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[Mazder]

Pacifien wrote...

hangmans tree wrote...
Heres a quarian, my take
*snip*

I approve.

I approve scientifically as it seems most logical...but not aesthetically i cant imagine Tali being like this but it does prove most effective as a concept...Bravo!

[Tairis Deamhan]

Looks a little too drell to me with the lower jaw, but thats just me.

[Pacifien]

Aw, I missed my chance to ****** everyone off after making such in-roads in this community last night. The evidence at the trial. I suppose if I said I'd like to pick up that topic for debate in the future would just make many people groan and loathe the day.

I typically don't give the evidence, though. I can be a hardcore ass, but most games I'd rather pick the decisions that make me feel good. Like watching The Right Stuff or, ah, Galaxy Quest. Yes, those are my "make me feel better about life" movies.

I just have thoughts about what happens if I transfer the situation into a real life scenario. Collider once told me that such a comparison would never work because pushing human values on an alien civilization isn't quite like pushing human values on a human nation. And yes, the whole purpose of the loyalty missions is to be there for your team above all else so they can be at their best on a suicide mission that could potentially affect the entire galaxy. It's just an exercise in playing who I am versus who my Shepard is, I suppose. Be keen to talk about if anyone else wanted to.

Quarian biology and immune systems! Another topic that's probably been done to death for the old time Tali posters, but this is what got me so excited about the thread reboot. New thread is an opportunity for new people to hop in on a fresh start and discuss topics that they weren't around 8,000 pages ago to discuss the first time around. Most definitely will return to this topic, but I have to go turn dogs and cats into enuchs now.

[Phil725]

Tairis Deamhan wrote...

The quarian immune system is very much 'plot controlled', so I don't think Bioware has actually gotten THAT detailed with it.

Tali takes immuno boosters before visiting Shepard, yet describes the reaction her body has to foreign material as an extreme immune system reaction. Boosting the immune system would make this worse, not better.

Kal'Reeger has his suit punctured and then is pumped full of anti-biotics, gets a minor 'infection'. (Even though they dont actually get the infections). Despite the fact that you don't see a single bit of organic life on your mission on the irradiated planet, so what is he even reacting to?

The way its actually described by Tali, it's like the quarians are literally allergic to everything. But they have an adaptive immune system... so why exactly did they start needing the suits? They have plants and other quarians on their ships, ergo on the Flotilla their immune systems should have adapted to that enviroment. Yet when quarians link suits they both get sick.

I thought one of Sergio's fics had the right idea concerning the immuno boosters and herbal supplements.  The latter being to numb the reaction to the foreign bacteria, and the boosters to restrengthen the immune system afterwards.  Or something like that.

For Kal, I assume he reacted negatively to the environment on Haestrom.  The entire planet certainly wasn't sterile, could've been any number of airborne allergens out to get him. 

I am a little curious on how the descent into their current immune situation started.  I would assume the things present on the spaceships (each other, and other, largely sterilized things,) wasn't enough diversity to keep their immune systems up to date.  I imagine getting sick started to become an increasingly common problem, so the short term solution is to put everyone in enviro suits.  Maybe the sicknesses were beginning to get too common or serious, but unfortunately, the long term side effects are the rapid decline of their immune systems.

[Someone With Mass]

Tairis Deamhan wrote...

Looks a little too drell to me with the lower jaw, but thats just me.

That was my first thought too.

Whatever.

I'm not going to accept anything, even if it looks good, for the sole purpose of not raising my expectations when it comes to the possible revealing of her face.

I've learned that it's best that way. To not hope for too much.

[Savakka1]

The old thread got locked while I was away, again.

Modifié par Savakka1, 29 juillet 2010 - 12:56 .

[TTTX]

the old theard got locked up?



good thing I found this one.

[Costin_Razvan]

The quarian immune system is very much 'plot controlled', so I don't think Bioware has actually gotten THAT detailed with it.

Massive plot hole if you ask me. I just don't make much sense when you add it up.

[Pacifien]

Mazder wrote...
I approve scientifically as it seems most logical...but not aesthetically i cant imagine Tali being like this but it does prove most effective as a concept...Bravo!

What I approve the most is the attempt to work outside the box. I can see the developers taking a very muted tone with the quarian alien design, as the more human qualities tend to visually compel you to relate to the character. Not that it explains the appeal of Garrus in the romance department. I suppose I put too much emphasis on the developer article about the difficulties in creating a male love interest for women versus the female love interest for men. "Dem hips" and "dat ass" probably don't help the counterargument to my own, though.

I've wondered if it's easier for me to think of truly alien features on quarians because romance hasn't been an issue for me. People point to the face model that one can see behind the mask, but I have always viewed that as a placeholder, a means to provide dimension behind the mask in as simple and easy a manner possible. If I could, I'd develop every alien in the most bizarre manner possible. I've even tried to work ideas into the decidedly female asari figure, working on what features I could to make them different. (In my own personal ME universe, they turn their heads 270°.) That's the benefit of science fiction novels versus a visual medium: my imagination can go all out in trying to create a universe so different from Earth.

Anyway, one of the best elements of that picture is the attempt to make the equivalent of ears without making ears, which reminds me of Ascension's description.

Okay. Really. Going to go cut off some balls now.

[Alphyn]

Calinstel wrote...

There could have been a prolonged period when they first created the fleet where contagions in the ships forced them into suits. None of those ships were designed to handle the amount of recycling and air purifications needed for so many so constant failures were most likely the norm for a number of years as they beefed the systems up.

This could be a possible explanation.

[Someone With Mass]

A possibly dumb question, but when Tali says that she had bolstered her immune system, shouldn't the adaptability be strengthened as well?

I'm not so good (at all) when it comes so biology, so what do I know?

[Mazder]

Savakka1 wrote...

The old thread got locked while I was away, again.

same but we made it!

[Alphyn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

A possibly dumb question, but when Tali says that she had bolstered her immune system, shouldn't the adaptability be strengthened as well?
I'm not so good (at all) when it comes so biology, so what do I know?

Think of the antibiotics as pain-killers; they stop the pain for a while, but after a few hours, they wear off. In the end, they don't stop pain all together, just holds it off.

Y'know what I mean?

[TTTX]

Someone With Mass wrote...

A possibly dumb question, but when Tali says that she had bolstered her immune system, shouldn't the adaptability be strengthened as well?
I'm not so good (at all) when it comes so biology, so what do I know?

hmm it probaly was, but only for some time.

[TTTX]

Mazder wrote...

Savakka1 wrote...

The old thread got locked while I was away, again.

same but we made it!

it's not the first time a Tali theard has been locked,

but like the bird phoenix we have risen again.

[Someone With Mass]

Alphyn wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

A possibly dumb question, but when Tali says that she had bolstered her immune system, shouldn't the adaptability be strengthened as well?
I'm not so good (at all) when it comes so biology, so what do I know?

Think of the antibiotics as pain-killers; they stop the pain for a while, but after a few hours, they wear off. In the end, they don't stop pain all together, just holds it off.

Y'know what I mean?

Yeah, I guess so.

I just had a weird thought that they might boost the permament adaptation, and if Tali kept using them, her immune system would get used to...well, Shepard and other bacterias faster.

Fridge logic...

[Alphyn]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Yeah, I guess so.

I just had a weird thought that they might boost the permament adaptation, and if Tali kept using them, her immune system would get used to...well, Shepard and other bacterias faster.

Fridge logic...

Well, she could keep on using the antibiotics, but there could be a risk that she could become addicted to them, and, over time, possibly die.

It's the same story with pain-killers and other medicines.

Overall, it's safer for her to get better from the night before and continue to use antibiotics. Possibly once every few months or so. Plus, it'll make Shepard and Tali a lot more... *ahem* eager to spend time together.

[Tairis Deamhan]

Umm, no, don't know of any antibiotics that are physically addictive.



Also it still doesn't make sense. If their immune system reacts to all outside stimuli, then even on a ship they should have enough in the air and enviroment that their immune systems would adapt to at least that enviroment.

[TTTX]

Calinstel wrote...

If anything they would just become useless to the quarian using them so much I would think.

indeed, but I'm sure Tali immunsustem will have ataptet to Shepards bactaria before that happens.

[Seth Burns]

So. I hear that Tali Zorah is a pretty cool person. That one Quarian who was framed as stealing that Volus' credit chit in the Citadel told me that.