I like about the whole thing because on Haelstorm you busting ass trying to save her  then you stop think "Why I'm this worked up... OH ****.. I love her."  

You're awesome.

 

*Brofist*   

Atlus most underrated RPG  developer of all times 

[Azint]

nitefyre410 wrote...

I have to  have agree in the terms of  romance  Jack is just too emotionally unstable at this point in her life to form any longing last romantic bond.   What Jack needs first and for most in a  friend and REAL friend.  Honestly I think all the romance Tali's included where lack simply because Bioware rushed them  to save  time on Gameplay. Instead on  having Content were you get to know the LI  much like  *cough* Persona3&4 *cough*   

Tali's romances was sweet and it kind sneaks up on like    freight train. Something that I like about the whole thing because on Haelstorm you busting ass trying to save her  then you stop think "Why I'm this worked up... OH ****.. I love her."  

"...I wish Shepard were here."

My very thought on my first game; "Well damn it. Now I have even more of an incentive not to fail. I'm on my way."

Few fictional romances ever melt me like this one did.