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[Collider]

The Geth shouldn't have taken so long.

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Modifié par Collider, 06 août 2010 - 07:43 .

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...
*snip*
There's virtually nothing that would convince me that the Quarians should have a council seat (within the frame of time that ME3 will likely take place in). The Salarians, Turians, and Asari have an exponentially larger foothold in the galaxy (well, actually, the Quarians have basically none) and a lot more experience. I am all for the Quarians getting representation on the Citadel, though.

I'm not convinced that the council, as constructed now is the ideal governing system for the galaxy, that's all.  I will have to reevaluate the opinion after ME3 though, so I haven't put any thought into it really.

[Megumeru]

And now for the review! Still there, red?



The chapter is surprisingly sweet, heartwarming, and 'clicks' with the rest of the series. The emotion displayed by Shepard as he come to grip to the feeling behind the suit, the fact that he is crying for missing it is a nice touch.



The quarian guard captain made me fume. If it was a scene in ME, I'd go for the renegade response and beat the crap out of him. Han'Gerrel's potrayal was lovely, friendly and understanding as he was back in the fleet days.



And NSA? I'm beginning to run my throughts on VGQ and that suit-enhancement...thing. I see some dirty things coming ^^

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

The Geth shouldn't have taken so long.

Yeah, their idea of seclusion was good, but they took the wrong path.

[Collider]

Not that I'm too worried. Too much foreshadowing towards peace for some kind of movement towards peace not to occur in ME3. But the subject of foreshadowing brings me to the possibly unfortunate case that I also believe that Tali becoming an admiral was foreshadowed.

[uhdnrt]

Collider wrote...

There's virtually nothing that would convince me that the Quarians should have a council seat (within the frame of time that ME3 will likely take place in). The Salarians, Turians, and Asari have an exponentially larger foothold in the galaxy (well, actually, the Quarians have basically none) and a lot more experience. I am all for the Quarians getting representation on the Citadel, though.

If you get the option of uniting the races of the galaxy under the Citadel, it should Ideally get set up more similar to the league of Nations - every race gets a vote, but the council races votes count as more.  If all of the existing races got united, I'd like to see it as so, based on relative strength an as a help for galactic harmony:

Council Races: asari, batarians, salarians, turians (2 votes each)
Secondary Races: drell, elcor, geth, hanar, human, krogan, quarian, volus (1 vote each)

Yes, humanity would end up "demoted". Why? For galactic unity. Batarians, from what I understand, are one of the most powerful races, and the driving force of the Terminus systems. I would like to see humanity step down, willingly, so that they non-council races can actually influence galactic politics. Based on my (incredibly simplistic numbers), the Council races can not, in this set up, simply outvote the rest of the galaxy.

It would also allay many of the worries most of the races have that humans are starting to take over the galaxy.

[RedTracer7]

Megumeru wrote...

And now for the review! Still there, red?

The chapter is surprisingly sweet, heartwarming, and 'clicks' with the rest of the series. The emotion displayed by Shepard as he come to grip to the feeling behind the suit, the fact that he is crying for missing it is a nice touch.

The quarian guard captain made me fume. If it was a scene in ME, I'd go for the renegade response and beat the crap out of him. Han'Gerrel's potrayal was lovely, friendly and understanding as he was back in the fleet days.

And NSA? I'm beginning to run my throughts on VGQ and that suit-enhancement...thing. I see some dirty things coming ^^

Still here.  Thanks for the review!

I'm glad you found it clicks, as the chapter is more "event driven" instead of "technologically driven" than the other entries.  

As to Ran'Warren... yep.  He's an ass.  Kinda figured it was time an annoyingly 'bad' character was quarian.

No comment on NSA.    Although I will say that... Shepard's got a REAL surprise coming... 

[Collider]

uhdnrt wrote...

Collider wrote...

There's virtually nothing that would convince me that the Quarians should have a council seat (within the frame of time that ME3 will likely take place in). The Salarians, Turians, and Asari have an exponentially larger foothold in the galaxy (well, actually, the Quarians have basically none) and a lot more experience. I am all for the Quarians getting representation on the Citadel, though.

If you get the option of uniting the races of the galaxy under the Citadel, it should Ideally get set up more similar to the league of Nations - every race gets a vote, but the council races votes count as more.  If all of the existing races got united, I'd like to see it as so, based on relative strength an as a help for galactic harmony:

Council Races: asari, batarians, salarians, turians (2 votes each)
Secondary Races: drell, elcor, geth, hanar, human, krogan, quarian, volus (1 vote each)

Yes, humanity would end up "demoted". Why? For galactic unity. Batarians, from what I understand, are one of the most powerful races, and the driving force of the Terminus systems. I would like to see humanity step down, willingly, so that they non-council races can actually influence galactic politics. Based on my (incredibly simplistic numbers), the Council races can not, in this set up, simply outvote the rest of the galaxy.

It would also allay many of the worries most of the races have that humans are starting to take over the galaxy.

Sounds good. I also support humanity being secondary. They've only just gotten their feet wet in the galaxy.

[Megumeru]

RedTracer7 wrote...

Megumeru wrote...

And now for the review! Still there, red?

The chapter is surprisingly sweet, heartwarming, and 'clicks' with the rest of the series. The emotion displayed by Shepard as he come to grip to the feeling behind the suit, the fact that he is crying for missing it is a nice touch.

The quarian guard captain made me fume. If it was a scene in ME, I'd go for the renegade response and beat the crap out of him. Han'Gerrel's potrayal was lovely, friendly and understanding as he was back in the fleet days.

And NSA? I'm beginning to run my throughts on VGQ and that suit-enhancement...thing. I see some dirty things coming ^^

Still here.  Thanks for the review!

I'm glad you found it clicks, as the chapter is more "event driven" instead of "technologically driven" than the other entries.  

As to Ran'Warren... yep.  He's an ass.  Kinda figured it was time an annoyingly 'bad' character was quarian.

No comment on NSA.    Although I will say that... Shepard's got a REAL surprise coming... 

I especially love the nice touches at the end that links the entire series together. Most memorable line in the entire story:

Damn these suit
Damn that suit
Damn these suit
Damn that suit

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

Not that I'm too worried. Too much foreshadowing towards peace for some kind of movement towards peace not to occur in ME3. But the subject of foreshadowing brings me to the possibly unfortunate case that I also believe that Tali becoming an admiral was foreshadowed.

*sigh*
Trying to prepare myself for such an event.
I don't want it to happen, but. . .

I LOVES YA, TALI! DON'T LEAVE ME! :crying:

I mean, Shepard. 'Don't leave Shepard'. Right. Yeah.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

Not that I'm too worried. Too much foreshadowing towards peace for some kind of movement towards peace not to occur in ME3. But the subject of foreshadowing brings me to the possibly unfortunate case that I also believe that Tali becoming an admiral was foreshadowed.

I actually thought that Tali being mentioned as a possible admiral candidate was more of Tali stressing that everyone's name is being brought up, and nothing more.  Like a random running for president.  I don't see how she has the experience, prestige, or guaranteed non-exiled status to be elected.

That said, I don't even seeing her accepting the position on top of all that.  She can do more for the galaxy/her people on the Normandy, and she knows it.

[cannedcream]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

I have learned seclusion is rarely ever an acceptable answer.
Anyhow, off to sleep. Keelah se'lai.

Keelah se'lai, Rune.

Keep the bugs off your glass and the bears off your. . .tail.

[Phil725]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Phil725 wrote...

Yeah, their idea of seclusion was good, but they took the wrong path.

I have learned seclusion is rarely ever an acceptable answer.
Anyhow, off to sleep. Keelah se'lai.

For the geth its probably not a terrible idea, though it could lead to possible problems down the road.  They have no desire to be involved in organic politics, they just want left alone.  However, the best way to be left alone is not complete silence while someone who looks like you gives you a bad name.  Keelah se'lai Rune.

[Collider]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Not that I'm too worried. Too much foreshadowing towards peace for some kind of movement towards peace not to occur in ME3. But the subject of foreshadowing brings me to the possibly unfortunate case that I also believe that Tali becoming an admiral was foreshadowed.

I actually thought that Tali being mentioned as a possible admiral candidate was more of Tali stressing that everyone's name is being brought up, and nothing more.  Like a random running for president.  I don't see how she has the experience, prestige, or guaranteed non-exiled status to be elected.

That said, I don't even seeing her accepting the position on top of all that.  She can do more for the galaxy/her people on the Normandy, and she knows it.

Oh, I agree that she does not really have the credentials to be an Admiral. She does not have experience leading ships and she doesn't to have leadership skills (so far as what happened with Prazza indicated, anyway). She'd be more like an icon than anything else.

However, I saw this as foreshadowing because it's said by her more than once. And her rising recognition amongst the Fleet. And her rising importance. It's kind of like Chekhov's gun - you don't say there's a gun hanging on the wall if nothing arises from it.

[uhdnrt]

Phil725 wrote...

Collider wrote...

Not that I'm too worried. Too much foreshadowing towards peace for some kind of movement towards peace not to occur in ME3. But the subject of foreshadowing brings me to the possibly unfortunate case that I also believe that Tali becoming an admiral was foreshadowed.

I actually thought that Tali being mentioned as a possible admiral candidate was more of Tali stressing that everyone's name is being brought up, and nothing more.  Like a random running for president.  I don't see how she has the experience, prestige, or guaranteed non-exiled status to be elected.

That said, I don't even seeing her accepting the position on top of all that.  She can do more for the galaxy/her people on the Normandy, and she knows it.

Actually, I could see one of the ME3 options is to have Tali made admiral, then have the admiralty board take the decision from the council and make peace with the geth.  Then step down, once the decision has been made and cannot be unmade.

Shortest Admiralty Ever.

[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

Collider wrote...

There's virtually nothing that would convince me that the Quarians should have a council seat (within the frame of time that ME3 will likely take place in). The Salarians, Turians, and Asari have an exponentially larger foothold in the galaxy (well, actually, the Quarians have basically none) and a lot more experience. I am all for the Quarians getting representation on the Citadel, though.

If you get the option of uniting the races of the galaxy under the Citadel, it should Ideally get set up more similar to the league of Nations - every race gets a vote, but the council races votes count as more.  If all of the existing races got united, I'd like to see it as so, based on relative strength an as a help for galactic harmony:

Council Races: asari, batarians, salarians, turians (2 votes each)
Secondary Races: drell, elcor, geth, hanar, human, krogan, quarian, volus (1 vote each)

Yes, humanity would end up "demoted". Why? For galactic unity. Batarians, from what I understand, are one of the most powerful races, and the driving force of the Terminus systems. I would like to see humanity step down, willingly, so that they non-council races can actually influence galactic politics. Based on my (incredibly simplistic numbers), the Council races can not, in this set up, simply outvote the rest of the galaxy.

It would also allay many of the worries most of the races have that humans are starting to take over the galaxy.

Sounds good. I also support humanity being secondary. They've only just gotten their feet wet in the galaxy.

I like the use of alphabetical ordering. :happy:

[RedTracer7]

Megumeru wrote...

I especially love the nice touches at the end that links the entire series together. Most memorable line in the entire story:

Damn these suit
Damn that suit
Damn these suit
Damn that suit

Delicious, delicious repetition.  Your spot on when you say it "links the entire series together".  

Needed some way to link em up, as the entire storyline spans 6ish years...

[uhdnrt]

Collider wrote...
Sounds good. I also support humanity being secondary. They've only just gotten their feet wet in the galaxy.

Agreed.  Honestly, I am surprised certain Cerberus lackeys haven't jumped on this in outrage.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...
*snip*
Oh, I agree that she does not really have the credentials to be an Admiral. She does not have experience leading ships and she doesn't to have leadership skills (so far as what happened with Prazza indicated, anyway). She'd be more like an icon than anything else.

However, I saw this as foreshadowing because it's said by her more than once. And her rising recognition amongst the Fleet. And her rising importance. It's kind of like Chekhov's gun - you don't say there's a gun hanging on the wall if nothing arises from it.

I thought the mention of her rising status was supposed to contrast with the crap that gets thrown at her in trial personally.  Maybe make it seem that no one is above the fleet, or maybe just that the flotilla is willing to turn on any of their people at a drop of a hat.  I'd have to hear all the lines again, along with time when they occur, but I always saw the intent of the messages to be felt in the game, not the future.

[Collider]

mrsph wrote...

If Tali does become an Admiral there is still the chance she will convince the others to overrule a choice the Conclave is making (and then she has to step down)

Interesting.

[uhdnrt]

cannedcream wrote...
I like the use of alphabetical ordering. :happy:

Thanks.  Also made it easier to show that there is no real bias on who was placed where.  Unity, and all that, with politics having less of an impact. 

[Megumeru]

Collider wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

Collider wrote...

There's virtually nothing that would convince me that the Quarians should have a council seat (within the frame of time that ME3 will likely take place in). The Salarians, Turians, and Asari have an exponentially larger foothold in the galaxy (well, actually, the Quarians have basically none) and a lot more experience. I am all for the Quarians getting representation on the Citadel, though.

If you get the option of uniting the races of the galaxy under the Citadel, it should Ideally get set up more similar to the league of Nations - every race gets a vote, but the council races votes count as more.  If all of the existing races got united, I'd like to see it as so, based on relative strength an as a help for galactic harmony:

Council Races: asari, batarians, salarians, turians (2 votes each)
Secondary Races: drell, elcor, geth, hanar, human, krogan, quarian, volus (1 vote each)

Yes, humanity would end up "demoted". Why? For galactic unity. Batarians, from what I understand, are one of the most powerful races, and the driving force of the Terminus systems. I would like to see humanity step down, willingly, so that they non-council races can actually influence galactic politics. Based on my (incredibly simplistic numbers), the Council races can not, in this set up, simply outvote the rest of the galaxy.

It would also allay many of the worries most of the races have that humans are starting to take over the galaxy.

Sounds good. I also support humanity being secondary. They've only just gotten their feet wet in the galaxy.

Humanity's position in the Council in 2183 technically made them as part of 'council races'. Despite the rest of the Galaxy disagreeing with them, one way or another they would have to swallow it hard and bitter. Batarians left the council races after the struggle for the Skyllian Verge, and ends up reclusive--they're pretty much secondary races

Would the Alliance accept the idea of 'stepping down'? I doubt it. We, human nature wise, vied for power. All races does. The quarians are developing something; this is hinted by Xen. When the reapers come, they're getting a seat in the council.

The setup of the Council votes similar to the leage of nation is flawed for many reasons. It failed to maintain peace prior to the Second World War, and votes can generally be overruled by the top-heirarchy by sheer number of influence.