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[Mobius_118]

DarkwanderStorm wrote...

hey uhdnrt, here's an idea for a story story tali learning how to swim

I like that idea...something about her physique tells me she isn't very buoyant, dense muscle tissue and all. But it'd be funny to see her try in a scenario that wouldn't involve drowning or sharks.

[OrbitalWings]

Line-art WIP you guys may appreciate...

[Dr_StrangeLove]

Skadhi1 wrote...

Welcome, MS-06 Zaku II !

You make some good points, and I certainly hope you're correct. It seems like good business to keep Tali as a squadmate and LI.

But you mention HK-47. In my opinion, the KOTOR version of HK-47 was far, far superior to the one in KOTOR II. I hope they don't follow that path with Tali.

HK mocking the KOTOR companions in KOTORII trumps anything he says in KOTOR (imo)

the way they setup Tali (and Garrus)  thru out the games LI or not as friends to the end type, anything else than full squadmate status would be illogical (imo)

[nitefyre410]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Line-art WIP you guys may appreciate...

 

Thats  awesome,  can I hold on it to for color practice in  Gimp...  you'll get full credit  of course.. 

[OrbitalWings]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Line-art WIP you guys may appreciate...

 

Thats  awesome,  can I hold on it to for color practice in  Gimp...  you'll get full credit  of course.. 

Hehe, if you really want. Wouldn't you prefer to wait for at least the finished lines? At the moment she's missing her belt and has no feet

[Mobius_118]

Dr_StrangeLove wrote...

Skadhi1 wrote...

Welcome, MS-06 Zaku II !

You make some good points, and I certainly hope you're correct. It seems like good business to keep Tali as a squadmate and LI.

But you mention HK-47. In my opinion, the KOTOR version of HK-47 was far, far superior to the one in KOTOR II. I hope they don't follow that path with Tali.

HK mocking the KOTOR companions in KOTORII trumps anything he says in KOTOR (imo)

the way they setup Tali (and Garrus)  thru out the games LI or not as friends to the end type, anything else than full squadmate status would be illogical (imo)

I'll share with you my jaded perspective: Bioware will do what they will, and no amount of adoring fandom will change their final decision.

Couple this with my slowly dying optimistic side: Bioware also has extremely talented people. They hopefully know what the fans want and will deliver something incredible, and it will dominate my computer for years to come.

Taking out Tali, Garrus, or any other squadmate for dumb reasons will not bode well for sales. They know it, so I think we'll see Tali as a continued LI in 3.

[nitefyre410]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Line-art WIP you guys may appreciate...

 

Thats  awesome,  can I hold on it to for color practice in  Gimp...  you'll get full credit  of course.. 

Hehe, if you really want. Wouldn't you prefer to wait for at least the finished lines? At the moment she's missing her belt and has no feet

 

Oh course but I wanted to asked first..  

[MS-06 Zaku II]

Skadhi1 wrote...

Welcome, MS-06 Zaku II !

You make some good points, and I certainly hope you're correct. It seems like good business to keep Tali as a squadmate and LI.

But you mention HK-47. In my opinion, the KOTOR version of HK-47 was far, far superior to the one in KOTOR II. I hope they don't follow that path with Tali.

Thanks for the welcome!

Well I hope I'm correct too! If Tali'Zorah doesn't show... I think I'll cry... 

Speaking of HK-47 being different in quality in the first and second KotOR's, I do agree, he does make a lot more funnies in the first installment, but giving thought to it, Bioware pretty much told Obsidion to put ol' HK along with other fan-loved presents into the game because they wanted them to please the fans while they were gone working on their next project that was deemed a more important next step (Jade Empire), but the fact that Bioware turned the reins of what they created with Lucasarts over to Obsidian is probably the best explanation as to why quality suffered, Obsidian is good (they were formed by the guys who made the first two Fallouts after all) but they are just different when it comes to how much they concentrate on character development and story, I think to them that the setting and environment is whats most important, and it shows in KotOR II in locales like Onderon, Duxun, Nar Shadaa, and Telos.

But with Bioware doing the Mass Effect series from beginning to end without ditching if for some other project (which they really could have done in the case of their new MMO Star Wars: The Old Republic), I and many others highly doubt that the quality of Tali's character, dialogue, and romance will go south.

We're all here mostly because we're just worried about getting her into the darn game with romance option intact!

[Thundertactics]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Line-art WIP you guys may appreciate...

-snip-

The cleavage looks rather... Extreme.

[Leftnt Sharpe]

Skadhi1 wrote...

uhdnrt wrote...

Council Races: asari, batarians, salarians, turians (2 votes each)
Secondary Races: drell, elcor, geth, hanar, human, krogan, quarian, volus (1 vote each)

Yes, humanity would end up "demoted". Why? For galactic unity. Batarians, from what I understand, are one of the most powerful races, and the driving force of the Terminus systems. I would like to see humanity step down, willingly, so that they non-council races can actually influence galactic politics.

The suggestion of such a policy should be great for Cerberus.  That fine organization would have donors and recruits lined up.  And rightly so.

The Batarians?  Oh good grief.

Cerberus and Admiral Xen, protect us!

Also there are a lot more secondary Races that we don't even hear about/encounter.

[nitefyre410]

Kira Shepard wrote...

I just had the wierdest urge just now to do a one shot about manipulative renegade shepard/tali with the main guideline coming from the quote "Admiration is the state furthest away from understanding". I think I'm a bad person...

  

NO!   You are not a bad person that  is called creativity.  Renegade  Shep is not a nice guy and would manipulate  Tali just for the fun of it.  It would a interesting look at  darker not so fluffy, cute and cuddly side of the romance. How happily ever after  can  go wrong.  I say write it, see how it comes out. Don't be  afraid to write  something just because how people would react. Never sacrifice you creativity for comfort of other people. You do  that and you sell yourself short as a writer   

*Steps down from soap box* 

[OrbitalWings]

Thundertactics wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Line-art WIP you guys may appreciate...

-snip-

The cleavage looks rather... Extreme.

Yeah, this is the problem with my line-art. Because my art is actually lineless when finished, some lines that I put in to indicate subtle shading look like full-blown creases.

Don't worry, she's not going to be huge in the finished pic

[Thundertactics]

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

Also there are a lot more secondary Races that we don't even hear about/encounter.

Like those avian sapients mentioned in the Cerberus Network when the game was just released, the raloi.

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Yeah, this is the problem with
my line-art. Because my art is actually lineless when finished, some
lines that I put in to indicate subtle shading look like full-blown
creases.

Don't worry, she's not going to be huge in the finished pic [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

And all is right in the world.
May I say that I'm a huge fan of your Beneath the Veil pic?

Modifié par Thundertactics, 06 août 2010 - 02:15 .

[nitefyre410]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Thundertactics wrote...

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Line-art WIP you guys may appreciate...

-snip-

The cleavage looks rather... Extreme.

Yeah, this is the problem with my line-art. Because my art is actually lineless when finished, some lines that I put in to indicate subtle shading look like full-blown creases.

Don't worry, she's not going to be huge in the finished pic

 


Huh? There is nothing extreme about the cleavage  looks about on average to me.  

[Thundertactics]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Huh? There is nothing extreme about the cleavage  looks about on average to me.  

Cleavage, the cleft in between her funny bumps.
Which is pretty much non-existant/invisible with her suit on but clearly outlined in this line-art.

[Leftnt Sharpe]

Thundertactics wrote...

Leftnt Sharpe wrote...

Also there are a lot more secondary Races that we don't even hear about/encounter.

Like those avian sapients mentioned in the Cerberus Network when the game was just released, the raloi.

Exactly. I seem to remember reading in Revalations that there are a around a dozen minor races lliving on the Citadel. I imagine that the turians have more than one client race too.

[OrbitalWings]

Thundertactics wrote...

And all is right in the world.
May I say that I'm a huge fan of your Beneath the Veil pic?

Hehe, thanks. I really do enjoy drawing Tali and quarians in general. Even my mother commented that the suits are beautiful.

[nitefyre410]

Thundertactics wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Huh? There is nothing extreme about the cleavage  looks about on average to me.  

Cleavage, the cleft in between her funny bumps.
Which is pretty much non-existant/invisible with her suit on but clearly outlined in this line-art.

 


I would come up with a  counter argument i can because of the  Turian sound clip  about funny bumps has me  ROTFL 

[MS-06 Zaku II]

[quote]Calinstel wrote...
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The fact that the scene from ME2 was the defining moment in their relationship demanded that her face be shown to the player as in the game you are Shepard.  Any future showing of her face will be anticlimatic and IMHO ill conceived.  Even if they show them on Rannoch at the end with a slowly setting sun, seeing her face then should have been there she is again and not 'Well, would you look at that? Those idiots finally show us.'[/quote]
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Hmm... Well I never heard an argument touching on that sort of thing, all I heard of was those who think that the mask is what keeps her so mysterious and interesting, but there was this one time that I showed a counterpoint to that saying that there are a whole bunch of characters who hide their identity and then show it either because they are forced to or they trust someone with the knowledge, yet the character itself is still just as interesting because of who they are, and perhaps how they change because they reveal a part of themselves.

For you though, you pose a very good and tough arguement, to that I pose this counterpoint, one with a familiar character who is also behind a mask;

A defining moment of any given story or relationship within a story is not always limited to one instance, it could sometimes be two, maybe three, when Luke got his hand chopped off by Darth Vader and it was revealed that he was his father, it was considered the "defining moment" in the entire original Star Wars trilogy, everybody knows it, everybody remembers it, it's what made the ending to The Empire Strikes Back so good, but as Luke confronts the truth of Vader being his father more openly in Return of the Jedi, the entire personality of both characters is conflicted, Vader wanting so badly to be a part of the Light Side for his son, but feels that he is too far gone, and Luke growing into a mature and wise Jedi Master, the crowning moment of this change that a lot of fans remember is when after Vader kills the Emperor, he asks Luke to take off his mask so he can see his son with his own eyes before he passes away, and slowly Luke takes the mask off peice by peice until the two are silent looking at one another, Vader finally feels true happiness after all his years of being a Sith Lord by being able to look upon his own son like a true father, and Luke is amazed at just how damaging the path of the Dark Side was to Vader by looking at his pale visage and his scars, but to see that Vader regained the pureness of his soul by the symbolism of of his original blue eyes when he was Anakin Skywalker is a great consolation, Luke has, in essence, saved Darth Vader's soul, a very powerful moment at least to me, so while not the same character because he was redeemed and changed, Darth Vader is still one of the most fascinating characters in the world of science-fiction, even though his character changed morality at the last moment and we know what he looks like under the mask.

I hope that I posed at least a good point in that "defining and powerful moments" can happen more than once!

Modifié par MS-06 Zaku II, 06 août 2010 - 02:59 .

[Mobius_118]

Lets just hope that the defining moment, when you see her face, doesn't involve her bleeding out in your arms.



That would just be depressing, and would sour the mood. Then I'd go happily kill everything.

[FsDxRAGE]

morning friends

[FsDxRAGE]

Mobius_118 wrote...

Lets just hope that the defining moment, when you see her face, doesn't involve her bleeding out in your arms.

That would just be depressing, and would sour the mood. Then I'd go happily kill everything.

indeed. I want it to be a happy/romantic moment.... and I want to see her cute smile

[nitefyre410]

Mobius_118 wrote...

Lets just hope that the defining moment, when you see her face, doesn't involve her bleeding out in your arms.

That would just be depressing, and would sour the mood. Then I'd go happily kill everything.

 


ya'll keep pushing the issue and Bioware might just pull what the creator of  Evangelion  pulled  and just do that out of spite