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[Someone With Mass]

How is getting them all killed difficult? Just skip everyone's loyalty missions, assign them to the wrong things and don't get any ship upgrades.

Is that supposed to be hard?

And while we're at it, what the f**k do you gain by doing all this? The right to brag about succeeding in getting the whole team killed? Wow...

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Modifié par Someone With Mass, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:12 .

[TTTX]

jtav wrote...

I kill Tali fairly often. She, Legion, and Mordin are the characters who have the most potential for impact on the game world, which means their loss should matter more than, say, Jack's.

Tali, Mordin and Jack is the weakest characters when it comes to holding the line at the end.

but I have to agree with this from a logical point of view.

[NuclearBuddha]

Someone With Mass wrote...
And while we're at it, what the f**k do you gain by doing all this? The right to brag about succeeding in getting the whole team killed? Wow...

I guess it's something to do if you're heartless and bored.  Or curious to a disturbing degree.

(Also:  RP GTFO!)

[Pacifien]

Someone With Mass wrote...
How is getting them all killed difficult? Just skip everyone's loyalty missions, assign them to the wrong things and don't get any ship upgrades.

Is that supposed to be hard?

And while we're at it, what the f**k do you gain by doing all this? The right to brag about succeeding in getting the whole team killed? Wow...

Hey, one of my imports for ME3 is purposely a worst playthrough ever. I'm not saying it's everyone's cup of tea.

Anyway, the only way to get all 12 squadmates killed is if you send one as an escort. Up to five squadmates could be loyal and still achieve this. And yes, you do have to kill certain squadmates in a particular order as well as leave a particular group to hold the line to achieve this.

[Water Dumple]

It's definitely possible to get the entire ordinary team killed, but you almost have to plan it out.

Vid

He actually does this with Zaeed, so you probably need every single character to have no chance at failing. This is his kill list by the end:

1. Jack dead: Lasered by the Oculus.
2. Legion: Electrocution from the power core.
3. Thane: Crushed by a Normandy beam.
4. Jacob: Volunteered for suicide and died to a rocket to the face.
5. Samara: Died escorting the crew back.
6. Grunt: Swept away by insects
7. Miranda: Dead after final boss.
8. Garrus: Dead after final boss.
9. Mordin: Couldn't hold the line.
10. Zaeed: Died with Mordin watching the back.
11. Tali: Bullet to the chest.

Modifié par Water Dumple, 29 juillet 2010 - 04:18 .

[TTTX]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

why do i bother
*snip*

because it's in your nature.

oh nice pic.

[NuclearBuddha]

jtav wrote...
I kill Tali fairly often. She, Legion, and Mordin are the characters who have the most potential for impact on the game world, which means their loss should matter more than, say, Jack's.

I've sometimes wondered what kind of fresh material Jack might get to keep her important in ME3.  Tali's trajectory seems much easier to speculate on in that regard.

[Water Dumple]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

jtav wrote...
I kill Tali fairly often. She, Legion, and Mordin are the characters who have the most potential for impact on the game world, which means their loss should matter more than, say, Jack's.

I've sometimes wondered what kind of fresh material Jack might get to keep her important in ME3.  Tali's trajectory seems much easier to speculate on in that regard.

Maybe this is just personal bias, but I think that's because Tali is a much better developed character than Jack. :/

[Kalashnikov]

Pacifien wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
How is getting them all killed difficult? Just skip everyone's loyalty missions, assign them to the wrong things and don't get any ship upgrades.

Is that supposed to be hard?

And while we're at it, what the f**k do you gain by doing all this? The right to brag about succeeding in getting the whole team killed? Wow...

Hey, one of my imports for ME3 is purposely a worst playthrough ever. I'm not saying it's everyone's cup of tea.

Anyway, the only way to get all 12 squadmates killed is if you send one as an escort. Up to five squadmates could be loyal and still achieve this. And yes, you do have to kill certain squadmates in a particular order as well as leave a particular group to hold the line to achieve this.

why would you want to even do that? the suicide mission is emotional and epic already why do you want to make it more jarring? <_<
also cheers to 50 pages

[xI extremist Ix]

What do you guys feel is the better choice for fanfiction. I am at a specific part in the story and I can't decide which path to choose.



Tali frees Shepard from a detainment room on a quarian ship, and later sees his shuttle shot down over a planet.



or...



Tali is forced to watch as the quarians shoot at Shepard's shuttle, she pulls a knife on the Captain.

[NuclearBuddha]

Water Dumple wrote...
Maybe this is just personal bias, but I think that's because Tali is a much better developed character than Jack. :/

I dunno about that (I really like Jack, though she's obviously not my favorite), but Tali definitely seems more involved in what appears to be the main subplots of the story.

[TTTX]

Someone With Mass wrote...

How is getting them all killed difficult? Just skip everyone's loyalty missions, assign them to the wrong things and don't get any ship upgrades.

Is that supposed to be hard?

And while we're at it, what the f**k do you gain by doing all this? The right to brag about succeeding in getting the whole team killed? Wow...

and this save does not go over in ME3 so it's illogical to do so.

ecpasaly when you have to kill the best looking quarian on the galaxy.

[NuclearBuddha]

xI extremist Ix wrote...
What do you guys feel is the better choice for fanfiction. I am at a specific part in the story and I can't decide which path to choose.

Tali frees Shepard from a detainment room on a quarian ship, and later sees his shuttle shot down over a planet.

or...

Tali is forced to watch as the quarians shoot at Shepard's shuttle, she pulls a knife on the Captain.

I'd have to know more context.  Is the fic more about her confronting her alienation from the Flotilla?  If so, option 2 would be better.  Otherwise, they seem roughly equivalent in terms of drama without knowing more context.

[TTTX]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

Tali is forced to watch as the quarians shoot at Shepard's shuttle, she pulls a knife on the Captain.

if I have to chose, this one.

[jtav]

As for why some players deliberately kill people:



1. It's a suicide mission. It feels a little cheap that it's so easy to bring absolutely everyone through alive.

2. See how the characters' presence or absence affects ME3.

3. I like the ending with the coffins better.

[Pacifien]

Kalashnikov wrote...
why would you want to even do that? the suicide mission is emotional and epic already why do you want to make it more jarring? <_<

All of my playthroughs were 100% survival rates until I started doing research on how every aspect of the suicide mission worked, because so many people wanted specific outcomes. You kill squadmates a few hundred times, I'd say that desensitizes you.

I found the distinctly different feel of the Citadel and Tuchanka based on your decisions from the first game were interesting to experience. I'd do the same for ME3.

[Kalashnikov]

jtav wrote...

As for why some players deliberately kill people:

1. It's a suicide mission. It feels a little cheap that it's so easy to bring absolutely everyone through alive.
2. See how the characters' presence or absence affects ME3.
3. I like the ending with the coffins better.

sadist <_<

[nitefyre410]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

What do you guys feel is the better choice for fanfiction. I am at a specific part in the story and I can't decide which path to choose.

Tali frees Shepard from a detainment room on a quarian ship, and later sees his shuttle shot down over a planet.

or...

Tali is forced to watch as the quarians shoot at Shepard's shuttle, she pulls a knife on the Captain.

  

This like, you can really get inside her head as makes the choice of Shepherd over her people 

[Water Dumple]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...
Maybe this is just personal bias, but I think that's because Tali is a much better developed character than Jack. :/

I dunno about that (I really like Jack, though she's obviously not my favorite), but Tali definitely seems more involved in what appears to be the main subplots of the story.

Jack just always seemed too...morbidly insane for me. It's like almost every other line of hers is part of a hate rant about some thing or another, and if you side with Miranda in the confrontation, she doesn't even talk to you anymore and just says FAK AWF MAN (even if you Paragon her loyalty back). I really didn't see the development behind her, even a good distance down the romance.

Also, I find it very odd that Shepard has no qualms with using a life-sentenced convict. If the dialogue had been there, I would have had Shepard refuse to recruit Jack for all the laws she broke. I held up the law in any dialogue I could, but you get remarkably little decision in that mission.

[Kalashnikov]

Water Dumple wrote...

NuclearBuddha wrote...

Water Dumple wrote...
Maybe this is just personal bias, but I think that's because Tali is a much better developed character than Jack. :/

I dunno about that (I really like Jack, though she's obviously not my favorite), but Tali definitely seems more involved in what appears to be the main subplots of the story.

Jack just always seemed too...morbidly insane for me. It's like almost every other line of hers is part of a hate rant about some thing or another, and if you side with Miranda in the confrontation, she doesn't even talk to you anymore and just says FAK AWF MAN (even if you Paragon her loyalty back). I really didn't see the development behind her, even a good distance down the romance.

Also, I find it very odd that Shepard has no qualms with using a life-sentenced convict. If the dialogue had been there, I would have had Shepard refuse to recruit Jack for all the laws she broke. I held up the law in any dialogue I could, but you get remarkably little decision in that mission.

i think she was recruited for her biotic skills, in a mission to "save the galaxy" anyone from any background with the right skills should and would be recruited

[Pacifien]

TTTX wrote...
and this save does not go over in ME3 so it's illogical to do so.

ecpasaly when you have to kill the best looking quarian on the galaxy.

Someone has an everyone dies save ready to import to see how badly it breaks the next game. Wouldn't be surprised if they pulled a DA:O/Awakenings retcon either.

I like Tali, but her presence is not mandatory for me to find enjoyment in the game. But I already have several everyone lives imports, so I have that luxury to play around now.

[NuclearBuddha]

jtav wrote...
3. I like the ending with the coffins better.

I'm just soft-hearted as hell I guess.  I can't get around how there has to be (fictional) people in those coffins.

[TTTX]

jtav wrote...

As for why some players deliberately kill people:

1. It's a suicide mission. It feels a little cheap that it's so easy to bring absolutely everyone through alive.
2. See how the characters' presence or absence affects ME3.
3. I like the ending with the coffins better.

1, I like to beat the odds.

2. thats what youtube is for.

3. seen enough death in real life, do not need it her too.

[xI extremist Ix]

NuclearBuddha wrote...

xI extremist Ix wrote...
What do you guys feel is the better choice for fanfiction. I am at a specific part in the story and I can't decide which path to choose.

Tali frees Shepard from a detainment room on a quarian ship, and later sees his shuttle shot down over a planet.

or...

Tali is forced to watch as the quarians shoot at Shepard's shuttle, she pulls a knife on the Captain.

I'd have to know more context.  Is the fic more about her confronting her alienation from the Flotilla?  If so, option 2 would be better.  Otherwise, they seem roughly equivalent in terms of drama without knowing more context.

In my fanfiction relationships outside of the quarian species is an offense to their people and Tali and Shepard's relationship is exposed.

[Pacifien]

Kalashnikov wrote...
i think she was recruited for her biotic skills, in a mission to "save the galaxy" anyone from any background with the right skills should and would be recruited

I like to think the Illusive Man purposely picked various dossiers that gave you people with similar skills but different ways of using them. Jack and Samara are very powerful biotics, but they use their biotics differently. Tali, Legion, and Kasumi are all techs, but different kinds of techs. Tali is more a mechanic and Kasumi is more of a hacker, for instance. I even think Okeer was supposed to be a very specific counterpart to Mordin's approach to science.

For an unknown mission, cover all your bases. Even though, in the end, any tech or biotic would do for the job.