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[quote]MS-06 Zaku II wrote...

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The fact that the scene from ME2 was the defining moment in their relationship demanded that her face be shown to the player as in the game you are Shepard.  Any future showing of her face will be anticlimatic and IMHO ill conceived.  Even if they show them on Rannoch at the end with a slowly setting sun, seeing her face then should have been there she is again and not 'Well, would you look at that? Those idiots finally show us.'[/quote]

Hmm... Well I never heard an argument touching on that sort of thing, all I heard of was those who think that the mask is what keeps her so mysterious and interesting, but there was this one time that I showed a counterpoint to that saying that there are a whole bunch of characters who hide their identity and then show it either because they are forced to or they trust someone with the knowledge, yet the character itself is still just as interesting because of who they are, and perhaps how they change because they reveal a part of themselves.

For you though, you pose a very good and tough arguement, to that I pose this counterpoint, one with a familiar character who is also behind a mask;

A defining moment of any given story or relationship within a story is not always limited to one instance, it could sometimes be two, maybe three, when Luke got his hand chopped off by Darth Vader and it was revealed that he was his father, it was considered the "defining moment" in the entire original Star Wars trilogy, everybody knows it, everybody remembers it, it's what made the ending to The Empire Strikes Back so good, but as Luke confronts the truth of Vader being his father more openly in Return of the Jedi, the entire personality of both characters is conflicted, Vader wanting so badly to be a part of the Light Side for his son, but feels that he is too far gone, and Luke growing into a mature and wise Jedi Master, the crowning moment of this change that a lot of fans remember is when after Vader kills the Emperor, he asks Luke to take off his mask so he can see his son with his own eyes before he passes away, and slowly Luke takes the mask off peice by peice until the two are silent looking at one another, Vader finally feels true happiness after all his years of being a Sith Lord by being able to look upon his own son like a true father, and Luke is amazed at just how damaging the path of the Dark Side was to Vader by looking at his pale visage and his scars, but to see that Vader regained the pureness of his soul by the symbolism of of his original blue eyes when he was Anakin Skywalker is a great consolation, Luke has, in essence, saved Darth Vader's soul, a very powerful moment at least to me, so while not the same character because he was redeemed and changed, Darth Vader is still one of the most fascinating characters in the world of science-fiction, even though his character changed morality at the last moment and we know what he looks like under the mask.

I hope that I posed at least a good point in that "defining and powerful moments" can happen more than once! Posted Image
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Your argument for Darth is good but not the same as with Tali I feel.
The entire reason, the only reason, for Tali or any quarian wearing a visor is their own safety
At that one instance in time Tali decided that living without knowing the feel of Shepards skin, of knowing what it felt like to have him touch her was something she could accept.  She gave up her own safety to do that.  Nothing can be stronger than that one instance no matter how they pull a rabbit out of their arses.  They did not show her face solely to force us to buy ME3 and that is unacceptable.  Again, IMHO.

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mrsph wrote...

Someone needs to ask Tali what she looks like...and then she knocks that person out with her awesome right hook.


Actually, I'd think she'd give a vicious kick with one of dem legs.

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MS-06 Zaku II wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

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I hope that I posed at least a good point in that "defining and powerful moments" can happen more than once!


I pretty much agree wih this, imo

Modifié par FsDxRAGE, 06 août 2010 - 03:01 .


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Mobius_118 wrote...

Lets just hope that the defining moment, when you see her face, doesn't involve her bleeding out in your arms.

That would just be depressing, and would sour the mood. Then I'd go happily kill everything.


The second she dies, I will find and kill the one who did it.

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mrsph wrote...

Someone needs to ask Tali what she looks like...and then she knocks that person out with her awesome right hook.

I have no doubt Joker asked her at some point during ME1, her response being shock at first, then following with:
"That's uh, kind of, uhm, private."
Then Joker asking why, and her going into codex-mode and proceeding to elaborate the value quarians put in showing someone else their face. Possibly ending with her stating she's never shown her face to anyone since she received her first suit.

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killing Tali would mean the death of BioWare... literally

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Mobius_118 wrote...

Actually, I'd think she'd give a vicious kick with one of dem legs.


No. Because that would kill a man!

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mrsph wrote...

Mobius_118 wrote...

Actually, I'd think she'd give a vicious kick with one of dem legs.


No. Because that would kill a man!

it would be like getting kicked by a horse :lol:

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I'm not saying it wouldn't suck, but it'd be the penultimate reason for shoving some Thanix up a Reaper's exhaust port and shooting till it goes click...Holding TIM under the water till the bubbles stop.



Know what I mean?

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

killing Tali would mean the death of BioWare... literally


Recommend orbital bombardment.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 06 août 2010 - 03:07 .


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mrsph wrote...

No. Because that would kill a man!

Yeah, I'm thinking something along the lines of those District 9 aliens; grabbing someone's arm, kicking him in the chest, sending his body flying, minus the aforementioned arm. >_>

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Mobius_118 wrote...

Actually, I'd think she'd give a vicious kick with one of dem legs.


No. Because that would kill a man!

it would be like getting kicked by a horse :lol:


It would leave her footprint stamped into that unfortunate person's chest.

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Mobius_118 wrote...

I'm not saying it wouldn't suck, but it'd be the penultimate reason for shoving some Thanix up a Reaper's exhaust port and shooting till it goes click...Holding TIM under the water till the bubbles stop.

Know what I mean?

i Like the second part, it has weight

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FsDxRAGE wrote...


it would be like getting kicked by a horse :lol:

I've been kicked by a horse.

It hurt. a lot.

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Thundertactics wrote...

mrsph wrote...

No. Because that would kill a man!

Yeah, I'm thinking something along the lines of those District 9 aliens; grabbing someone's arm, kicking him in the chest, sending his body flying, minus the aforementioned arm. >_>

:lol:
this makes glorious images

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mrsph wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...


it would be like getting kicked by a horse :lol:

I've been kicked by a horse.

It hurt. a lot.

that is why you pat its bum and stay close to it, lol

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

Mobius_118 wrote...

Lets just hope that the defining moment, when you see her face, doesn't involve her bleeding out in your arms.

That would just be depressing, and would sour the mood. Then I'd go happily kill everything.

indeed. I want it to be a happy/romantic moment.... and I want to see her cute smile ^_^


Note to self;

Idea to promote to push forward to Bioware: Two endings to romances.

"Good" Romance Ending With Tali: Tali and Shepard are sitting together holding hands, it's a happy, adorable, "d'awwww" moment where her face is shown and she smiles sweetly before she kisses Shepard.

"Bad" Romance Ending With Tali: Tali and Shepard are in the heat of the final battle, Tali get's hit in the mask and chest and falls in Shepard's arms. Her face revealed, Shepard removes the broken glass mask to make Tali's final moments more confortable, they look longingly into each other's eyes as if to say "I love you" but then Tali breaths her dying breath and passes in his arms. Shepard, devestated by the loss, screams so loudly the music and sound effects go silent as he goes beserk across the battlefield killing as many reapers as he can before he himself out of pure agony looses focus and is overwhelmed by enemy fire and falls to his knees, he then crawls to Tali's corpse and cries on top of her body as he too dies in Tali's arms, a bittersweet ending to the couple.

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FsDxRAGE wrote...

killing Tali would mean the death of BioWare... literally

  

Depends on how the did it... If they did something heroic, romantic that really drove home the bond that her shephard share.   a Love  that conquers even death I could live with, that has meaning and emotional impact.  

IF the go the  Square route or the JK Rowlings  lets kill her because  we need something dramatic to happen and deaths always make drama... 

Then I will unleash the hounds of Hell,  the Dogs of War, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse upon them.. 

It would be  Biblical 

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Depends on how the did it... If they did something heroic, romantic that really drove home the bond that her shephard share.   a Love  that conquers even death I could live with, that has meaning and emotional impact.  

IF the go the  Square route or the JK Rowlings  lets kill her because  we need something dramatic to happen and deaths always make drama... 

Then I will unleash the hounds of Hell,  the Dogs of War, the Horsemen of the Apocalypse upon them.. 

It would be  Biblical 


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An romance ending where Tali dies, is not a bad thing.



It's a Critical Mission Failure.

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i still wouldnt want her to die, regardless of wether it was a heroic/romantic death


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MS-06 Zaku II wrote...

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Mobius_118 wrote...

Lets just hope that the defining moment, when you see her face, doesn't involve her bleeding out in your arms.

That would just be depressing, and would sour the mood. Then I'd go happily kill everything.

indeed. I want it to be a happy/romantic moment.... and I want to see her cute smile ^_^


Note to self;

Idea to promote to push forward to Bioware: Two endings to romances.

"Good" Romance Ending With Tali: Tali and Shepard are sitting together holding hands, it's a happy, adorable, "d'awwww" moment where her face is shown and she smiles sweetly before she kisses Shepard.

"Bad" Romance Ending With Tali: Tali and Shepard are in the heat of the final battle, Tali get's hit in the mask and chest and falls in Shepard's arms. Her face revealed, Shepard removes the broken glass mask to make Tali's final moments more confortable, they look longingly into each other's eyes as if to say "I love you" but then Tali breaths her dying breath and passes in his arms. Shepard, devestated by the loss, screams so loudly the music and sound effects go silent as he goes beserk across the battlefield killing as many reapers as he can before he himself out of pure agony looses focus and is overwhelmed by enemy fire and falls to his knees, he then crawls to Tali's corpse and cries on top of her body as he too dies in Tali's arms, a bittersweet ending to the couple.

Hmmm, maybe I should take up writing... Or not, I make myself sad! Posted Image

 

Hey check your inbox I'm going to pm  you make take on  the bad romance ending.. or more so bittersweet ending. 

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When the death of Tali becomes an acceptable topic of discussion in a TALI SUPPORT thread then I find I will have to depart for more respectable pastures.

Modifié par Calinstel, 06 août 2010 - 03:15 .


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Hi guys :D

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Calinstel wrote...

When the death of Tali becomes an acceptable topic of discussion in a TALI SUPPORT thread then I find I will have to depart for more respectable pastures.

Indeed, I still have to read RT's Beneath the Veil chap. 4.
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