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[Megumeru]

took a nap for 3-4 hours and the thread jumped 10-20 pages o_0



Then went through a hell load of character death discussion, suits, lesbian quarians, and...awh whatever...



Ideas for me to write something? Anyone? Preferably d'aww material...before I decide to continue my ME2 playthrough

[FsDxRAGE]

cannedcream wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

just tapped out four thousand words
*passes out exhausted*

Were those words 'All work and no play makes RAGE a dull boy'?

Cause that's what I write.
Over and over and over again.

wut?

[mikethor007]

Snazzy Penguin wrote...

Hmm....Quarian relations with the other species post reaper war?

I'd say that they should at least start some sort of trading with the other races to get supplies in.

[Collider]

Snazzy Penguin wrote...
Hmm....Quarian relations with the other species post reaper war?

I can see the Quarians being treated with less ire, if the Geth situation is resolved. However, most Quarians would probably go to Rannoch, in which case they are not going to be scattered across the galaxy as much - which would probably lessen the amount of interspecies relationships.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...
I do see some of the prejudice fading away with generations. What I don't think is that everyone's dislike is going to disappear overnight. The Geth did not nearly exterminate their race.

Oh god, no. Of course it's not going to disappear overnight. Heck, there are still people pissed about the Civil War.

But the fact is, each generation seems to get a little more open-minded and accepting and once the quarians learn that peace can be had between the two of them (a peace that will not come off as a 'surrender' for either side) I think things will improve rapidly.

[Collider]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...
I do see some of the prejudice fading away with generations. What I don't think is that everyone's dislike is going to disappear overnight. The Geth did nearly exterminate their race.

Oh god, no. Of course it's not going to disappear overnight. Heck, there are still people pissed about the Civil War.

But the fact is, each generation seems to get a little more open-minded and accepting and once the quarians learn that peace can be had between the two of them (a peace that will not come off as a 'surrender' for either side) I think things will improve rapidly.

Agreed. Though I wonder what young Quarians would think about the whole thing.

Modifié par Collider, 06 août 2010 - 06:14 .

[nitefyre410]

Snazzy Penguin wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

its  a net forum about character that doesn't exist... people need to  calm frak down...   Okay not going to get started... once  I start  the whole thread could exploded  .. Tali Topic  anyone?  

Anything? As long as it does not involve  , the beaten to death issues of   Quarian/Geth relations. The Quarain immune system , or the  Morning Star. We have talked about  those so much I could right my god damn doctorate  about those subjects... lets talk about Something  new.  

Hmm....Quarian relations with the other species post reaper war?

 

Thank God for the New guy... 


Well... that  various on a lot of factors first and for most being what is going to happen with the Homeworld After the war. Do they get it back or don't they. I personally  am starting to lean to the side of the  settling a new home.  Rannoch instead of the nice dream and goal is starting to become  wonder  tonic for all issues Quarian related. 

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

It's pretty clear to see. Tali was prejudiced, too. So it appears that Han was.

Complicated quotes mode huh?

I should have added in my last post that obviously no feeling is universal.  Even if my thoughts turn out to be closer to the truth in ME3, there will always be a dissenting opinion.

That said, the current quarian opinion of the geth is obsolete.  The heretics are dead.  Tali saying she hopes the ship was full of geth bastards in ME1 doesn't mean anything to the situation at hand.  The quarians (and the rest of the galaxy,) have reason to hate the heretic geth.  And its clear that a lot do.

The game doesn't give us nearly as much of an opinion on the true geth, since no one outside the team even knows they exist.  How the quarians react to this news is what the entire ease of the ME3 conflict will hinge on.  The all important question is do the quarians believe that the geth drove them from their homeworld, or that their mistakes caused them to lose their homeworld.  I believe its the latter for the majority.  Korris and Shala certainly lean this way, and I've seen it mentioned that Xen even thinks this way as well.  Tali seems to lean towards the former in ME1, though I think we get a clear shift when Legion is introduced.  I'm unclear on Gerrel.

Collider wrote...

They blame themselves for making the Geth and trying to shut them down, but they know it was the Geth themselves who drove them away.

Tali thinks that in ME1, that's the only place I've heard that opinion.  Korris believes the opposite for one.  Gerrel may share this opinion by his geth apologist comment regarding Korris, but its unclear to me to what level he disagrees.

Collider wrote...

I agree, but I don't think that hatred or otherwise negative feeling would fadeaway when it had been brewing for three centuries. When their children had been taught to hate the Geth - or something of that form.

This is the assumption that everyone makes.  Where do we learn that children are taught to hate the geth?  Tali is the most extreme example, an admiral father who hates the geth, with a mom that died because of their position in life.  She's in the 99 percentile for geth hating reasons.

Collider wrote...

It's still the Geth.

Which is an ignorant view point that only the most close minded quarian will take.

[FsDxRAGE]

http://www.npr.org/t...oryId=128953596



before I go to bed, anyone interested in architecture needs to look at this.

I bet the quarians would feel like these are mansions.

I wonder what quarian homes looked like on Rannoch>

I hope we get to see in ME3

Keep it classy

*passes out*

[cannedcream]

Megumeru wrote...

took a nap for 3-4 hours and the thread jumped 10-20 pages o_0

Then went through a hell load of character death discussion, suits, lesbian quarians, and...awh whatever...

Ideas for me to write something? Anyone? Preferably d'aww material...before I decide to continue my ME2 playthrough

That's the Tali thread for ya! Never a dull moment.

[Snazzy Penguin]

Collider wrote...

Snazzy Penguin wrote...
Hmm....Quarian relations with the other species post reaper war?

I can see the Quarians being treated with less ire, if the Geth situation is resolved. However, most Quarians would probably go to Rannoch, in which case they are not going to be scattered across the galaxy as much - which would probably lessen the amount of interspecies relationships.

True that. They'd probably become almost more isolated with Rannoch being their homeworld again (assuming they sustained acceptable casualties in the reaper war and resolved Geth situation) with reconstuction of their basic necesities and revamping their way of life.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

Snazzy Penguin wrote...
Hmm....Quarian relations with the other species post reaper war?

I can see the Quarians being treated with less ire, if the Geth situation is resolved. However, most Quarians would probably go to Rannoch, in which case they are not going to be scattered across the galaxy as much - which would probably lessen the amount of interspecies relationships.

Which is probably good, considering most interactions now seem to be negative.  I see a sudden boost with the reclamation of a homeworld, along with getting rid of the resource draining flotilla.  Will take time for relationships to heal completely, though eventually things will improve.

[nitefyre410]

cannedcream wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

took a nap for 3-4 hours and the thread jumped 10-20 pages o_0

Then went through a hell load of character death discussion, suits, lesbian quarians, and...awh whatever...

Ideas for me to write something? Anyone? Preferably d'aww material...before I decide to continue my ME2 playthrough

That's the Tali thread for ya! Never a dull moment.

 

Lets not go back over  that, I concede  to will of the Thread for the good thread. Doesn't mean I'm happy about it  <_<

[Snazzy Penguin]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

http://www.npr.org/t...oryId=128953596

before I go to bed, anyone interested in architecture needs to look at this.
I bet the quarians would feel like these are mansions.
I wonder what quarian homes looked like on Rannoch>
I hope we get to see in ME3
Keep it classy
*passes out*

Those look awesome.

Also, if Halestrom was any indicator, their homes probably look like a very rigid  style of archetecture. 

[cannedcream]

Phil725 wrote...

This is the assumption that everyone makes.  Where do we learn that children are taught to hate the geth?  Tali is the most extreme example, an admiral father who hates the geth, with a mom that died because of their position in life.  She's in the 99 percentile for geth hating reasons.

While they may not be taught to 'hate' the geth, it's still a part of their history and so it stands to reason that learn of it in school. And if I were to tell you that once we all used to live in this wonderful place that you'll never get to see because this group drove us out, wouldn't you start to hate that group even if you've never met them?
In fact, there would probably be that hate BECAUSE you've never met them.

[mikethor007]

Phil725 wrote...

Which is probably good, considering most interactions now seem to be negative.  I see a sudden boost with the reclamation of a homeworld, along with getting rid of the resource draining flotilla.  Will take time for relationships to heal completely, though eventually things will improve.

Hmmm...a galaxy without the odd quarian walking around? wouldn't be the same at all. Most likely, if they isolated themselves in that manner, the planet would be off limits to aliens.

[Collider]

That said, the current quarian opinion of the geth is obsolete. The heretics are dead. Tali saying she hopes the ship was full of geth bastards in ME1 doesn't mean anything to the situation at hand.

Replace "geth bastards" with another race and most people would think it's an ignorant and racist statement. The Geth who drove the Quarians away from the homeworld are the Geth, and they were also the True Geth. Even though some Quarians thought they brought it upon themselves, there's still the matter that the Quarians are currently suffering impoverished lives on the Flotilla. The Quarians who tried to shut down the Geth are no longer alive. So the Quarians have to be cursed with the consequences of actions that they themselves - their generation - had not actually done. That itself is going to breed some resentment.

Which is an ignorant view point that only the most close minded quarian will take.

Which many Quarians seem to be. Even though Legion had been peaceful and helped Shepard out, Tali still made it out that working with a Geth was a favor to Shepard, instead of something she'd normally do, despite Legion being allied.

This is the assumption that everyone makes. Where do we learn that children are taught to hate the geth? Tali is the most extreme example, an admiral father who hates the geth, with a mom that died because of their position in life. She's in the 99 percentile for geth hating reasons.

I believe it's somewhere in the game that children are taught to fear the Geth or dislike them. Not sure where exactly, but I don't think I'm pulling this out of thin air.

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I don't ever remember Shala giving her opinion on the geth.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Snazzy Penguin wrote...
Hmm....Quarian relations with the other species post reaper war?

I can see the Quarians being treated with less ire, if the Geth situation is resolved. However, most Quarians would probably go to Rannoch, in which case they are not going to be scattered across the galaxy as much - which would probably lessen the amount of interspecies relationships.

Which is probably good, considering most interactions now seem to be negative.  I see a sudden boost with the reclamation of a homeworld, along with getting rid of the resource draining flotilla.  Will take time for relationships to heal completely, though eventually things will improve.

Kind of makes me wonder what's in store for Shepard and Tali. Would they live on Rannoch? What if Rannoch isn't reclaimed? Does the player have a direct choice, similar to Dragon Age? What if the player wants their Shepard to stay in the Alliance and keep on fighting?

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

Snazzy Penguin wrote...
Hmm....Quarian relations with the other species post reaper war?

I can see the Quarians being treated with less ire, if the Geth situation is resolved. However, most Quarians would probably go to Rannoch, in which case they are not going to be scattered across the galaxy as much - which would probably lessen the amount of interspecies relationships.

Pfft. Fine. More quarians for me.

It'll take a long time, a VERY long time, but I like to think that the relations would improve, maybe even one day the quarians can have their embassy back as well.

[Phil725]

cannedcream wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

This is the assumption that everyone makes.  Where do we learn that children are taught to hate the geth?  Tali is the most extreme example, an admiral father who hates the geth, with a mom that died because of their position in life.  She's in the 99 percentile for geth hating reasons.

While they may not be taught to 'hate' the geth, it's still a part of their history and so it stands to reason that learn of it in school. And if I were to tell you that once we all used to live in this wonderful place that you'll never get to see because this group drove us out, wouldn't you start to hate that group even if you've never met them?
In fact, there would probably be that hate BECAUSE you've never met them.

You realize you made the same assumption that I said everyone makes in my post right?

I just don't see how we know that the 'who' is important to the quarians.  They know that they lost Rannoch because of the Morning War, and that they can't go back now until the geth are dealt with.  That alone is why the quarians are against the geth now.  Because they're standing in their way.  It isn't deep seeded hatred that will linger on for generations.  Its the necessity of now.  They need a home, and the geth are living in theirs.

What we think of the Morning War is a ****storm topic here, I imagine its quite the conversation among quarians.

[Kira Shepard]

FINALLY...Kira has come back to the tali thread!

[Snazzy Penguin]

mikethor007 wrote...

Hmmm...a galaxy without the odd quarian walking around? wouldn't be the same at all. Most likely, if they isolated themselves in that manner, the planet would be off limits to aliens.

Probably have the all out ban at first (with some exception for select personel), while their Immune systems adapted to the environment of the Planet. They would also probably ban, any exotic plantlife/animals to avoid any potential contamination on the enviroment.

[Phil725]

mikethor007 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Which is probably good, considering most interactions now seem to be negative.  I see a sudden boost with the reclamation of a homeworld, along with getting rid of the resource draining flotilla.  Will take time for relationships to heal completely, though eventually things will improve.

Hmmm...a galaxy without the odd quarian walking around? wouldn't be the same at all. Most likely, if they isolated themselves in that manner, the planet would be off limits to aliens.

They wouldn't be completely isolated.  Something like 95-99% of all aliens live on their homeworlds in the ME universe.  There is always a percentage that wanders.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

This is the assumption that everyone makes.  Where do we learn that children are taught to hate the geth?  Tali is the most extreme example, an admiral father who hates the geth, with a mom that died because of their position in life.  She's in the 99 percentile for geth hating reasons.

While they may not be taught to 'hate' the geth, it's still a part of their history and so it stands to reason that learn of it in school. And if I were to tell you that once we all used to live in this wonderful place that you'll never get to see because this group drove us out, wouldn't you start to hate that group even if you've never met them?
In fact, there would probably be that hate BECAUSE you've never met them.

You realize you made the same assumption that I said everyone makes in my post right?

I just don't see how we know that the 'who' is important to the quarians.  They know that they lost Rannoch because of the Morning War, and that they can't go back now until the geth are dealt with.  That alone is why the quarians are against the geth now.  Because they're standing in their way.  It isn't deep seeded hatred that will linger on for generations.  Its the necessity of now.  They need a home, and the geth are living in theirs.

This would be easier to believe if Tali did not have a thing against AI.