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[cannedcream]

Collider wrote...

Because they've just met aliens. Humanity doesn't know enough, it's not experienced enough. Two people may have the same powerful gun, but if one person was been practicing for far longer, then they are probably the more trustworthy, rather than the person who has just picked it up.

Though I see what you're getting at; 'experienced' and 'trustworthy' are not the same thing.

[Gust4v]

Great chapter Red.

I can't wait for more.

[cannedcream]

mrsph wrote...

Captain: The crew of the Rayya taught you better than this, Tali'Zorah. Get off my ship

Tali: Captain, I-

Captain: Get off my ship.

And let me guess: there's no option to punch him in the throat?

Do we at least get to chew him out? Kyle Shepard does NOT let ANYONE talk to Tali that way.

. . .of course Kyle Shepard also doesn't let Tali get exiled in the first place. . .

[uhdnrt]

RedTracer7 wrote...
If your continued existence can be attributed to a single race, you have to give them more than "accolades".  You need to give them a say in galactic matters.  That is not to say that Shepard's actions alone constitute why Humanity should have a spot on the Council.  In twenty years, Humanity has expanded incredibly quickly.  We are settling in the Traverse, in the Terminus... basically everywhere the Council said they could not control.  We are expanding Council Space, we are protecting the Council itself, we are building a trans-galactic trading network.  In twenty years, we are a match for any xeno-industry, except in biotic amps.

Proof of this?  IIRC, the Turians outman us militarily.  I don't recall the codes stating any of that in game.  If it does, please link it to refresh my memory.

And you forget, it is the Alliance that was granted a seat - not humanity in general.  the Alliance does not speak for all humans, as witnessed by the humans in the Terminus systems.  So you are incorrect.

To deny a massive, growing power is to ask for disaster.  You say that the Council-political position is already a powderkeg.  Well to ignore the burning match that is humanity's inevitable rise is to demand that that powderkeg explode.

I would rather take a simmering resentment over an explosive war when humanity is denied its rightful place in the galaxy.

So you think then that ignoring an already established massive galactic power was a wiser choice.  You forget about (or outright ignore) the batarian Hegemony.  Which left Citadel space, making the Terminus systems larger, because of the Alliance.

Just goes to show how stupid the council actually is.  And simmering resentment?  We already have at least one politician openly campaigning as anti human on the citadel.  After only two years.  How much worse will it be as time goes on.  It is not just simmering resentment.  It is already boiling over into open hostility.

It was a horrible decision, and it made the Citadel Systems weaker for giving humanity/the Alliance a council seat.

[Phil725]

Collider wrote...

I'm sure there's something in the game that mentions it, because again I don't think I'd think it otherwise. Anyway, it stands to reason that a race that had been spread across the galaxy for thousands of years would have larger population than a race that has only been out on the galactic scene for less than 50 years.

What if the asari homeworld is half the size of earth, and only 5 billion asari live there?  Its also at least hinted at that humans are much more intense in their desire to colonize other worlds, including the Terminus.  Velarn even mentions in ME1 that the turians don't settle on the fringes of the Terminus, while the humans clearly do.

I checked the wiki, and no race populations are given, but I don't see how we can assume that the alien populations are larger, moreso, greatly larger than humanity.

Collider wrote...

Because they've just met aliens. Humanity doesn't know enough, it's not experienced enough. Two people may have the same powerful gun, but if one person was been practicing for far longer, then they are probably the more trustworthy, rather than the person who has just picked it up.

That sounds exactly like the new guy bias that I was describing.  Using the gun analogy, both people can use the gun to hit the same target at the same range.  The only reason to not give them the same respect is a bias based on something aside skill, or power/standing in the galaxy as far as the situation is concerned.

Modifié par Phil725, 06 août 2010 - 08:27 .

[Megumeru]

cannedcream wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Captain: The crew of the Rayya taught you better than this, Tali'Zorah. Get off my ship

Tali: Captain, I-

Captain: Get off my ship.

And let me guess: there's no option to punch him in the throat?

Do we at least get to chew him out? Kyle Shepard does NOT let ANYONE talk to Tali that way.

. . .of course Kyle Shepard also doesn't let Tali get exiled in the first place. . .

I prefer grabbing him by the mask, attaching a tube to his respitory system, and breeeeeeeaaaaaaaatth slooooowly. Then let the germs do the talking.

Kill it with bug-bites, as the Quarians say.

[RedTracer7]

cannedcream wrote...

Collider wrote...

Because they've just met aliens. Humanity doesn't know enough, it's not experienced enough. Two people may have the same powerful gun, but if one person was been practicing for far longer, then they are probably the more trustworthy, rather than the person who has just picked it up.

Though I see what you're getting at; 'experienced' and 'trustworthy' are not the same thing.

Its more of the alien have a big gun, and the human having a big gun.  But that human also has a pocketful of gun componenets, just waiting to be assembled.

Sure, a war between the Turians and Humanity would be bad.  Not sure who would win, although at this point in time I would put my money on the turians (if they can politically sustain a nightmarish guerilla campaign).

But we have only been on the stage for 20 years.  Twenty more... and humanity could be a match for any Council Race.  Or all of Council Space combined...

[RedTracer7]

Gust4v wrote...

Great chapter Red.
I can't wait for more.

Thanks!  Will try to cook up the next Chapter a little bit faster than I have been...

[Megumeru]

mrsph wrote...

The Captain explicitly says something about the Admiral's not daring question his judgement on his own ship.

I think they seperate the Admiral and Captain ranks because an Admiral would probably be more busy doing Admiral stuff that affects the whole quarian race rather than his/her crew. While the Captain can focus more on managing the people of his own ship.

Really? I should look into that again for a fourth playthrough with another save...after I managed to get my hands on the firepower pack, that is.

Him standing with the guards gave me the hint he is nothing but a guards captain on board the Rayya or a Marine. The ship itself lies in the hands of the officer with the highest rank/authority - the Admirals. The Admirals held considerable power and responsibility across the entire fleet, but the safety of their flag ship or the orders taken within it, for that matter, is still on top of their list.

[cannedcream]

I'm extremely tried, so I'm going to call it again.



But before I go, please keep it civil and remember that this is the TALI thread, not the political debate thread.



Until tomorrow, keelah se'lai.

[Megumeru]

mrsph wrote...

cannedcream wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Captain: The crew of the Rayya taught you better than this, Tali'Zorah. Get off my ship

Tali: Captain, I-

Captain: Get off my ship.

And let me guess: there's no option to punch him in the throat?

Do we at least get to chew him out? Kyle Shepard does NOT let ANYONE talk to Tali that way.

. . .of course Kyle Shepard also doesn't let Tali get exiled in the first place. . .

You don't even get to talk to him.

Also Raan has a real heartbreaker of a line.

Raan: I cut holes in my suit for you two, and you pissed it all away!

Huh, that makes the paragon or the renegade choice to be the seemingly correct answer...

*edit*
Keelah Se'lai CC.

Modifié par Megumeru, 06 août 2010 - 08:31 .

[uhdnrt]

RedTracer7 wrote...
But we have only been on the stage for 20 years.  Twenty more... and humanity could be a match for any Council Race.  Or all of Council Space combined...

Your bias is showing.  This is not supported in game.  All that is supported is that humanity has leapt ahead of the hanar, the elcor and the volus in Citadel politics.  They are never stated as being able to equal the turians, the salarians, or the asari.  Merely that they are, swiftly, becoming a major presence in the galaxy - not a major force.

The most significant force since the rise of the turians yes.  But the turians have been around a lot longer.

[cannedcream]

mrsph wrote...


You don't even get to talk to him.

Also Raan has a real heartbreaker of a line.

Raan: I cut holes in my suit for you two, and you pissed it all away!

Aw, **** em.

Tali is all that really matters. And if the Admiralty Board doesn't like it they can go to hell.


Great and now I'm going to bed pissed off.
Aweeeeeesome.

[uhdnrt]

RedTracer7 wrote...
Thanks!  Will try to cook up the next Chapter a little bit faster than I have been...

Write faster dammitall.  Chapter 4 was excellent - hell I am liking all of beneath the veil (not so much the other one...).

[RedTracer7]

uhdnrt wrote...

Proof of this?  IIRC, the Turians outman us militarily.  I don't recall the codes stating any of that in game.  If it does, please link it to refresh my memory.

And you forget, it is the Alliance that was granted a seat - not humanity in general.  the Alliance does not speak for all humans, as witnessed by the humans in the Terminus systems.  So you are incorrect.

Military Weapons: Hahne-Kedar

Armor: Rosenkov Materials (Noted as the PREMIER armor manufacturer in Council Space)
             Kass Fabrication: Maker of Colossus Armor

Energy and Heavy Manufactering: Eldfell-Ashland

Colonial Expansion/R&D: ExoGeni  (Only Corporation so far large enough to have their OWN security division)

All are human.  All are the leaders/as good as the alien firms in their division.

Just goes to show how stupid the council actually is.  And simmering resentment?  We already have at least one politician openly campaigning as anti human on the citadel.  After only two years.  How much worse will it be as time goes on.  It is not just simmering resentment.  It is already boiling over into open hostility.

It was a horrible decision, and it made the Citadel Systems weaker for giving humanity/the Alliance a council seat.

Of course your going to have crackpots come out of the woodwork, as humanity rises.  Its called Conservative Politics, and the Turians have been noted as being especially conservative.  As long as the resentment pops up slowly, we can deal with it.  Smash it down.

Modifié par RedTracer7, 06 août 2010 - 08:36 .

[uhdnrt]

cannedcream wrote...

I'm extremely tried, so I'm going to call it again.

But before I go, please keep it civil and remember that this is the TALI thread, not the political debate thread.

Until tomorrow, keelah se'lai.

Uh, we are keeping it civil CC.  Just because Red and I disagree, emphatically, about some things doesn't mean we don't get along.

[Megumeru]

uhdnrt wrote...

RedTracer7 wrote...
But we have only been on the stage for 20 years.  Twenty more... and humanity could be a match for any Council Race.  Or all of Council Space combined...

Your bias is showing.  This is not supported in game.  All that is supported is that humanity has leapt ahead of the hanar, the elcor and the volus in Citadel politics.  They are never stated as being able to equal the turians, the salarians, or the asari.  Merely that they are, swiftly, becoming a major presence in the galaxy - not a major force.

The most significant force since the rise of the turians yes.  But the turians have been around a lot longer.

The humans doesn't have the technological advantage the Turians have or the brute force the Krogan has.

What we don't have, is compensated by our adaptibility, intelligence, and versatility in combat so yes, I hate to admit it, but I have to agree that we can be more than a match against all the council races combined.

...that is, assuming the Alliance has enough manpower to sustain long conflicts.

[RedTracer7]

uhdnrt wrote...

And you forget, it is the Alliance that was granted a seat - not humanity in general.  the Alliance does not speak for all humans, as witnessed by the humans in the Terminus systems.  So you are incorrect.

The Alliance is not "officially" in the Terminus because the Council has been too timid to expand there.  We saw how afraid they were of starting a minor conflict... to the point that they wouldn't even allow JUST the Normandy to head into it in ME1.

[RedTracer7]

uhdnrt wrote...

Uh, we are keeping it civil CC.  Just because Red and I disagree, emphatically, about some things doesn't mean we don't get along.

Indeed.

[RedTracer7]

Aihwa wrote...

Alright, so I finally got around to playing the Overlord DLC, I was told there was extra Tali stuffz. I could not find it.

What did I do wrong?

No real Tali stuff.  No VA work, if thats what you mean.

[Phil725]

Aihwa wrote...

Alright, so I finally got around to playing the Overlord DLC, I was told there was extra Tali stuffz. I could not find it.

What did I do wrong?

Nothing Tali related except a gif of her blowing the head off of Loki mech I believe