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[Water Dumple]

Collider wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

The Geth have not in fact overrun the homeworld; as the Legion says, the Geth stay in orbit to take resources from asteroids. They only keep several Geth platforms on the homeworld to care for the Quarian graves left from the Morning War. Furthermore, the non-Heretics state that they are open to peace if "new data was received that indicated peace is possible or desirable for creators". Remember that the Legion is the only non-Heretic platform sent beyond the Veil, and its programs "do not intend physical harm upon the creator-Quarians at this time".  So far, that makes a 100% approval rating for ceasefire from the regular Geth. It's the Quarians who need to take a risk and attempt communications with the Geth at the homeworld; the Legion notes that the Quarians have attacked 100% of the time when they thought they could win.

I'd have to disagree. It's up to the Geth to demonstrate to the Quarians that they are peaceful. Why? Because the Geth shoot down any foreign ship that enters their territory.. You cant negotiate peace if you're dead.

Where is this indicated? I've only seen this in reference to Heretics. According to the Legion, (admittedly only one side of the story), the Geth cannot solve for peace alone. It indicates that the Geth are fully prepared for peace if the Quarians motion for it. But you only need several minutes onboard the Quarian liveship to see that the Quarians have no such intentions, save Korris.

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Modifié par Water Dumple, 06 août 2010 - 06:55 .

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...
*snip*
...except for the fact that they had nearly exterminated your race and were the biggest part of the reason why the mess had even started in the first place.

It seems we're going in complete circles here.  My entire point is that people assume the quarians blame the geth for slaughtering their people, and I see no evidence for it in game. 

May just have to leave it up to agree to disagree, but quarian hatred of the geth based on cause of the Morning War is not a canon emotion.  Its popular fan opinion.

That seems fair. Good discussion.

[RedTracer7]

 

I have actually finished a Chapter!

Chapter 4 is Now Up!

From the Author of "A Creed Unhinged" comes a softer look at Quarian society, their envirosuits, and the relationship between Commander Shepard and Tali'Zorah. This work explores a simple question: Just how much of a burden are those envirosuits?

[cannedcream]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...Coming from you, the wishing for a happy ending really does mean something.
Hear this bioware? Write it.

Hey now, I'm not anti-happiness.
I nearly cried like a baby at the end of Wall-E.
I love happy endings. . . I'm just not that great at writing them. . .

But, thank you, Rune.

[Phil725]

Water Dumple wrote...
*snip*

The Geth have not in fact overrun the homeworld; as the Legion says, the Geth stay in orbit to take resources from asteroids. They only keep several Geth platforms on the homeworld to care for the Quarian graves left from the Morning War. Furthermore, the non-Heretics state that they are open to peace if "new data was received that indicated peace is possible or desirable for creators". Remember that the Legion is the only non-Heretic platform sent beyond the Veil, and its programs "do not intend physical harm upon the creator-Quarians at this time".  So far, that makes a 100% approval rating for ceasefire from the regular Geth. It's the Quarians who need to take a risk and attempt communications with the Geth at the homeworld; the Legion notes that the Quarians have attacked 100% of the time when they thought they could win.

Of course, most Quarians are completely conditioned to believe that all Geth are like the heretics, even after the Legion helps retake the Alarei for them. Korris is one of the only authoritative figures who thinks otherwise.

This is pretty much why I believe that ME3 will consist of breaking the initial distrust, a la the Tali/Legion confrontation.  The geth are a done deal, peace is a go if the quarians accept, and they have every reason to.

[Megumeru]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

cannedcream wrote...
Is it so wrong, after all the crap Shepard has been through, to want to see him have a happy ending?

It's been a long path to walk only to find it it's all lose/lose.

Coming from you, the wishing for a happy ending really does mean something.
Hear this bioware? Write it.

I know, but seeing how it goes a 'happy ending' has a chance to 'off' the entire ME feel (unless beautifully executed)

I want to see a happy ending for Shepard and Tali in ME3, but sometimes it is all too good to be true. What I don't want to see, but is expecting, is him sacrificing his life in hopes for a better tomorrow--your LI joins you or leave, is your given decision. I don't want that to happen, but its in my 'what-to-expect' list.

[Snazzy Penguin]

RedTracer7 wrote...


I have actually finished a Chapter!

Chapter 4 is Now Up!

From the Author of "A Creed Unhinged" comes a softer look at Quarian society, their envirosuits, and the relationship between Commander Shepard and Tali'Zorah. This work explores a simple question: Just how much of a burden are those envirosuits?

/hi5 *runs off to read*

[Kira Shepard]

Collider wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

Happy ending?

I find that option to be rather out of reach...
The best ending I can thought of is Shepard sacrificing himself (and maybe his crew) to save the galaxy, and that is something I pray Bioware doesn't pull

Is it so wrong, after all the crap Shepard has been through, to want to see him have a happy ending?

It's been a long path to walk only to find it it's all lose/lose.

I agree - having Shepard invariably sacrifice himself is just lame. I can understand something like that if it happened in another[/i] game, that wasn't[/i] a trilogy. Shepard dying at the end is kind of like Luke or Han Solo dying at the end of Star Wars. I'd go "why the **** did I watch these movies/play these games?"

Granted a near death thing like ME1 would be kind of great.
Everyone's all:
and shep just sort of walks in the room holding his arm open and makes some witty one liner along the lines of "Wow I take a nap and everyone's already making funeral arrangements. So much for confidence in you commanding officer."

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...
*snip*

The Geth have not in fact overrun the homeworld; as the Legion says, the Geth stay in orbit to take resources from asteroids. They only keep several Geth platforms on the homeworld to care for the Quarian graves left from the Morning War. Furthermore, the non-Heretics state that they are open to peace if "new data was received that indicated peace is possible or desirable for creators". Remember that the Legion is the only non-Heretic platform sent beyond the Veil, and its programs "do not intend physical harm upon the creator-Quarians at this time".  So far, that makes a 100% approval rating for ceasefire from the regular Geth. It's the Quarians who need to take a risk and attempt communications with the Geth at the homeworld; the Legion notes that the Quarians have attacked 100% of the time when they thought they could win.

Of course, most Quarians are completely conditioned to believe that all Geth are like the heretics, even after the Legion helps retake the Alarei for them. Korris is one of the only authoritative figures who thinks otherwise.

This is pretty much why I believe that ME3 will consist of breaking the initial distrust, a la the Tali/Legion confrontation.  The geth are a done deal, peace is a go if the quarians accept, and they have every reason to.

Most certainly, the second game (and to a lesser extent, the first) foreshadowed Quarian-Geth peace heavily. I expect at the very least the possibility of the Quarians being steered towards peace. I don't expect that Rannoch will get retaken and we'll get to see it, and I'm glad I don't because I'd just be setting myself up for very possible disappointment.

[Water Dumple]

Phil725 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...
*snip*

The Geth have not in fact overrun the homeworld; as the Legion says, the Geth stay in orbit to take resources from asteroids. They only keep several Geth platforms on the homeworld to care for the Quarian graves left from the Morning War. Furthermore, the non-Heretics state that they are open to peace if "new data was received that indicated peace is possible or desirable for creators". Remember that the Legion is the only non-Heretic platform sent beyond the Veil, and its programs "do not intend physical harm upon the creator-Quarians at this time".  So far, that makes a 100% approval rating for ceasefire from the regular Geth. It's the Quarians who need to take a risk and attempt communications with the Geth at the homeworld; the Legion notes that the Quarians have attacked 100% of the time when they thought they could win.

Of course, most Quarians are completely conditioned to believe that all Geth are like the heretics, even after the Legion helps retake the Alarei for them. Korris is one of the only authoritative figures who thinks otherwise.

This is pretty much why I believe that ME3 will consist of breaking the initial distrust, a la the Tali/Legion confrontation.  The geth are a done deal, peace is a go if the quarians accept, and they have every reason to.

I really hope this is included in ME3, and can have several outcomes. They could just say the Quarians and Geth are still fighting and leave it at that, but it would be way better if you could resolve the issue, either by taking a side so one team wins or making peace for both.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

For one thing, having paragon or renegade points as prerequisites for charm/intimidate is stupid. Sometimes I want to tell Jack that she shouldn't kill Aresh, it's not worth it. Sometimes I want to tell the Admiralty Board they can go **** themselves, and to leave Tali out of their politics. However, I often cannot use charm or intimidate, even when I believe it's in character for my Shepard, because I was not "paragon" or "renegade" enough. Ideally, ME3 should have a system like Dragon Age, or at least ME1.

Ah I see.

You know, it would be nice to always have the P or R options OPEN, but have them as percentages. Where as, if you have enough experience using Charm, than your chances for it working go up.

Kinda like what Fallout 3 did. The option is always there, it just might not always work.

[Megumeru]

RedTracer7 wrote...

 

I have actually finished a Chapter!

Chapter 4 is Now Up!

From the Author of "A Creed Unhinged" comes a softer look at Quarian society, their envirosuits, and the relationship between Commander Shepard and Tali'Zorah. This work explores a simple question: Just how much of a burden are those envirosuits?

The shin-bolt story! Along with the needles and the injections...the wound marks...yeah.

FINALLY
*runs to read*

[Phil725]

cannedcream wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
Honestly?  I have no idea, I'm just trying to type really fast to keep up

I'd assume its the extent of hate argument, and whether or not it will actually obstruct peace or not.

Do we. . . do we hug it out? 

Anyway, in short; CC wants peace. As much as he loves the quarians he believes that they were wrong, however these were the sins of the fathers and the time has come to stop the children from paying for them. The winds of change are'a blowin'.

Agreed.   My only hug picture is the adorable tiptoe hug picture, and that doesnt seem relevant, so heres this

[RedTracer7]

[quote]Water Dumple wrote...

The Geth have not in fact overrun the homeworld; as the Legion says, the Geth stay in orbit to take resources from asteroids. They only keep several Geth platforms on the homeworld to care for the Quarian graves left from the Morning War. Furthermore, the non-Heretics state that they are open to peace if "new data was received that indicated peace is possible or desirable for creators". Remember that the Legion is the only non-Heretic platform sent beyond the Veil, and its programs "do not intend physical harm upon the creator-Quarians at this time".  So far, that makes a 100% approval rating for ceasefire from the regular Geth. It's the Quarians who need to take a risk and attempt communications with the Geth at the homeworld; the Legion notes that the Quarians have attacked 100% of the time when they thought they could win.[/quote]
I'd have to disagree. It's up to the Geth to demonstrate to the Quarians that they are peaceful. Why? Because the Geth shoot down any foreign ship that enters their territory.. You cant negotiate peace if you're dead.
[/quote]


I've always found Legion's "quarians have attacked 100% of the time they thought they could win" comment a rather poor... argument.

They only fought during the Morning War.  Sure 1/1=100%, but thats not really saying anything.

It would be like me saying that nuking a country always turns it into a thriving democracy.  Sure, technically its true... but that doesn't make it mean anything.

[Collider]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...

For one thing, having paragon or renegade points as prerequisites for charm/intimidate is stupid. Sometimes I want to tell Jack that she shouldn't kill Aresh, it's not worth it. Sometimes I want to tell the Admiralty Board they can go **** themselves, and to leave Tali out of their politics. However, I often cannot use charm or intimidate, even when I believe it's in character for my Shepard, because I was not "paragon" or "renegade" enough. Ideally, ME3 should have a system like Dragon Age, or at least ME1.

Ah I see.

You know, it would be nice to always have the P or R options OPEN, but have them as percentages. Where as, if you have enough experience using Charm, than your chances for it working go up.

Kinda like what Fallout 3 did. The option is always there, it just might not always work.

No, I still disagree with that. Make it like Dragon Age. I put points into persuasion. Then I get to choose whether I want to be paragon or renegade. Having morality points be prerequisities for charm or intimidate is arbitrary and restricts roleplaying.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

Happy ending?

I find that option to be rather out of reach...
The best ending I can thought of is Shepard sacrificing himself (and maybe his crew) to save the galaxy, and that is something I pray Bioware doesn't pull

Is it so wrong, after all the crap Shepard has been through, to want to see him have a happy ending?

It's been a long path to walk only to find it it's all lose/lose.

I agree - having Shepard invariably sacrifice himself is just lame. I can understand something like that if it happened in another game, that wasn't a trilogy. Shepard dying at the end is kind of like Luke or Han Solo dying at the end of Star Wars. I'd go "why the **** did I watch these movies/play these games?"

Totally agreed.  Though I'd also like to add the "how are you going to make money on expansions now Bioware?"  Card

[RedTracer7]

Megumeru wrote...


The shin-bolt story! Along with the needles and the injections...the wound marks...yeah.

FINALLY
*runs to read*

I am fully willing to beat a review out of you... so please leave one either on the Blog I have, or over on FF.net.

Thanks!

[Collider]

mrsph wrote...

Tali mentions on her loyalty mission that one of the reason's the quarians have never tried to take back the homeworld is because "some of us feel sorry for the geth"

She also says it in the most disgusted tone possible. God, I love Sroka.

I suppose that would fit in with what Phil was saying (although, does establish Tali as annoyed at the Geth sympathizers, yay). Tali's voice actress is great. Definitely did a great job.

[Kira Shepard]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Megumeru wrote...


The shin-bolt story! Along with the needles and the injections...the wound marks...yeah.

FINALLY
*runs to read*

I am fully willing to beat a review out of you... so please leave one either on the Blog I have, or over on FF.net.

Thanks!

Not bad work Red. I like how you made the ending the exact same but this time with a much lighter tone

[Collider]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

I have faith in BioWare to not end what is in my opinion the greatest trilogy series in a cliche 'hero gives up his life to save everyone' ending. Call me optimistic.

Yea - it's cliched as hell. And unoriginal. I mean, Shepard's already being compared to Jesus, and several people have pointed out parallels to the Bible. I am not going to surprised an iota if Shepard has to die at the end. Disappointed, but not surprised.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

Happy ending?

I find that option to be rather out of reach...
The best ending I can thought of is Shepard sacrificing himself (and maybe his crew) to save the galaxy, and that is something I pray Bioware doesn't pull

Is it so wrong, after all the crap Shepard has been through, to want to see him have a happy ending?

It's been a long path to walk only to find it it's all lose/lose.

I agree - having Shepard invariably sacrifice himself is just lame. I can understand something like that if it happened in another game, that wasn't a trilogy. Shepard dying at the end is kind of like Luke or Han Solo dying at the end of Star Wars. I'd go "why the **** did I watch these movies/play these games?"

Totally agreed.  Though I'd also like to add the "how are you going to make money on expansions now Bioware?"  Card

Don't even know if they'll go that route. I don't really expect Shepard's tale to continue after ME3 in any capacity. Which may be a good thing really. Maybe.

[RedTracer7]

Kira Shepard wrote...

Not bad work Red. I like how you made the ending the exact same but this time with a much lighter tone

You are a fast reader.

As to the final line... yep, all four chapters have ended on roughly the same note.  Each with a lessening degree of sadness.

It's almost happy now.