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[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

No, I still disagree with that. Make it like Dragon Age. I put points into persuasion. Then I get to choose whether I want to be paragon or renegade. Having morality points be prerequisities for charm or intimidate is arbitrary and restricts roleplaying.

See, I hated having to put points into Charm and Intimidate. It felt like a waste, especially near the end when I wasn't getting 3 point or 2, but only 1 per level.

[Collider]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

I have faith in BioWare to not end what is in my opinion the greatest trilogy series in a cliche 'hero gives up his life to save everyone' ending. Call me optimistic.

Yea - it's cliched as hell. And unoriginal. I mean, Shepard's already being compared to Jesus, and several people have pointed out parallels to the Bible. I am not going to surprised an iota if Shepard has to die at the end. Disappointed, but not surprised.

He's already died and been brought back to life. What would be left? Revelation? LOL good luck writing a game on that.

I really hope Mass Effect isn't just some huge homage to the Bible. Bioware has to be more creative than that.

[Kira Shepard]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...

Not bad work Red. I like how you made the ending the exact same but this time with a much lighter tone

You are a fast reader.

As to the final line... yep, all four chapters have ended on roughly the same note.  Each with a lessening degree of sadness.

It's almost happy now.[/i] 

It was.
I enjoyed it.
Now go write something light hearted and funny.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Tali mentions on her loyalty mission that one of the reason's the quarians have never tried to take back the homeworld is because "some of us feel sorry for the geth"

She also says it in the most disgusted tone possible. God, I love Sroka.

I suppose that would fit in with what Phil was saying (although, does establish Tali as annoyed at the Geth sympathizers, yay). Tali's voice actress is great. Definitely did a great job.

I do think part of the reason the prevailing opinion is opposite of my view is that it seems to be Tali's.  Since she gives us most of our knowledge, the message can be warped.

[Collider]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...

No, I still disagree with that. Make it like Dragon Age. I put points into persuasion. Then I get to choose whether I want to be paragon or renegade. Having morality points be prerequisities for charm or intimidate is arbitrary and restricts roleplaying.

See, I hated having to put points into Charm and Intimidate. It felt like a waste, especially near the end when I wasn't getting 3 point or 2, but only 1 per level.

Maybe you'd feel the same way I do if you were playing Tali's loyalty mission and you had both persuasion options greyed out. Because of possibly the stupidest reasons.

[cannedcream]

Phil725 wrote...

Totally agreed.  Though I'd also like to add the "how are you going to make money on expansions now Bioware?"  Card

Phil wins by tracing the problem back to the dollar sign.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Tali mentions on her loyalty mission that one of the reason's the quarians have never tried to take back the homeworld is because "some of us feel sorry for the geth"

She also says it in the most disgusted tone possible. God, I love Sroka.

I suppose that would fit in with what Phil was saying (although, does establish Tali as annoyed at the Geth sympathizers, yay). Tali's voice actress is great. Definitely did a great job.

I do think part of the reason the prevailing opinion is opposite of my view is that it seems to be Tali's.  Since she gives us most of our knowledge, the message can be warped.

Probably. She was the only Quarian in ME1. And her account of the Quarians there was still from her perspective.

[Water Dumple]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...

The Geth have not in fact overrun the homeworld; as the Legion says, the Geth stay in orbit to take resources from asteroids. They only keep several Geth platforms on the homeworld to care for the Quarian graves left from the Morning War. Furthermore, the non-Heretics state that they are open to peace if "new data was received that indicated peace is possible or desirable for creators". Remember that the Legion is the only non-Heretic platform sent beyond the Veil, and its programs "do not intend physical harm upon the creator-Quarians at this time".  So far, that makes a 100% approval rating for ceasefire from the regular Geth. It's the Quarians who need to take a risk and attempt communications with the Geth at the homeworld; the Legion notes that the Quarians have attacked 100% of the time when they thought they could win.

I'd have to disagree. It's up to the Geth to demonstrate to the Quarians that they are peaceful. Why? Because the Geth shoot down any foreign ship that enters their territory.. You cant negotiate peace if you're dead.

I've always found Legion's "quarians have attacked 100% of the time they thought they could win" comment a rather poor... argument.

They only fought during the Morning War.  Sure 1/1=100%, but thats not really saying anything.

It would be like me saying that nuking a country always turns it into a thriving democracy.  Sure, technically its true... but that doesn't make it mean anything.

Presumably, the Legion is referring to Quarian attacks on heretics since then. Since the Quarians do not distinguish between Heretics and Geth, it's effectively the same thing. And if there actually haven't been any conflicts since the Morning War, it's the Quarians who are suffering from their lack of action, not the Geth. Their race is consistently dying, but they could have a great shot at halting or even reversing that path if they just took a risk and attempted diplomacy somewhere in the last three centuries. The Geth already have what they need; they have no logically productive reason to attempt peace, because they're still making progress, growing in number, and achieving goals. The Quarians, not so much.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 06 août 2010 - 07:09 .

[RedTracer7]

Kira Shepard wrote...
It was.
I enjoyed it.
Now go write something light hearted and funny.

Yeah... not sure if I could physically write something funny.  I just can't get humor to come across well.

Although explaining Shepard's 'NSA' will be a fun scene. 

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

Totally agreed.  Though I'd also like to add the "how are you going to make money on expansions now Bioware?"  Card

Don't even know if they'll go that route. I don't really expect Shepard's tale to continue after ME3 in any capacity. Which may be a good thing really. Maybe.

I'm never one to question an easy money grab from a big corporation

[RedTracer7]

cannedcream wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Totally agreed.  Though I'd also like to add the "how are you going to make money on expansions now Bioware?"  Card

Phil wins by tracing the problem back to the dollar sign.

Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

Maybe you'd feel the same way I do if you were playing Tali's loyalty mission and you had both persuasion options greyed out. Because of possibly the stupidest reasons.

I suppose.

I guess it's because we play differently that we have different opinions.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Phil725 wrote...
*snip*

Totally agreed.  Though I'd also like to add the "how are you going to make money on expansions now Bioware?"  Card

Don't even know if they'll go that route. I don't really expect Shepard's tale to continue after ME3 in any capacity. Which may be a good thing really. Maybe.

I'm never one to question an easy money grab from a big corporation

Fair enough. Hate to say it, but I wouldn't doubt EA is going to affect what Bioware is going to do. If current DLC is any indication.

[Kira Shepard]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Kira Shepard wrote...
It was.
I enjoyed it.
Now go write something light hearted and funny.

Yeah... not sure if I could physically write something funny.  I just can't get humor to come across well.

Although explaining Shepard's 'NSA' will be a fun scene. 

Oh I'm sure.
Of you could do something so out ther and off the wall and at the same time very awesome that it wouldn't MATTER if it made sense.

[cannedcream]

RedTracer7 wrote...


Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit.

HE'S SPEAKING IN TONGUES!
THE ROBOT DEVIL IS POSSESSED BY THE NORMAL DEVIL!

[Collider]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...

Maybe you'd feel the same way I do if you were playing Tali's loyalty mission and you had both persuasion options greyed out. Because of possibly the stupidest reasons.

I suppose.

I guess it's because we play differently that we have different opinions.

I don't like being shoehorned into playing Saint Shepard or Jerkass Shepard. I like playing in-between. Paragade.

[Phil725]

mrsph wrote...
*snip*

I think one of the main problems with the quarian government is that they are simply just too split down the middle that they will never get anything done. When you have one party wanting to find a new homeworld, one wanting to take it back, and another wanting to stay on the Migrant Fleet it is just impossible to make decisions.

I would actually argue that while that's bad, it will eventually be what saves them.  If they had 3 admirals who wanted to impale themselves on the geth and die in a fiery cloud 50 years ago, we wouldn't be having this conversation.  The options now are all bad, and everyone will continue pulling their own way until a better option is presented.

[RedTracer7]

cannedcream wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...


Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit.

HE'S SPEAKING IN TONGUES!
THE ROBOT DEVIL IS POSSESSED BY THE NORMAL DEVIL!

How deliciously evil....


((That latin phrase has been in my signature for over a month. ))

[Collider]

I don't think the Quarians even know what they want. They all want a place to live on, and most of them want Rannoch (presumably), but they're conflicted on how. Even the war effort seems to be some sensationalist bullcrap.

[Water Dumple]

Collider wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...

Maybe you'd feel the same way I do if you were playing Tali's loyalty mission and you had both persuasion options greyed out. Because of possibly the stupidest reasons.

I suppose.

I guess it's because we play differently that we have different opinions.

I don't like being shoehorned into playing Saint Shepard or Jerkass Shepard. I like playing in-between. Paragade.

It's still better than Bioshock. That game practically gives you the options of Jesus Christ or Adolf Hitler.

[RedTracer7]

Kira Shepard wrote...

Oh I'm sure.
Of you could do something so out ther and off the wall and at the same time very awesome that it wouldn't MATTER if it made sense.

Well, I've found that if you ask a question in the very last line of your "comments" on the bottom of a story, many people try to answer it in their reviews.

I'm just wondering if anyone will even guess what NSA stands for.

[Collider]

Water Dumple wrote...

Collider wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...

Maybe you'd feel the same way I do if you were playing Tali's loyalty mission and you had both persuasion options greyed out. Because of possibly the stupidest reasons.

I suppose.

I guess it's because we play differently that we have different opinions.

I don't like being shoehorned into playing Saint Shepard or Jerkass Shepard. I like playing in-between. Paragade.

It's still better than Bioshock. That game practically gives you the options of Jesus Christ or Adolf Hitler.

Yea. I played that game because of the supposed moral choices..."no two people will play the same..." Sure. The choices were literally, save the baby or eat the baby. Very deep there. Wonder what I'm going to pick.

[RedTracer7]

Water Dumple wrote...

It's still better than Bioshock. That game practically gives you the options of Jesus Christ or Adolf Hitler.

Well, that games different.  In the first one, your actions regarding Ryan (trying not to drop spoilers) corrupt any chance you had of being a "Paragon".  Plus, morality choices don't effect Bioshock.  

In Mass Effect, your choices have a profound impact on how the game plays.